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Model Forum / Radio Controlled / Air Models / February 2009I love RealFlight G4
In the two months since I have owned RealFlight G4, my flying skills have doubled. I know that RealFlight improves actual flying skills because I also fly indoors on Sundays. I can see the improvements every week. I am also very pleased that my helicopter hover skills are improving so much that it looks like I will eventually be good at flying helicopters. My initial skills were so bad it looked like I was never going to get it. One more thing that I like about RealFlight G4, I found the actual plane that I fly in the Summer (GWS Slow Stick) (on KnifeEdge swap pages) and this plane flies exactly and precisely like my real plane. It even has the weird three foot of vertical then stall and recover that my Slow Stick has. I initially thought that $200 was way too much to pay, but, I am now sure that it was well worth the cost. Not only is it a lot of fun, I am sure that I am saving a lot of money in prevented crashes as my skills greatly imrpove. *** NOTE *** The actual RealFlight simulator flies much better than the free download. The biggest issue with the free download is that the keyboard does not provide nearly the same degree of precise control that the InterLink box does. >In the two months since I have owned RealFlight G4, my >flying skills have doubled. ... Thanks for the review, I like it, too. You should be on G4.5 by now if you have enabled updating ... Marty  SignatureBig-8 newsgroups: humanities.*, misc.*, news.*, rec.*, sci.*, soc.*, talk.* See http://www.big-8.org for info on how to add or remove newsgroups. > You should be on G4.5 by now if you have enabled > updating ... I find G4.5 to be less smooth especially after takeoff. I keep trying it and end up downgrading to G4 each time. I have the recommended hardware but even the kiosk unit (supplied by RealFlight) at the local hobby shop is choppy with 4.5 Signaturem-m http://www.mhmyers.com > In article > <L7KdnaCkAd5mDQbUnZ2dnUVZ_gOWnZ2d@supernews.com>, [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > (supplied by > RealFlight) at the local hobby shop is choppy with 4.5 Yes me too. I thought that I simply did not have enough hardware. Intel just came out with a new i7 chip that is excellent for gaming and inexpensive. It is much better for gaming because memory access speed has been greatly enhanced. The memory controller is now on the chip. > > I find G4.5 to be less smooth especially after takeoff. I > > keep trying it [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > gaming because memory access speed has been greatly > enhanced. The memory controller is now on the chip. But you shouldn't need to have "the fastest processor on the planet" to run RealFlight. It should run on what they recommend. I'm hoping they will work out the bugs in a future release. Signaturem-m http://www.mhmyers.com >I find G4.5 to be less smooth especially after takeoff. I keep trying it >and end up downgrading to G4 each time. >I have the recommended hardware but even the kiosk unit (supplied by >RealFlight) at the local hobby shop is choppy with 4.5 I see that, too, both on my desktop and at the store. I'm glad that it's not just me! It's choppy on crashing, too. Take my word for it--no need to destroy any of your aircraft. :o) Marty SignatureBig-8 newsgroups: humanities.*, misc.*, news.*, rec.*, sci.*, soc.*, talk.* See http://www.big-8.org for info on how to add or remove newsgroups. >>I find G4.5 to be less smooth especially after takeoff. I >>keep trying it [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > > Marty Maybe they made the same mistake that Microsoft Flight Simulator X did and made a product that requires more hardware than currently exists. This cost the Microsoft Flight Simulator team ALL of their jobs. In any case G4 is superb in every way. > >>I find G4.5 to be less smooth especially after takeoff. I > >>keep trying it [quoted text clipped - 18 lines] > Flight Simulator team ALL of their jobs. In any case G4 is > superb in every way. I have an AMD Athlon 64 3200+ processor, 2 GB ram, and an Nvidia GeForce 7600 GT PCI Express video card with 256MB on board ram. Not the fastest system available and I can run Realflight G4.5 just fine. It is smooth running and highly detailed. Vance >> >>I find G4.5 to be less smooth especially after takeoff. >> >>I [quoted text clipped - 30 lines] > > Vance How many GHz and how many cores? Real Flight G2 ran great on my el cheapo homebuilt 333 MHz computers. I now have a Dell with a 2.5 GHz Quadcore chip and two GB of memory, but the last two versions of Real Flight are choppy. Who are they designing these sims for? Their largest market is for folks like me that are running essentially business computers or less. Not the diehard gamers with super video cards. When will they figure this out? Ed Cregger >>> >>I find G4.5 to be less smooth especially after takeoff. I >>> >>keep trying it [quoted text clipped - 27 lines] > > How many GHz and how many cores? > "Vance Howard" <itsme@example.invalid> wrote in message > > I have an AMD Athlon 64 3200+ processor, 2 GB ram, and an > > Nvidia [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > > How many GHz and how many cores? Single core, 2Ghz > I have an AMD Athlon 64 3200+ processor, 2 GB ram, and an Nvidia > GeForce 7600 GT PCI Express video card with 256MB on board ram. Not the > fastest system available and I can run Realflight G4.5 just fine. It is > smooth running and highly detailed. Are you sure there is NO hesitation or choppiness on takeoff or crashing? Have you ever used the G4 to see the difference? Signaturem-m http://www.mhmyers.com >> I have an AMD Athlon 64 3200+ processor, 2 GB ram, and an Nvidia >> GeForce 7600 GT PCI Express video card with 256MB on board ram. Not the [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > Are you sure there is NO hesitation or choppiness on takeoff or > crashing? Have you ever used the G4 to see the difference? Those of us saddled with video cards that are built into/onto the motherboard (most of us) are the ones that suffer the most from video choppiness. I'd give up some of the high performance aspects of the program just for a version that would run well on my Dell Quad Core 2.5 GHz desktop (2gb mem and Win XP) with its built-in video card. No one is going to convince me that this computer's video function is too weak to provide smooth, seamless video. The programmers are creating code that is too far advanced for the largest sector of its user base. It isn't as though they have any serious competition. But they're driving away folks with average computers by making it run like stink on average computers. In spite of the choppiness, I do enjoy using the 4.0/4.5 Real Flight simulator. I just wish it wouldn't blink, pause, drop out, etc. I don't buy gaming computers and never will. I buy business computers that earn their keep. The sim is only a hobby. I feel this reflects the majority of Real Flight sim users. Ed Cregger >>> I have an AMD Athlon 64 3200+ processor, 2 GB ram, and an Nvidia >>> GeForce 7600 GT PCI Express video card with 256MB on board ram. Not the [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > Those of us saddled with video cards that are built into/onto the > motherboard (most of us) You are aware you can still add a video card and disable the onboard one aren't you? >>>> I have an AMD Athlon 64 3200+ processor, 2 GB ram, and an Nvidia >>>> GeForce 7600 GT PCI Express video card with 256MB on board ram. Not the [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > You are aware you can still add a video card and disable the onboard one > aren't you? Yes. Why not just design the software for what the majority of your customer base uses? This is about customer satisfaction that gains sales. Not about who can create the most state-of-the-art program. Most RC types would rather spend their money on RC stuff instead of building a high performance computer. That's just how life is. While my video "card" isn't much by today's standards, it has to be eight times better than the one that was used in my 333 MHz CPU equipped computer that ran RF G2 without a single hitch. If they can make acceptable video, which RF G2 has, and make it work on a slooooooooow computer like my 333 GHz computer, why not today when we have much, much better computers than we did in those old days? Something doesn't make sense here. I know, I know. The operating system is part of the problem. But I care about results - not excuses. Ed Cregger >>>>> I have an AMD Athlon 64 3200+ processor, 2 GB ram, and an Nvidia >>>>> GeForce 7600 GT PCI Express video card with 256MB on board ram. Not the [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > spend their money on RC stuff instead of building a high performance > computer. That's just how life is. Well, my G2 only gets out of bed with 3D turned off..;-) It cost me about an extra $300 to ugrade so it worked. > While my video "card" isn't much by today's standards, it has to be eight > times better than the one that was used in my 333 MHz CPU equipped computer [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > I know, I know. The operating system is part of the problem. But I care > about results - not excuses. Don't think the OS has much to do with it..should be cracking straight to directX and into the card.. Well, there you go. Its easier to throw hardware at a problem than actually excercise 'intelligent design' ;-) > Ed Cregger > In spite of the choppiness, I do enjoy using the 4.0/4.5 Real Flight > simulator. I just wish it wouldn't blink, pause, drop out, etc. I don't buy [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > Ed Cregger I spoke to the support person at RealFlight and he said they are aware of the choppiness problems and they are working on a fix. It is not yet in beta but it is being worked on. Signaturem-m http://www.mhmyers.com Thanks. Much appreciated. Ed Cregger >> In spite of the choppiness, I do enjoy using the 4.0/4.5 Real Flight >> simulator. I just wish it wouldn't blink, pause, drop out, etc. I don't [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > of the choppiness problems and they are working on a fix. It is not yet > in beta but it is being worked on. > > I have an AMD Athlon 64 3200+ processor, 2 GB ram, and an Nvidia > > GeForce 7600 GT PCI Express video card with 256MB on board ram. Not [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > Are you sure there is NO hesitation or choppiness on takeoff or > crashing? Have you ever used the G4 to see the difference? I started with Realflight G3, then downloaded the G3.5 update. Then sold RF G3 and bought RF G4. Then downloaded G4.5. They have all run fine at high detail for me. No choppyness or hesitation. >> > I have an AMD Athlon 64 3200+ processor, 2 GB ram, and >> > an Nvidia [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > have all run > fine at high detail for me. No choppyness or hesitation. Do you run with all of the options on? Do you run on NonPhotoRealistic fields? (The PhotoRealistic fields require less processing power as indicated by the greater frame-rate). What is your frame-rate? I have a 2.4 Ghz Celeron with 2.0 GB RAM, and a PCI Nvidia 6200. I can't even get a decent framerate on 4.0 on the NonPhoto fields unless I turn the options down a little bit. No clouds no shadows, low foliage density. > >> > I have an AMD Athlon 64 3200+ processor, 2 GB ram, and > >> > an Nvidia [quoted text clipped - 25 lines] > NonPhoto fields unless I turn the options down a little bit. > No clouds no shadows, low foliage density. Don't know what my frame rate is. I did boot into Windows today and applied the latest update to realflight from 4.50.025 to 4.50.036. I now notice a slight hesitation when I first advance the throttle on take off. But that is the only glitch I see. The hesitation is so slight I almost didn't notice it. I wonder if it's always been there and never noticed it? Anyways, I always turn everything up details and graphics wise and run that way, then start turning details down until it runs smooth and I didn't have to turn it down in G4 and Didn't when I updated to G4.5. >> >> > I have an AMD Athlon 64 3200+ processor, 2 GB ram, >> >> > and [quoted text clipped - 50 lines] > didn't have to turn it down in G4 and Didn't when I > updated to G4.5. 4.0 reports the framerate, so 4.5 probably does too, this is the most objective measure of choppiness. 20 fps is about the minimum with no detectable choppyness. >4.0 reports the framerate, so 4.5 probably does too, this is >the most objective measure of choppiness. 20 fps is about >the minimum with no detectable choppyness. The thing that some of us are complaining about is not choppiness throughout the flight. It's a momentary freeze part way down the runway on takeoff, at a couple of other parts of the sky, and on crashing. I saw it on the RF setup at the store, too, a couple of weeks ago. Marty SignatureBig-8 newsgroups: humanities.*, misc.*, news.*, rec.*, sci.*, soc.*, talk.* See http://www.big-8.org for info on how to add or remove newsgroups. In my case I thought that I remembered that the problem was a frame rate of about 1 or 2. >>4.0 reports the framerate, so 4.5 probably does too, this >>is [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > > Marty >I have an AMD Athlon 64 3200+ processor, 2 GB ram, and an Nvidia >GeForce 7600 GT PCI Express video card with 256MB on board ram. Not the >fastest system available and I can run Realflight G4.5 just fine. It is >smooth running and highly detailed. I've got: Gigabyte EP35-DS3P Microsoft® Windows Vista x64 Business Service Pack 1 Build 6001 Intel(R) Core(TM)2 Duo CPU E7200 @ 2.53GHz GenuineIntel SATA RAID array: 2x SCSI Disk Device 596 GB Maxtor 6L120M0 ATA Device 114 GB 1 System Memory: 6 GB ATI Radeon HD 2600 XT 256 MB 32 1280x1024 So it could be the Intel chipset or the ATI Radeon card. Or some other hitch in my giddyup. :o( Marty SignatureBig-8 newsgroups: humanities.*, misc.*, news.*, rec.*, sci.*, soc.*, talk.* See http://www.big-8.org for info on how to add or remove newsgroups. >>I have an AMD Athlon 64 3200+ processor, 2 GB ram, and an >>Nvidia [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] > > So it could be the Intel chipset or the ATI Radeon card. From reading the rest of the posts it would seem that your video card is the issue. > Or some other hitch in my giddyup. :o( > > Marty >> ATI Radeon HD 2600 XT 256 MB 32 1280x1024 >From reading the rest of the posts it would seem that your >video card is the issue. Could well be. I have a friend with G4.5. I think he has a Radeon card, too--and he's got the same glitch. It happens even with most of the graphics stuff turned off. I just turned it all back on again and got used to the glitches. :o) Marty SignatureBig-8 newsgroups: humanities.*, misc.*, news.*, rec.*, sci.*, soc.*, talk.* See http://www.big-8.org for info on how to add or remove newsgroups. |
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