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Ted - 11 Oct 2009 18:04 GMT
I have an old GP Spectra glider that runs on a seven cell NiMH 8.4
volt pack. The motor is a GP GoldFire 550 that is brushed. I am
looking for the most inexpensive way to convert to an equivalent motor
that runs off a LiPo  3S 2200 MAH rated at 15C. I don't know much
about electrics and since this is a glider I don't want to invest a
lot into it. You can reach me at tkennedy63@msn.com
Tim Wescott - 12 Oct 2009 06:37 GMT
> I have an old GP Spectra glider that runs on a seven cell NiMH 8.4 volt
> pack. The motor is a GP GoldFire 550 that is brushed. I am looking for
> the most inexpensive way to convert to an equivalent motor that runs off
> a LiPo  3S 2200 MAH rated at 15C. I don't know much about electrics and
> since this is a glider I don't want to invest a lot into it. You can
> reach me at tkennedy63@msn.com

Find out the power rating for the GoldFire, then find an outrunner
brushless that matches it's power rating and works on a three cell pack.  
There are a bunch of (relatively) inexpensive outrunners out there --
Tower Hobby and Hobby Lobby both carry them if you want to mail order,
your LHS may be of help if they know electrics (if you live around
Portland Oregon I highly recommend Coyote Hobby in Oregon City).

You'll need a speed controller and charger, of course.

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Bruno - 12 Oct 2009 11:50 GMT
>I have an old GP Spectra glider that runs on a seven cell NiMH 8.4
>volt pack. The motor is a GP GoldFire 550 that is brushed. I am
>looking for the most inexpensive way to convert to an equivalent motor
>that runs off a LiPo  3S 2200 MAH rated at 15C. I don't know much
>about electrics and since this is a glider I don't want to invest a
>lot into it. You can reach me at tkennedy63@msn.com

I converted a Kyosho 2m Stratus Sports (the old, foam-wing variant)
glider to brushless.

It originally used a HUGE brushed motor and a 7-cell NI-CD battery.
Typically, a pack would last for some three climbs (about 1-1/2 minute
each) wich would give me, each, about 5 minute of gliding time (unless
I found an unusually strong thermal). That equaled just under 20min
flying time for a NI-CD pack.

The same glider can now reach altitude in only 30 seconds of motor
time and can float around from there for some 10 minutes on a
zero-thermal flight. A LIPO pack lasts countless flights, so on a
typical, mixed good/bad thermal day, I can fly a whole afternoon on a
single LIPO charge.

I use an inexpensive "Waypoint" 2215-18 outrunner motor on a 3S, 20C
2100mAh LIPO battery. The HUGE weight saving combined with the greater
power  efficiency turned the glider into a whole new machine.

Note that you wll probably need to move things around in the glider in
order to keep its CG within limits.

Definitely worth it.
Fubar of the HillPeople - 13 Oct 2009 17:07 GMT
I have a Goldberg Electra with a master airscrew geared 500 brushed. I
simply swapped to a LiPo ESC and I use 2 2cell 2500mAh in parallel. Gives me
7+ volts @5 amps. Both packs together weigh about the same as the NiCad
packs I used to use so it balanced out the same.
Flies great.

Dan
>I have an old GP Spectra glider that runs on a seven cell NiMH 8.4
> volt pack. The motor is a GP GoldFire 550 that is brushed. I am
> looking for the most inexpensive way to convert to an equivalent motor
> that runs off a LiPo  3S 2200 MAH rated at 15C. I don't know much
> about electrics and since this is a glider I don't want to invest a
> lot into it. You can reach me at tkennedy63@msn.com
Fubar of the HillPeople - 13 Oct 2009 17:07 GMT
I have a Goldberg Electra with a master airscrew geared 500 brushed. I
simply swapped to a LiPo ESC and I use 2 2cell 2500mAh in parallel. Gives me
7+ volts @5 amps. Both packs together weigh about the same as the NiCad
packs I used to use so it balanced out the same.
Flies great.

Dan
>I have an old GP Spectra glider that runs on a seven cell NiMH 8.4
> volt pack. The motor is a GP GoldFire 550 that is brushed. I am
> looking for the most inexpensive way to convert to an equivalent motor
> that runs off a LiPo  3S 2200 MAH rated at 15C. I don't know much
> about electrics and since this is a glider I don't want to invest a
> lot into it. You can reach me at tkennedy63@msn.com
Fubar of the HillPeople - 13 Oct 2009 17:07 GMT
I have a Goldberg Electra with a master airscrew geared 500 brushed. I
simply swapped to a LiPo ESC and I use 2 2cell 2500mAh in parallel. Gives me
7+ volts @5 amps. Both packs together weigh about the same as the NiCad
packs I used to use so it balanced out the same.
Flies great.

Dan
>I have an old GP Spectra glider that runs on a seven cell NiMH 8.4
> volt pack. The motor is a GP GoldFire 550 that is brushed. I am
> looking for the most inexpensive way to convert to an equivalent motor
> that runs off a LiPo  3S 2200 MAH rated at 15C. I don't know much
> about electrics and since this is a glider I don't want to invest a
> lot into it. You can reach me at tkennedy63@msn.com
Fubar of the HillPeople - 13 Oct 2009 17:07 GMT
I have a Goldberg Electra with a master airscrew geared 500 brushed. I
simply swapped to a LiPo ESC and I use 2 2cell 2500mAh in parallel. Gives me
7+ volts @5 amps. Both packs together weigh about the same as the NiCad
packs I used to use so it balanced out the same.
Flies great.

Dan
>I have an old GP Spectra glider that runs on a seven cell NiMH 8.4
> volt pack. The motor is a GP GoldFire 550 that is brushed. I am
> looking for the most inexpensive way to convert to an equivalent motor
> that runs off a LiPo  3S 2200 MAH rated at 15C. I don't know much
> about electrics and since this is a glider I don't want to invest a
> lot into it. You can reach me at tkennedy63@msn.com
Tim Wescott - 14 Oct 2009 01:54 GMT
> I have a Goldberg Electra with a master airscrew geared 500 brushed. I
> simply swapped to a LiPo ESC and I use 2 2cell 2500mAh in parallel.
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> Dan
> "Ted" <tkennedy63@msn.com> wrote in message

news:023c5501-1838-4256-8f52-287895f9f3b5@y10g2000prg.googlegroups.com...
>>I have an old GP Spectra glider that runs on a seven cell NiMH 8.4
>> volt pack. The motor is a GP GoldFire 550 that is brushed. I am looking
>> for the most inexpensive way to convert to an equivalent motor that
>> runs off a LiPo  3S 2200 MAH rated at 15C. I don't know much about
>> electrics and since this is a glider I don't want to invest a lot into
>> it. You can reach me at tkennedy63@msn.com

Whazzup?  Is your ISP confused?

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Spugs - 14 Oct 2009 19:06 GMT
> > I have a Goldberg Electra with a master airscrew geared 500 brushed. I
> > simply swapped to a LiPo ESC and I use 2 2cell 2500mAh in parallel.
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>
> --www.wescottdesign.com

Thanks for all the great advice but when I costed out what would be
required it would be more expensive than buying an entire new ARF.
Since I got this for nothing, its not worth the expense. I will try to
fly it just with a hi start and forget the motor. Seems similar to a
Gentle Lady.
Fubar of the HillPeople - 14 Oct 2009 19:29 GMT
I guess so. I only hit send once.
I dunno what the deal is.

Dan

> Whazzup?  Is your ISP confused?
Charley38 - 22 Jan 2010 04:46 GMT
> I have an old GP Spectra glider that runs on a seven cell NiMH 8.4
> volt pack. The motor is a GP GoldFire 550 that is brushed. I am
> looking for the most inexpensive way to convert to an equivalent motor
> that runs off a LiPo  3S 2200 MAH rated at 15C. I don't know much
> about electrics and since this is a glider I don't want to invest a
> lot into it. You can reach me at tkennedy63@msn.com

It's the Electronic Speed Control (ESC) that's important here. Get on
Tower's or GP's site and look for the specs for your ESC, see if your
ESC will handle the LiPo.  If not, see if they have a brushed ESC for
the 550 that will handle a 3s1p LiPo.

  CR
 
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