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Tim Wescott - 04 Dec 2009 05:01 GMT
I'm starting work on a 1/10th scale Laird Solution, in Depron, balsa and
carbon fiber.

I had forgotten just how long it takes for 'foam safe' CA to set on
Depron (I well remember that nothing else seems to stick at all,
however).  Even with accelerator it's still slow to cure, and I'm not a
particular fan of accelerator.

So, what are your experiences gluing Depron?  Do you have any magic?  Or
should I just use foam-safe CA and expect it to take a while to cure?

Thanks.

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Martin X. Moleski, SJ - 04 Dec 2009 05:17 GMT
>I'm starting work on a 1/10th scale Laird Solution, in Depron, balsa and
>carbon fiber.

>I had forgotten just how long it takes for 'foam safe' CA to set on
>Depron (I well remember that nothing else seems to stick at all,
>however).  Even with accelerator it's still slow to cure, and I'm not a
>particular fan of accelerator.

>So, what are your experiences gluing Depron?  Do you have any magic?  Or
>should I just use foam-safe CA and expect it to take a while to cure?

There are some good ideas here:

<http://forums.radiocontrolzone.com/archive/index.php/t-1340.html>

These folks say "use a kicker" with the CA:

<http://www.calmdays.com/archive/index.php/t-316.html>

And dozens of other similar pages:

<http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=depron+glue&sourceid=navclient-ff&rlz=1B3GG
GL_enUS300US300&ie=UTF-8
>

Let us know what works for you!

                Marty
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Tim Wescott - 04 Dec 2009 06:54 GMT
>>I'm starting work on a 1/10th scale Laird Solution, in Depron, balsa and
>>carbon fiber.
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>
>                 Marty

Thanks Marty.  I really should have Googled...

One of the posts talks about using canopy glue -- I'm going to try that.  
Foam-safe CA seems to be doing well where I'm gluing wood or carbon fiber
to the foam.  But I recall the CA not wanting to set in the presence of
the foam alone; even with accelerator it would set around the edges and
take forever to cure in the middle.  It'll be _very_ interesting to see
how the canopy glue does.

They also mention some UHU Por -- I'll have to see if the local craft
store has some, as it sounds ideal for some foam-to-plywood joints that
are going to be problematic any other way.

This is going to be one fun plane -- it's actually #2 in a series.  The
first was a 1:10.5 scale to get the wingspan at exactly 24 inches.  I
learned a lot: about building with foam (don't use it for interplane
struts!); Laird Solution aerodynamics (the rudder is too small -- my
prototype flew sideways, and later I ran across a transcript of a talk by
Jimmy Doolittle where he complains about marginal yaw stability in the
full scale Super Solution); planning (you really do need to decide how
you're going to attach the landing gear _before_ you build (I knew this,
but had reasons for ignoring it)); and finally about painting foam (use
Krylon H20, and paint the dark parts white before you paint them
yellow).  

This one ought to be vastly improved by the lessons learned from the
prototype -- and even though it was ugly as sin once it really flew, it
flew really well.  So I'm expecting a good-looking, nice-flying, fast
airplane that'll rise off ground for this revision.

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Martin X. Moleski, SJ - 04 Dec 2009 11:41 GMT
>One of the posts talks about using canopy glue -- I'm going to try that.  
>Foam-safe CA seems to be doing well where I'm gluing wood or carbon fiber
>to the foam.  But I recall the CA not wanting to set in the presence of
>the foam alone; even with accelerator it would set around the edges and
>take forever to cure in the middle.  It'll be _very_ interesting to see
>how the canopy glue does.

A worthwhile experiment!

I've used Goop for some odd jobs.  I imagine it would be
too heavy and too slow-curing for your application.

>They also mention some UHU Por -- I'll have to see if the local craft
>store has some, as it sounds ideal for some foam-to-plywood joints that
>are going to be problematic any other way.

WOW!  And I thought Gorilla Glue was expensive!

<http://www.hobby-lobby.com/uhu_por_glue_for_styrofoam_2843_prd1.htm>

>This is going to be one fun plane -- it's actually #2 in a series.  The
>first was a 1:10.5 scale to get the wingspan at exactly 24 inches.  I
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>Krylon H20, and paint the dark parts white before you paint them
>yellow).  

Sounds like you learned a lot.

>This one ought to be vastly improved by the lessons learned from the
>prototype -- and even though it was ugly as sin once it really flew, it
>flew really well.  So I'm expecting a good-looking, nice-flying, fast
>airplane that'll rise off ground for this revision.

Marvelous!

            Marty
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MJKolodziej - 04 Dec 2009 16:03 GMT
>>One of the posts talks about using canopy glue -- I'm going to try that.
>>Foam-safe CA seems to be doing well where I'm gluing wood or carbon fiber
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>
> Marty

I think GOOP might eat Depron and it is heavy. Canopy glue cures SLOWLY in
my experience.  There are some really good foam safe CAs and kicker but it
seems like it was expensive.
Billy Hell rings a bell.
mk
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Fubar of the HillPeople - 04 Dec 2009 19:23 GMT
The Arrow from Budget RC is a Depron biplane and its almost all glued using
canopy glue. Means a lot of waiting for the glue to dry like back before CA.

> I'm starting work on a 1/10th scale Laird Solution, in Depron, balsa and
> carbon fiber.
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>
> Thanks.
Tim Wescott - 04 Dec 2009 22:45 GMT
>> I'm starting work on a 1/10th scale Laird Solution, in Depron, balsa
>> and carbon fiber.
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> using canopy glue. Means a lot of waiting for the glue to dry like back
> before CA.

That's good to know -- I'm not a great fan of CA for a variety of
reasons, and I often don't mind waiting for glue to dry.

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Tim Wescott - 06 Dec 2009 18:33 GMT
> I'm starting work on a 1/10th scale Laird Solution, in Depron, balsa and
> carbon fiber.
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> So, what are your experiences gluing Depron?  Do you have any magic?  Or
> should I just use foam-safe CA and expect it to take a while to cure?

Canopy glue works _really well_ if you don't mind waiting for it.  It's
pretty much like white glue for foam.

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