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Maximizing the life of the tiny LiPos ???

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Peter Olcott - 18 May 2010 17:13 GMT
I am flying planes and helicopters that take the new tiny
little LiPos, from 70 mAh to 150 mAh at 3.7 volts.

I already know that the most important thing it to make sure
that they are not discharged too much. I use a timer for
this.

I was told that it is not good to leave them in the charger.
Also I have read that the best storage charge is 50%. I
don't know how to do this with these tiny little batteries.

E-Flite said to simply keep them fully charged, and recharge
them once a month if in storage. They also said that they
should be charged at least until the charger flashes every
20 seconds.

Does anyone here have any more ideas about extending the
life of these tiny LiPos?
Tom Minger - 19 May 2010 04:29 GMT
For Li-Polys, the consensus seems to be to store packs at about 85% of peak.
That works out to about 3.85V per cell.

>I am flying planes and helicopters that take the new tiny little LiPos,
>from 70 mAh to 150 mAh at 3.7 volts.
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> Does anyone here have any more ideas about extending the life of these
> tiny LiPos?
Peter Olcott - 20 May 2010 21:08 GMT
> For Li-Polys, the consensus seems to be to store packs at
> about 85% of peak. That works out to about 3.85V per cell.

(1) I seem to recall that all the stuff that I read said 50%
charge, perhaps I am remembering incorrectly.
(2) What is the best way to determine the voltage of the
little tiny 70-150 mAh batteries?

>>I am flying planes and helicopters that take the new tiny
>>little LiPos, from 70 mAh to 150 mAh at 3.7 volts.
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>> Does anyone here have any more ideas about extending the
>> life of these tiny LiPos?
Tim Wescott - 20 May 2010 21:34 GMT
>> For Li-Polys, the consensus seems to be to store packs at
>> about 85% of peak. That works out to about 3.85V per cell.
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> (2) What is the best way to determine the voltage of the
> little tiny 70-150 mAh batteries?

With a volt meter.  But 1/2 voltage isn't 1/2 charged -- 1/2 charged
means that you've sucked out half of the total amp-hours that the thing
can hold.  Pull a LiPo down to 1/2 voltage and it's toast.

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Peter Olcott - 20 May 2010 22:23 GMT
>>> For Li-Polys, the consensus seems to be to store packs
>>> at about 85% of peak. That works out to about 3.85V per
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> amp-hours that the thing can hold.  Pull a LiPo down to
> 1/2 voltage and it's toast.

Where do I get a voltmeter that will work with the tiny
little cells?
Tim Wescott - 20 May 2010 23:45 GMT
>>>> For Li-Polys, the consensus seems to be to store packs
>>>> at about 85% of peak. That works out to about 3.85V per
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> Where do I get a voltmeter that will work with the tiny
> little cells?

Your confusion confuses me.  Any old voltmeter will do, as long as you
can get their probe tips on the wires.

Try Radio Shack.

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Peter Olcott - 21 May 2010 19:24 GMT
>>>>> For Li-Polys, the consensus seems to be to store packs
>>>>> at about 85% of peak. That works out to about 3.85V
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>
> Try Radio Shack.

I was able to make an adaptor for my Watts Up watt meter. It
seems to work very well when the battery is fully charged.
When the battery is nearing its cut-off the LCD display gets
dim.

What is the recommended minimum voltage for these LiPos to
maximize their lifetime?
Tim Wescott - 22 May 2010 05:49 GMT
>>>>>> For Li-Polys, the consensus seems to be to store packs
>>>>>> at about 85% of peak. That works out to about 3.85V
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> What is the recommended minimum voltage for these LiPos to
> maximize their lifetime?

Y'know, I'm drawing a complete blank.  Battery chemistry is battery
chemistry though, the voltage is invariant to size -- currents and
capacity scales with size, but the voltage is a consequence of the
chemistry which does not change.  So whatever is recommended for regular
LiPo cells is what you want to follow for the teeny ones.

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Peter Olcott - 22 May 2010 18:39 GMT
>>>>>>> For Li-Polys, the consensus seems to be to store
>>>>>>> packs
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> change.  So whatever is recommended for regular LiPo cells
> is what you want to follow for the teeny ones.

I will guess that 3.66 volts is reasonable, and
conservative. I am pretty sure that this was the most
conservative number that I have encountered.
littlephoenix - 25 May 2010 06:11 GMT
if you charge your lipo's at a very low amperage, you will extend the life
greatly.
charge slow, and dont drain to low
each cell should be discharged no less then 3.6 to 3.7 if you wish to use
your batteries 100+ cycles

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