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Pusher prop, why not just turn the propeller around?

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John Doe - 30 Jul 2010 03:42 GMT
Can you just turn an ordinary propeller around to make it into a
"pusher" propeller? Is the problem only a matter of the connection to
the rotor?

Thanks.
Vance Howard - 30 Jul 2010 03:56 GMT
> Can you just turn an ordinary propeller around to make it into a
> "pusher" propeller? Is the problem only a matter of the connection to
> the rotor?
>
> Thanks.

you can do that if you can reverse the rotation of the motor. With an
electric, that is easy. With a gas/nitro motor, not as easy.

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John Doe - 30 Jul 2010 04:38 GMT
Vance Howard <itsme@example.invalid> wrote:

> John Doe scribbled:
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>> Can you just turn an ordinary propeller around to make it into
>> a "pusher" propeller? Is the problem only a matter of the
>> connection to the rotor?

> you can do that if you can reverse the rotation of the motor.

What if you want the airflow to go away from the motor? Isn't that
what a pusher propeller does, pushes air away from the motor
instead of over the motor? Can you produce the same effect by just
reversing an ordinary propeller? Is the only difference the way
the propeller is drilled, but the center is still the center no
matter which way you mount it? The propeller fits the mounting
hardware better when it is mounted the right way?

I tried to restate the same question, hopefully to be clear.

Thanks.
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> With an electric, that is easy. With a gas/nitro motor, not as
> easy.
Vance Howard - 30 Jul 2010 04:47 GMT
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> Thanks.

You will still need to reverse the direction of rotation of the motor to
get the air to go the other way. Otherwise, it is going to flow the
normal direction with high in-efficiency.

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John Doe - 30 Jul 2010 06:57 GMT
Got it, thanks.
Vance Howard - 30 Jul 2010 04:53 GMT
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> Thanks.

A pusher propeller has the blades pitched the opposite of a normal
propeller. With a normal propeller, it has to rotate counter-clockwise
for air to flow though it properly. To reverse the airflow, you need to
rotate the propeller clockwise. To make it efficient rotating clockwise,
you need to turn the propeller around.

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Ron - 30 Jul 2010 06:18 GMT
>Vance Howard <itsme@example.invalid> wrote:
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>Thanks.

It would seem that way.  However, no matter which way you install the
propeller on the engine, if the engine shaft rotates counter clockwise
the prop will blow the air over the engine.  Take a model propeller,
look at it edge on, then rotate it 180 degrees and you will see the
same angle of attack between the airstream and the propeller blade.
Only when it is reversed, the airfoil shape is very inefficient.

Ron Kelley
Andrey Tarasevich - 04 Aug 2010 22:06 GMT
> What if you want the airflow to go away from the motor? Isn't that
> what a pusher propeller does, pushes air away from the motor
> instead of over the motor? Can you produce the same effect by just
> reversing an ordinary propeller?

If you simply flip the propeller, it _will_ _not_ reverse the direction
of the airflow. It will continue to "propel" the air in the same
direction as before the flip, i.e. over the motor (Just try it, if it is
not obvious to you.) The only thing that will change is that the
intended leading edges of the blades will become trailing edges (and
vice versa), which will essentially destroy the efficiency of the prop.

Without a special pusher prop, the only way to turn a puller setup into
a pusher setup is to reverse the direction of the motor. This will also
turn the leading edges of the prop into trailing edges etc., which is
why you also have to flip the prop to get back to the normal efficiency.

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Andrey Tarasevich

 
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