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Model Forum / General / Railroads / June 2005Private Poll - Who Wants a Comet
Whilst speaking with a number of persons (Names withheld) involved with the production of railway models over the weekend, I put forward the view that re hashing models that have been done in the past could be an exercise fraught with danger, and put forward that they instead should look at doing something different that hasn't been done before, for example a ready to run "Comet" set. I was met with the reply that there would not be sufficient interest, even though I put forward the arguement that it could be used on layouts modeling the Main South (Federal City Express), Short North (Newcastle Flyer during the war) and of course the Main West (Silver City Comet). It could also be done in a variety of color schemes,two silver and blue color schemes, candy and tuscan/yellow. So just to test a theory I decided to run a quick poll. Let me know if you'd be interested in seeing a ready to run "Comet" set produced. If no ones interest well I guess I'm wrong. If there is sufficient interest I will make the results known to the persons I was discussing the matter with. Regards Andrew Corby Yes > Whilst speaking with a number of persons (Names withheld) involved with > the production of railway models over the weekend, I put forward the [quoted text clipped - 18 lines] > Regards > Andrew Corby > I was met with the reply that there would not be sufficient interest, > even though I put forward the arguement that it could be used on > layouts modeling the Main South (Federal City Express), Short North > (Newcastle Flyer during the war) and of course the Main West (Silver > City Comet). Yes it ran on the Main South and Short North, but only for limited periods in an era which is not commonly modelled. The only real market for a Comet would be people who model somewhere west of Orange. And if they want a Comet, they'll built the kit. It's similar to the 49 class. The prototype only existed in small numbers and was geographically restricted for much of its life. An RTR model needs lots of sales. That means a prototype which existed in large numbers and/or was seen in a lot of places. The newer manufacturers have done well with locos and to some extent freight wagons, and some are now branching into railcars, but I don't think passenger cars will be far off. I would guess that RTR injection moulded RUB, HUB, 72'6", R and L cars would all be hovering around the top of the list. And with all due respect to Hanovale and their excellent kits, I suspect that a true scale RTR XPT will also appear at some stage. Cheers David > > I was met with the reply that there would not be sufficient interest, > > even though I put forward the arguement that it could be used on [quoted text clipped - 23 lines] > Cheers > David Maybe Eureka Models might try and do it if there was enough public support. nathan David Bromage wrote: And if > they want a Comet, they'll built the kit. Is there a kit currently available?? Allan Lees I already have a Silver City Comet set painted in the blue/grey with blue stripes. Nearly finished is a Comet that I will probably paint candy (still to decide). These are the epoxy/glass window type with a few cars being the later urethane. As these kits have been available since 1984 & if they were popular I would think there should have seen more than a rare sighting on an exhibition layout. Suggesting diverse colour schemes is OK for the buyers but you would need to look at as a train basis not just as a locomotive. There are also external changes that were made when the DP became a true locomotive with the luggage portion removed. The Silver City Comet is not just one item .... there is the rolling stock that needs to be available in the same colour scheme. I really think that a RTR Comet would be a manufacturing nightmare for any one to provide. Prove me wrong & I would be among the first to buy another one.  SignatureCheers Terry C > Whilst speaking with a number of persons (Names withheld) involved with > the production of railway models over the weekend, I put forward the [quoted text clipped - 18 lines] > Regards > Andrew Corby NO! > Whilst speaking with a number of persons (Names withheld) involved with > the production of railway models over the weekend, I put forward the [quoted text clipped - 18 lines] > Regards > Andrew Corby > Whilst speaking with a number of persons (Names withheld) involved with > the production of railway models over the weekend, I put forward the [quoted text clipped - 18 lines] > Regards > Andrew Corby If an original version in cream and green is done then I'd be first on the waiting list with an order for a 6 car set. But until then I'll just get back to completing the silver & blue Stephen Johnson kits I've been working on since 1994. Just need to line and decal her, do a bit of detailing and then she's ready for her trial run. A basic comet set would require the power car and at least 2 different body style trailers (3 preferred, 4 even better). The manufacturers have repeatadly pointed out the cost of tooling a carriage is the same as the cost of tooling a loco body which means they're going to be up for 3 or more times the manufacturing costs to get this project happening. A 400 class railmotor would probably be a better choice at this time. Not that I need another one of those unless it's an original version in cream and green. (hint hint...) Michael S http://mstrange.customer.netspace.net.au/ > times the manufacturing costs to get this project happening. A 400 class > railmotor would probably be a better choice at this time. Not that I need > another one of those unless it's an original version in cream and green. > (hint hint...) A 400 would have similar issues to the 49, only worse. A RTR injection moulded CPH/CTH in the full range of liveries would be a different story. Even in green and cream, as you can still see a pair of them on the main line today. Cheers David What issues? Cheers Grant > A 400 would have similar issues to the 49, only worse. > [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > Cheers > David > What issues? The prototype only existed in small numbers and was geographically restricted for much of its life. Cheers David I guess I would not buy a Comet, but running a poll here would not give you much of an idea :o) Only a few old die-hard's and thick skinned types left? I guess a few could be hanging around checking the posts and not showing their faces?? But run the poll at Yahoo Aus Model Rail, and you might get a better idea?? Cheers Rod >> What issues? > [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > Cheers > David The bottom line is the issue of cost. On making enquiries over time regarding costs of manufacture of engines carriages today, quotes in the order of $250.00 a given for a minimum run of around 250. Therefore, it is possible that a 6 car comet set in the most commonly wanted colour would require an outlay of around $1600.00. Its beyond my reach. A further enquiry regarding the possible cost of a Harman coal stage of the types found in Orange, Dubbo & Casino produced a reply of "demand & therefore cost prohibitive" as it was classed as a boutique model. Yet to me it came in as a coal stage that could be used on a busy layout, & requires much less space than the more common coal stages. The reality is that there are so many models that people would like that fall into the boutique market price will kill it off. Sadly, I would think that is the case with the comet. Having said that, it would be nice to see it. > The bottom line is the issue of cost. > [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > would think that is the case with the comet. Having said that, it would > be nice to see it. Anton is (or used to be) keen on making that kind of thing. talk to him. I'd be in it. But wouldn't you be better off building something that can strike an accord with people off the street as well as modellers. Austrains did it with the NRs Lima did it with XPT sets What not do something like a millennium train? Rob |
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