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Model Forum / General / Railroads / July 2005nswr 44 rear headlight
Just took delivery of my new 44's.......very nice. Now to the task of back dateing them to the golden age of the 1950's. Chop, fill, paint i can't help myself. I only have one black and white photo of the no2 end and would like to know if the headlight surround was silver or yellow, my guess is silver. Could anyone throw some light on this...haha Thanks in advance Paul Unless proven otherwise, the No 2end head light surrounds would have been the same colour as that part of the engine, IE: Tuscan. The Yellow went along the side grills, past the cab windows, & at the same level went across the width of the cab > Unless proven otherwise, the No 2end head light surrounds would have > been the same colour as that part of the engine, IE: Tuscan. > > The Yellow went along the side grills, past the cab windows, & at the > same level went across the width of the cab Maybe in later years but pics i have in B/W show the surround as definately a lighter colour than the body colour and i'm presuming silver but looking for some conformation. As the 50's were a bit before my time I would suggest then if it your photo's show there is a lighter colour & comes from the fifties it would more than likely be yellow, & not silver. I browsed through some of my books that have colour photo's & so far only show up No1 end leading. Silver was in use on loco's was not that common until the 60's, & more with country allocated engines, & from my experience was usually only used in areas for the safety of enginemen in areas they walked & worked. EG cow catcher (for light reflection) & hand rails. It was frowned upon by the city depot Delec, being the 44's original allocation depot. When were your photo's taken? You have a reasonable task ahead of you in the cut & fill, especially around the marker light area's best of luck Paul Having now gone through some other books of mine, this subject is a proverbial minefield, as I have found the following colour photo's. Jon Stormont's book "The fifties a decade of change" shows 4401 No1 end leading on 19/06/57 in the colours I mentioned except of course No. 2 end unseen. The photo shows the 5 chime Nathan horn on No 1 end only & the flat buffer beam as originally fitted to these engines Remember When 1page 3: shows 4440 on 17/10/59 No 1 end with black grills, flat buffer beam, but with different horns, 2 pointing forward & 2 back, similar to those fitted in later life. In the same book, page 19 a photo is shown of 4440 No 2 end 07/11/1959 on the Anzac rifle range, & in this photo it shows that No2 end has the headlight surrounds the same colour as that above the windows IE tuscan (or whatever) Page 86 shows 4436 No2 end leading 14/03/1958, with silver headlight surrounds, & you can notice the Nathan 5 chime horn on No 1 end. Some other observations I have noticed from that era based on photo's. Some had the yellow down the grill, as well as yellow & red bands on the bottom of the locomotive panels, & then the red lines above & below the grills. Others had only red lines at the bottom & above/below grills. All engines seemed to have the Nahtan 5 chime horn on No. 1 end, whilst others in the 4440-4449 seem to have the standard type 4 horn, (2 facing forwar, & 2 back). Somewhere, I do remember seeing a photo of an early 44 with the yellow around the 2 end headlight. So! where does this leave us modellors? Certainly I think, with many more questions, short of archival colour photos of both ends of these engines the only way would seem to be is to take the steam locomotive approach. Pick a number that you have ready access to photo's, & model it. When I started on the railways in 1964, I seem to remember that all the MK1 44's at that time had the Nathan 5 chime horn of one type or another, 4459 had an experimental one that was higher pitched, & I rememer that one 44 had a suburban type small horn fitted. Again, if my memeory serves me correct it was 4412. Best of luck > Paul > [quoted text clipped - 45 lines] > > Best of luck Thanks.....i think Checked out those pics and they will provide enough info to get a model that reflects the era as pics from all angles on one loco are pretty hard to come by. Also looked up 'Early Diesel and Electric Locomotives of the NSWGR' by M. Morahan pages 116 onwards there are some nice pics in the 1950's. Most of the modifications are only minor, the hard one will be getting those single marker lights to look good. These are my proposed changes: * Remove rear air horns, fletner vent and handrails from the roof. * Natham 5 chime to front of loco roof * Remove handrails on the nose on front of loco * Remove coat of arms and loco numbers from both sides * Change marker light to single type * Fill in top step to front pilot * minor paint touch ups The model overall is excellent bar a few little niggles that are more to do with my personal taste, i'm sure the aftermarket will be supplying numerous other detail bits soon. If any are reading.........how about a detailed front head light insert, some single marker lights and builders plates. Regards Paul > > Paul > > [quoted text clipped - 69 lines] > Regards > Paul Paul Don't get too carried away. Further releases are iminent and I'm sure somewhere down the track they'll do the early versions such as they are doing with the 42's. Andrew Corby > > > Paul > > > [quoted text clipped - 77 lines] > > Andrew Corby And you tell me this now....oh well. Spose i can fit another 44 in the stable, my mods are relatively simple.....oh no i found another part to trim, some sort of deflection plate ?? around the staff exchanger boxes. Can anyone tell me the safiest and easiest way to remove the printing on the body without having to repaint if possible. ie Loco numbers and coat of arms? > Maybe in later years but pics i have in B/W show the surround as > definately a lighter colour than the body colour and i'm presuming > silver but looking for some conformation. The headlight body is an aluminium casting. So it is entirely possible that your photo shows a silver headlight, if the casting was not painted, which seems to have been common. The No.1 end headlight body is also an aluminium casting, these were usually unpainted as well. The shroud you described as a deflector around the staff exchanger recess is exactly that. The top of the recess opens from inside the cab to allow the crew to retrieve the staff. The deflectors were added to minimise the amount of dust, rain and other airborne rubbish entering the cab when the top was open. |
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