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mindesign - 15 Jul 2005 09:40 GMT
Hi again all

uncertain if there were many makers of these but a mate has an all brass one
in HO ...... don't know much about it other than it is damaged in some areas
and needs a good service. He no longer wants it (been sitting in his drawer
for 5 years)..... anyone tell me what would be a fair price for it, given
this extremely vague info.?

:))

I figure just an idea along the lines of "I'd be happy to pay $X for it even
if it is broken" type thing

Thanks

Steve
Kevin Martin - 15 Jul 2005 10:46 GMT
> Hi again all
>
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>
> Steve

Hi Steve

Surely you can give better details on this Garratt (note correct
spelling) than that, like which class of Garratt is it? Its the same as
saying "I have a Hornby loco for sale - best offer please" Tells us nothing.

Kevin Martin
mark_newton - 15 Jul 2005 12:39 GMT
> Surely you can give better details on this Garratt (note correct
> spelling) than that, like which class of Garratt is it? Its the same
> as saying "I have a Hornby loco for sale - best offer please" Tells
> us nothing.

Presumably a NSWGR 60 class, since I can't recall any other HO brass
Garratts*. Model Dockyard did one way back when - and there was at least
one other more recently, by Mansfield I think.

*DJH, of course, do a number of whitemetal/brass kits for Garratts
including a NSWGR 60 class and a SAR GMAM. Backwoods Miniatures do 009
etched kits of the SAR NGG16, Darjeeling Railway D class, and the
great-grandaddy of them all, the Tasmanian K1. But I doubt it's any of
these...
mindesign - 15 Jul 2005 13:46 GMT
sorry all ..... I saw it months ago and am not familiar with the range at
all ..... I will get further info and ask again. I have always loved them
but only really differentiate the very early ones with the late ones .....
as soon as I learn to actually "see" them I will never forget the
differences but being a British Steam modeller, garrats haven't been my
focus. Either way, if the loco is under 300 or so I will buy and repair it

Steve

> > Surely you can give better details on this Garratt (note correct
> > spelling) than that, like which class of Garratt is it? Its the same
[quoted text clipped - 10 lines]
> great-grandaddy of them all, the Tasmanian K1. But I doubt it's any of
> these...
mark_newton - 15 Jul 2005 13:57 GMT
> sorry all ..... I saw it months ago and am not familiar with the
> range at all ..... I will get further info and ask again. I have
> always loved them but only really differentiate the very early ones
> with the late ones ..... as soon as I learn to actually "see" them I
> will never forget the differences but being a British Steam modeller,
> garrats haven't been my focus.

No apologies necessary. But do let us know what it is, it sounds
interesting. I must confess a great weakness for Garratts, but you
probably guessed that already! :-)

All the best,

Mark.
mindesign - 15 Jul 2005 22:56 GMT
indeedie! Frankly I would love one of those very early ones (a model of
course) - they are so damn cute!

> > sorry all ..... I saw it months ago and am not familiar with the
> > range at all ..... I will get further info and ask again. I have
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>
> Mark.
mark_newton - 16 Jul 2005 12:23 GMT
> indeedie! Frankly I would love one of those very early ones (a model
> of course) - they are so damn cute!

You might find these of interest, then.

South African Railway GCA
http://www.djhengineering.co.uk/loco/prodloco.asp?ProdID=3068

British Industrial Garratt
http://www.backwoodsminiatures.com/stdgauge.htm

Darjeeling D class & Tasmanian K1
http://www.backwoodsminiatures.com/009kits.htm
mindesign - 17 Jul 2005 01:40 GMT
very interesting indeed! Little wonder people love 'em

Many thanks

Steve

> > indeedie! Frankly I would love one of those very early ones (a model
> > of course) - they are so damn cute!
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> Darjeeling D class & Tasmanian K1
> http://www.backwoodsminiatures.com/009kits.htm
Greg Rudd - 22 Jul 2005 01:13 GMT
On 16/7/05 9:23 pm, in article 42D8EE2B.7010209@optusnet.com.au,

>> indeedie! Frankly I would love one of those very early ones (a model
>> of course) - they are so damn cute!
[quoted text clipped - 9 lines]
> Darjeeling D class & Tasmanian K1
> http://www.backwoodsminiatures.com/009kits.htm

All boring foreign prototypes in the eyes of TWGM ;-) ROTFL But who cares
what he thinks.

Greg Rudd - 29 Jul 2005 14:43 GMT
>  > indeedie! Frankly I would love one of those very early ones (a model
>  > of course) - they are so damn cute!
[quoted text clipped - 9 lines]
> Darjeeling D class & Tasmanian K1
> http://www.backwoodsminiatures.com/009kits.htm

This is of even more interest

http://www.livesteaming.com/AD60 Garratt Construction.htm

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Technicians - 16 Jul 2005 00:35 GMT
<snip>
> No apologies necessary. But do let us know what it is, it sounds
> interesting. I must confess a great weakness for Garratts, but you
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
>
> Mark.

A great many of us have a weakness for these wonderfully ALIVE machines
and their seductive combination of mass and power.

At the Hot Pot run over the long weekend in Wollongong there were a few
articulated locos but only one Garratt.
michael - 16 Jul 2005 02:11 GMT
Please enlighten us, what is a "hot pot run"   cheers  mick.
> <snip>
> > No apologies necessary. But do let us know what it is, it sounds
[quoted text clipped - 10 lines]
> At the Hot Pot run over the long weekend in Wollongong there were a few
> articulated locos but only one Garratt.
mark_newton - 16 Jul 2005 12:12 GMT
> Please enlighten us, what is a "hot pot run"

The Illawarra Live Steamers annual bash, held over the June long
weekend. Visitors from live steam clubs all over Australia are invited
to bring a can of soup, run 5" trains, have a yarn and a great time.
Highly recommended.
Technicians - 17 Jul 2005 00:11 GMT
>  > Please enlighten us, what is a "hot pot run"
>
> The Illawarra Live Steamers annual bash, held over the June long
> weekend. Visitors from live steam clubs all over Australia are invited
> to bring a can of soup, run 5" trains, have a yarn and a great time.
> Highly recommended.

Yeah it was a great weekend. We had about 80-90 locos plus a few
electric and 'diesel' types there.

Check out the website Http://www.ils.org.au and follow the Hot Pot Run links
Great site that works best in IE, OK in Firefox & Netscape but there's a
glitch in Safari :(

Declared interest: I am a member of ILS. BTW the 'entry fee' is TWO cans
of soup (not tomato)
michael - 17 Jul 2005 02:39 GMT
Thanks for the website I found it most interesting, will visit soon, I
surpose events like the hot pot run are closed to us general public's?

> >  > Please enlighten us, what is a "hot pot run"
> >
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> Declared interest: I am a member of ILS. BTW the 'entry fee' is TWO cans
> of soup (not tomato)
Technicians - 18 Jul 2005 04:02 GMT
> Thanks for the website I found it most interesting, will visit soon, I
> surpose events like the hot pot run are closed to us general public's?
Unforthunately, yes. It's an insurance thing, these models DO have their
dangers.

If you come down introduce yourself to a member and someone will give
you a guided tour of the members' areas.

There are plans in the pipe for something similar in September - see the
150 Years of Steam link

I quote from there...
> An invitation is extended to Members of AALS Affiliated Clubs to come and join us in celebrating the 150th Anniversary of NSW Steam and
recognise the retired and current Railway Employees of the Illawarra Region.

>  Friday 23 and Saturday 24 have been set aside "as non-public" and restricted to Members of AALS Affiliated Clubs whilst Sunday 25 is our normal Public Running Day. Our guests are invited to participate in hauling the public.
Visitors on these days will see something extra (I hope)
William Whale - 16 Jul 2005 14:54 GMT
I remember quite a few years ago now Gerry Hopkins had an HO narrow gauge
Garratt which looked very much like (if it wasnt in fact) a VR G class (as
seen running today at "Puffing Billy"). Saw it at Camberwell on.... Franklin
County?
And at the Newcastle exhibition a few years ago there was a (painted) brass
G scale/gauge Garratt which literally had all the bells and whistles. Was
one of only a very small number made. It put in a guest appearance on Denis
Gilmor's large floor level G gauge layout. Have photos if anyone is
interested. Drop me a line.
At another exhibition, saw an 00 scale English Garratt, that one with the
rotating bunker which made it look like a steam-powered concrete mixer. I
think that was a DJH white metal kit.
................................Bill

--
"I have not said this. I am not here". -The Navigator

>  > Surely you can give better details on this Garratt (note correct
>  > spelling) than that, like which class of Garratt is it? Its the same
[quoted text clipped - 10 lines]
> great-grandaddy of them all, the Tasmanian K1. But I doubt it's any of
> these...
William Whale - 20 Jul 2005 13:14 GMT
Got an interesting private reply to my post. He meant to post it to the
group and invited me to pass it on.
Here it is, with a little bit more of interest from a second post.
.............................Bill

............................................................................
..............
> At another exhibition, saw an 00 scale English Garratt, that one with the
> rotating bunker which made it look like a steam-powered concrete mixer. I
> think that was a DJH white metal kit.

No. The LMS Garratt was done by Keyser (Ks). Their kit L32.  Probably still
available from Autocom (in UK) who bought the tools when K's went bust.  The
DJH Garratt is the LNER one 2-8-0+0-8-2, also still available, but only
direct from them.

I have been railway modelling for nigh on 60 years now.  Current layout is
4mm 16.5mm, LMS Northern Division (Scotland that is).

I also have an etched kit business now in its 22nd year. I have quite a few
customers in Oz and NZ.

Alistair Wright
'5522' Models and LMS Society
Melrose, Scotland

--
"I have not said this. I am not here". -The Navigator
> I remember quite a few years ago now Gerry Hopkins had an HO narrow gauge
> Garratt which looked very much like (if it wasnt in fact) a VR G class (as
[quoted text clipped - 27 lines]
> > great-grandaddy of them all, the Tasmanian K1. But I doubt it's any of
> > these...
 
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