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stan kern - 26 Jul 2004 15:00 GMT I am very new to this but would like some advice on my purchase. I would like to purchase something like the vigor cs 60 heli,rear rotor shaft driven ,i realize its probably quite expensive but i would like to fly and learn on the best.Are there simulators avaiable for specific helicopters,what qbout a program like flight sim 9 from microsoft,is there a way to set up the controls to mimmic the model controls? I am located in ontario. Would appreciate any info
Alex Bitomsky - 26 Jul 2004 15:25 GMT I have AeroFly Professional, it is great if you ask me.
> I am very new to this but would like some advice on my purchase. > I would like to purchase something like the vigor cs 60 heli,rear [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > I am located in ontario. > Would appreciate any info Olaf Greck - 26 Jul 2004 16:54 GMT Have a look at rc-sim:
http://www.rc-sim.de/index_en.htm
Yes there are model available for the various Sims.
best regards
Olaf
>I have AeroFly Professional, it is great if you ask me. > [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] >> I am located in ontario. >> Would appreciate any info Douglas Kaip - 26 Jul 2004 17:20 GMT > I am very new to this but would like some advice on my purchase. > I would like to purchase something like the vigor cs 60 heli,rear [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > I am located in ontario. > Would appreciate any info Hello Stan,
The Vigor CS is a great helicopter although it might not be the "best" anymore. If not though, it is still in the top ranks. This is a helicopter for "flying", not necessarily for scale stuff. I do not have experience to justify my thoughts on the scale stuff though.
You can start with a 60 sized machine. I did and I did not have any RC experience at the time. Just realize that WHEN you crash it will set you back quite a bit, probably in the USD $200.00 to USD $400.00 range per crash.
Since you are looking at the Vigor CS I will assume the money is much less of an object to you than to many people. If you are starting to think that money might be some object, I would suggest that you put a big chunk of money into getting high end radio gear and electronics ( doesn't have to be the "best" though ) to start with and get less helicopter. Perhaps a Raptor 50 or a Voyager 50. With these helicopters you will have one that has a lot of potential, but, is MUCH less expensive than the Vigor to repair, the Raptor being considerably cheaper than the Voyager. If money is truly not much concern get the Vigor and the Raptor / Voyager. You always try out new stuff on the cheap one because it is capable and much cheaper to fly and fix.
If you are going with the Vigor I would suggest getting at least a 70 or 80 sized engine. You can go ahead and get the 90 / 91 size if you want. It should be pretty tame for quite a while since you will be running it rich for break in and hovering a lot in the near future.
What about a simulator? YES, get one. I think the two best ones at the moment are RealFlight G2 and Reflex. The RealFlight is getting long in the tooth graphics wise, but, will still serve your needs. I hear the Reflex is awesome, but, I have no experience with it. Just make sure you have enough computer / graphics card to run them. In the "high quality" settings I am sure they require a fair amount of grunt.
If you are still thinking Vigor check out FAQ section at http://www.curtisyoungblood.com
Good Luck,
Douglas Kaip
stan kern - 27 Jul 2004 05:20 GMT I appreciate your help ,what about going fo something like the raptor 50 off ebay "RAPTOR 30 (assembled) FUTABA 8UHFS + MORE!! NR never flown, all upgrades, just add fuel FULLY ASSEMBLED RAPTOR 30 CLASS HELICOPTER WITH UPGRADE TO 49bb & O.S. 32SX-H Engine. Very carefully built with CA and Loctite used where required. Bench trimmed and blades balanced by helicopter expert. Never started, no fuel ever in the tanks or engine. FUTABA 8UHFS 8 CHANNEL SUPER COMPUTER RADIO with five(5) S3001 servos, battery and receiver. Additional Hitec HS-525BB high speed servo for the tail. Helicopter Items/Upgrades in addition to standard parts: Telebee GR701 Heading Hold Gyro O.S. 32SX-H Engine 49bb Upgrade Metal Swashplate Stick Antenna Glow Plug Extension Header Tank with annodized aluminium mount Upgraded Custom Muffler Heli-Max Heli Pitch Gauge Heli Ball Link Pliers Kyosho Blade Balancer Raptor 30 Crash Kit Unassembled Great Planes Master Caddy Field Box plus: Hobbico Power Panel Hobbico Electric Fuel Pump & Recoil Fuel Tubing 6mm Hex Starter Extension Panel Ready Glow Plug Clip I'll even include Real Flight Deluxe R/C Simulator w/ Futaba interface. (everything you need except fuel!) Also included are other miscellaneous parts/items such as: blade holder, fuel line, tape, connectors, glow plugs. All manuals and original boxes included. Everything needed to start flying, other than fuel, is included. Save (1000's) under the actual costs of all the items. This is a great buy for someone that has the time to fly. My situation changed and I don't have the time to enjoy the hobby right now
Helicraz - 27 Jul 2004 06:29 GMT Personally, I have bad experience purchase a "never flown" + "brand new" in box from a auction site... so, for me.. I won't be buying anymore "never flown" things off web. On the contrary, (except for my 1st micro heli) my Raptors are all bought used, and cheap too, at less than half the price of a new raptor kit. Crashing is norm in this hobby, and repair is a jiffy as long as you have the know hows... so a used kit will work/look like brand new easily.
Raptor 30v2 is a good buy for a beginner. If money is no object, go for a Raptor 50 v2 instead. They cost almost the same, and many parts are identical too. But the 50v2 will take you further.
Do get an experience pilot to check and trim the heli before your first flight.. it will take away much frustration in learning.
> I appreciate your help ,what about going fo something like the raptor > 50 off ebay "RAPTOR 30 (assembled) FUTABA 8UHFS + MORE!! NR [quoted text clipped - 35 lines] > for someone that has the time to fly. My situation changed and I don't > have the time to enjoy the hobby right now me - 27 Jul 2004 09:26 GMT FWIW,
I am also new to all this helicoptering lark, and I have bought a Rap 50 V2 to learn on.
I bought it from a local model shop, and had them build it and check fly it before I collected it.
Reasoning for this approach was -
1. Buy local, and pay over the odds, which will allow me to walk in and ask silly questions / sort out odd issues as and when required.
2. Have it built for me, although I easily have the skill to build one, so that I know that whilst I am learning to fly that any strange behaviour is down to my thumbs, not the build.
3. Buy a Raptor, as the shop has experience of these, they recommend them (as do many others), spares are plentiful and reasonably priced both in the shop and at various places online.
4. Options on which Raptor were 30 / 50, V1 / V2. Initial thought was get a 50 if I can afford it, and make it a V2 if I can afford it. The only thing I couldn't do was get a 50V2 ARTF kit, which I would have preferred, so that I would have had some hands-on knowledge of all the bits before I tried flying.
So far, experiance has been good, bearing out some of my reasoning above. Initial flights vere terrifying, but fun. I have had an engine issue, which the local shop have been helpful with, and my initial crash repairs have allowed me to get that hands-on experience of rebuilding it !! Spares have been a reasonable price (crash repairs costing £20 - £40 so far). I ave had to wait for bits to come in at the local shop, which was disappointing.
Cheers
DA
> Personally, I have bad experience purchase a "never flown" + "brand new" > in box from a auction site... so, for me.. I won't be buying anymore [quoted text clipped - 50 lines] > > for someone that has the time to fly. My situation changed and I don't > > have the time to enjoy the hobby right now
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