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Do any model shops ever check their E-mail or give a toss about their customers??

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Joe landy - 18 Aug 2004 20:02 GMT
Dear group members.
I have E-mailed Leamington hobby centre over the past couple of weeks to ask
them a few questions about the upcoming competition, and about a few of
their products, but they have never replied. Does anyone know if they have
facilities for reading E-mail? I have even tried copying all mails to my
work's address to make sure they're actually being sent. They are, and still
I have no replies.
Considering I'm a customer and I pay their wages, I'm amazed at their
ignorance. I have tried on several occasions with no luck. I tried phoning
them today, and got no reply. Perhaps if they displayed their opening times
on their website I would know when to phone.
To be honest, I'd have expected a reply from ANYBODY I E-mailed within a
week ESPECIALLY A BUSINESS! Not answering the telephone is just incredible.
Anyway, subsequently, I will not be attending their competition day, and I
won't be buying anything from them. It never fails to astound me how model
shops really don't give a damn about their customers. I think they all want
us to visit their shops and just buy things which we can see on the shelves.
Well I'm sorry, but there are no helicopter-orientated shops in my area, and
I need a few particular spare parts for my models.
I tried Midland Helicopters this afternoon after waiting 2 weeks while they
re-locate to larger premises. To my amazement, they were closed.
I gave up e-mailing Midlands about 2 years ago, and have wondered why I
bother every time I deal with them.
Well, that only leaves a few shops left who sell the parts I require, and
the next on the list was Skyline models. The phone was answered immediately,
and within 3 mins 10 seconds, my parts were on their way. I even had to
enquire about a Futura SE Drive belt, as there is no part number shown in my
manual. Excellent friendly service Skyline, I'll be coming back to you again
and again.
In the meantime, perhaps the group can suggest some more useful and friendly
heli shops to me.
I require a supply of Robbe, Kyosho, X-Cell and JR Spares. I would also like
to extend my list of places to buy secondhand models. I live in
Peterborough, and would prefer to deal with shops based in the UK.
Friendly service would be a bonus, as would people who actually care about
selling me what I require. I'm not an unreasonable person, and if they can't
help me, I would simply like to be informed of such. I can then make my own
decisions as to where else to order from. Failing to reply to enquiries from
their own websites is very poor indeed. Is it any wonder I never order from
these places online?
I work as a purchaser of electronic components, control gear, and workshop
tooling. I deal with a wide range of industries, and often very specialist
and distant suppliers and I have never found any company so arrogant as
these model shops are. How Midland helicopters found the need to expand is
beyond me.
Industries with Attitudes of model shops would simply fall by the wayside.
The same would go for any company in the domestic consumer market.
I know some of the model shop owners monitor these groups, and I hope they
will begin to listen to the customer, or even respond to the customer.
Well here's your golden chance.

For all  group members,
Your helpful Comments and suggestions on where's best to shop will be warmly
welcomed.
Cheers.
Joe Landy (unable to fly till tomorrow when my Skyline order arrives!).
Peterborough
UK.

E-mail joelandyman <at> Postmaster.co.uk
All replied to my NTL address will be deleted due to excess Spam.
angrybob - 18 Aug 2004 19:37 GMT
Try E-RC in Bristol I have always had excelent service from them. I poped in
there a few weeks ago to say hello and was amazed, the place is bulging with
spares [i mean each spare in stock and some 10-20 deep of each individual
part - amazing] and kits everywhere, expeciallyy good for Robbe, Thunder
Tiger, Hyosho and JR which I have.

Bob
> Dear group members.
> I have E-mailed Leamington hobby centre over the past couple of weeks to ask
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> E-mail joelandyman <at> Postmaster.co.uk
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HeliMan - 18 Aug 2004 19:40 GMT
I seem to have invented a cross breed called Hyosho perhaps a merger of
Hirobo and Kyosho [the latter was the one i was refering to!]

> Try E-RC in Bristol I have always had excelent service from them. I poped in
> there a few weeks ago to say hello and was amazed, the place is bulging with
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> > E-mail joelandyman <at> Postmaster.co.uk
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Joe landy - 18 Aug 2004 20:49 GMT
Excellent, I'll try them when Skylines are out of stock, or will pop in when
I visit my sister in Bristol.
I have to admit, I have seen the E-RC adverts in the helimags, but their
name has always suggested to me that they're an internet-based company.
I will not deal with faceless, address-less internet companies anymore.
Hyosho sounds good. Hirobo quality at Kyosho prices? Perhaps the other way
round on some parts too!
Are E-RC quick and reasonably-priced postage wise too?
Cheers for your reply.
Joe Landy
Peterborough
UK.

> I seem to have invented a cross breed called Hyosho perhaps a merger of
> Hirobo and Kyosho [the latter was the one i was refering to!]
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> about
> > > selling me what I require. I'm not an unreasonable person, and if they

> > can't
> > > help me, I would simply like to be informed of such. I can then make my
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> > > E-mail joelandyman <at> Postmaster.co.uk
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Kevin - 18 Aug 2004 21:07 GMT
Can't speak about postage, but the times I have popped in E-RC were very
helpful.  When they didn't have the Kyosho spare I needed on the shelf they
broke a kit up!  That's what I call service.

My only critiscm on E-RC is that their website has never gone past the
"under construction" stage.  Can't have everything I suppose!

> Excellent, I'll try them when Skylines are out of stock, or will pop in when
> I visit my sister in Bristol.
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> > > > E-mail joelandyman <at> Postmaster.co.uk
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Beav - 19 Aug 2004 17:05 GMT
> Can't speak about postage, but the times I have popped in E-RC were very
> helpful.  When they didn't have the Kyosho spare I needed on the shelf they
> broke a kit up!  That's what I call service.

It is, but it's what most model shps will do WHEN YOU'RE THERE. When you're
NOT there however, things generally take on a whole other aspect. Skyline
models go balls out to help even if you're not at their shop though, and
THAT'S what I call service.

> My only critiscm on E-RC is that their website has never gone past the
> "under construction" stage.  Can't have everything I suppose!

If they're "E" something, then I would think that the "E" aspect would be
pretty important, assuming the "E" is for Electronic.

An "E" shop with poor E-ability sounds a bit like a pub 'bout beer to me.

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angrybob - 18 Aug 2004 22:05 GMT
Hi,

E-RC have always dispatched the same day that I have ordered, no problems
there.

Bob

> Excellent, I'll try them when Skylines are out of stock, or will pop in when
> I visit my sister in Bristol.
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> > > > E-mail joelandyman <at> Postmaster.co.uk
> > > > All replied to my NTL address will be deleted due to excess Spam.
angrybob - 18 Aug 2004 22:08 GMT
Sorry forgot postage - this has always been on the mark when comparing the
postage costs charged and that which is on the packet/package. for larger
stuff I recently paid 6.99 for next day delivery of a Millennium not bad
[came via Amtrak Couriers].

> Excellent, I'll try them when Skylines are out of stock, or will pop in when
> I visit my sister in Bristol.
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> > > > E-mail joelandyman <at> Postmaster.co.uk
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X5 - 18 Aug 2004 20:11 GMT
Leamington Hobby Centre is owned by Shun Brown who's day job is to fly 747's
for BA. The shop is a money making scheme. No discounts, poor service.
Lessons if you join his club at £25 hour and to top it all a club ran from
the shop which flouts every BMFA safety guideline going.

You fund his flying.

The website is not finished and has been unfinished for months. Its a hobby
for the owner not a business. Its the rest of us poor fools who pay
extortionate prices for poor service. Still he offered to do web pages in
FrontPage at £4 per page per month for any one willing to pay.

Why fund the R44 helicopter he flies? Go to a decent shop such as Skyline
and get a service.

I am not into hero worship of a one time national scale champion who tells
you that the only way is his way.

People at his flying site have been told not to promote other products (at
one time he said to someone don't tell people Raptors were good because the
shop only sold shuttles) or get thrown off the site.

Look forward to the WILDCAT day which is to happen shortly.

Don't be so impertinent as to await a reply from LHC, that is for the
privileged few in the inner circle of the Shun Brown wheel.

> Dear group members.
> I have E-mailed Leamington hobby centre over the past couple of weeks to ask
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> E-mail joelandyman <at> Postmaster.co.uk
> All replied to my NTL address will be deleted due to excess Spam.
Joe landy - 18 Aug 2004 21:44 GMT
Hehe. I didn't want to mention Sean brown myself, but now that you
have.....!
I've met him a few times, and subsequently been pushed out of the
conversation by a few of his other 'ring members' turning up!
I think we gave him a surprise when we turned up to a 'full-size-pilots'
only show (no, not helitech, but we went there too!). He probably didn't
know other modellers know other fullsize pilots too.
Anyway, I was interested in going to the wildcat day, and having a look
around his scale accessories on sale, but I'll forget about it now.
I didn't know he was into R44s now. Last time I looked, he was throwing his
R22 around like a child with a new toy. I'm sure he's not licensed to put on
airshows, and it's only a matter of time before there's an accident and he
loses everything.
Having seen his scale flying on his videos, I think I'd look elsewhere for
tuition.
I wasn't aware he was any sort of scale champion. Must have been in the
early days........
Anyway, Flying for me has been very slow this year, largely due to strong
winds (the wx, not me) and a high sunburn risk (the weather, not my
welding).
I was hoping to do some preventative maintenance on my futura, restore my
Concept DX to flying condition, begin on my Kavan Jet ranger restoration
project (with new mechanics, old ones missing!) and even buy some spares for
my Kalt GS alpha which is now in a Len Mount squirrel fuse, and represents
my local police helicopter. I was planning on flying this latter beauty at
Sean Brown's do, but I think I'll wait for the Loughborough meet, or
something similar.
Must remember to order some more fuel too.........
Cheers.
Joe.
Peterborough
UK.
E-mail joelandyman <at> postmaster.co.uk
73.

> Leamington Hobby Centre is owned by Shun Brown who's day job is to fly 747's
> for BA. The shop is a money making scheme. No discounts, poor service.
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> Don't be so impertinent as to await a reply from LHC, that is for the
> privileged few in the inner circle of the Shun Brown wheel.
X5 - 18 Aug 2004 21:51 GMT
Yep, He holds an ATPL helicopters but has no display Pilot authorisation
(Confirmed by the CAA today) all his displays at previous days have been
without authorisation. Still thats Shun, he's crossed swords with the CAA in
the past and Shun is beyond caring.

Shun will no doubt trash our hobby when there is an accident at one of his
shows.Thats either a full size or model accident.

He bought his R44 about a year ago, he traded up his R22.

Magnum Fuel from skyline is an excellent price and he delivers it too. The
fuel works very well.

Jerry from Wildcat and Shun are now members of that elite club, they have
both crashed Bell helicopters.(Ask the CAA)

As you guessed I am not one of the Shun Brown fan club, seen him be a prat
with both full size and models and put the hobby at question too many times
to be a member of his "fan" club.

In every hobby you have renegades, the danger is when they are rich and have
a hobby shop and flying club. They damage all of us when they feed their own
ego's. Then they go onto other hobbies.
> Hehe. I didn't want to mention Sean brown myself, but now that you
> have.....!
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> > Don't be so impertinent as to await a reply from LHC, that is for the
> > privileged few in the inner circle of the Shun Brown wheel.
Beav - 19 Aug 2004 17:08 GMT
> Hehe. I didn't want to mention Sean brown myself, but now that you
> have.....!
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> I didn't know he was into R44s now. Last time I looked, he was throwing his
> R22 around like a child with a new toy.

I remember reading about his "exploits" with a Lama which was for sale. He
made it pretty clear that he was interested in buying it, and in his (then)
column, almost said he had, but not quite. I wonder if he ever DID?Anyone
know?

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X5 - 19 Aug 2004 17:50 GMT
I remember the "story"

Had a bit of flying for free no doubt, He never did buy it..

> > Hehe. I didn't want to mention Sean brown myself, but now that you
> > have.....!
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> column, almost said he had, but not quite. I wonder if he ever DID?Anyone
> know?
Beav - 19 Aug 2004 20:14 GMT
> I remember the "story"
>
> Had a bit of flying for free no doubt, He never did buy it..

Now I know :-)

I must say I've enjoyed reading all about your pal. One of the good laughs
I've had on the 'net this week;)))

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X5 - 19 Aug 2004 21:24 GMT
Pal.... No pal of mine

> > I remember the "story"
> >
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> I must say I've enjoyed reading all about your pal. One of the good laughs
> I've had on the 'net this week;)))
Beav - 21 Aug 2004 01:37 GMT
> Pal.... No pal of mine

I'd got that bit figured out by he 2nd line of the first post :-))

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George - 19 Aug 2004 08:11 GMT
kinda like McDonald's, don't expect to see the same face again!!!!!!

Credit card's talk    People remain silent!

>Dear group members.
>I have E-mailed Leamington hobby centre over the past couple of weeks to ask
[quoted text clipped - 57 lines]
>E-mail joelandyman <at> Postmaster.co.uk
>All replied to my NTL address will be deleted due to excess Spam.
Paultek6 - 25 Aug 2004 04:12 GMT
Emailed a shop that was an hours dive on a wednesday to find out if they had a
hawk sport .their response yea we carry them.That Saturday I took a ride out
there and suddenly they sold the last one yesterday but had other brands.
HMMM the old bait and switch routine.
Ended up buying it on internet for same price including S&H.
And they wanna know why the online shops are hurting them
Beav - 25 Aug 2004 15:40 GMT
> Emailed a shop that was an hours dive on a wednesday

But only 6ft deep on Saturday :-)))

to find out if they had a
> hawk sport .their response yea we carry them.That Saturday I took a ride out
> there and suddenly they sold the last one yesterday but had other brands.
> HMMM the old bait and switch routine.
> Ended up buying it on internet for same price including S&H.
> And they wanna know why the online shops are hurting them

They'll learn.

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