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Model Forum / Radio Controlled / Helicopters / May 2005i can hover--now what?
after a few weeks in the back yard, i'm fairly proficient at hovering. took it to the park this morning and flew to about 50' alttitude and distance of 100'. my question is--how do i break away from tail-in flight? everytime i try something else, i get nervous and bring it back to original position. is there a good exercise i can perform to get comfortable with other positions of flight? thanks, gary > after a few weeks in the back yard, i'm fairly proficient at hovering. took > it to the park this morning and flew to about 50' alttitude and distance of [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > thanks, > gary Try something new in the simulator (safe and even you crashed - not cost for you :) FMS Free Sim - Simulator FREE download: www.flying-model-simulator.com When I started to train on nose-in hover, i put the training-cross on the heli again, and started from the ground. It worked for me. Bjarte Norway > after a few weeks in the back yard, i'm fairly proficient at hovering. > took it to the park this morning and flew to about 50' alttitude and [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > thanks, > gary I could fast forward flight towards myself (remembering to turn away long before it ever got close to me), but if I tried a nose-in hover I'd freak. One day a much more experienced person gave me the following tips and it worked for me. Start with altitude margin (for me it was 30-50'), and 100 or so feet away, nose in. Slowly hover it towards you, maintaining altitude margin, letting it get closer and closer to you. At any point where you get uncomfortable, apply some power and tail-whip it back around to tail-in and you recover. Repeat many times. Eventually you'll become more comfortable. His other tip was to focus on "if it leans right (from your perspective) while nose-in, move the stick right. Leans left, stick left." If you mentally set up for nose-in practice and focus on lean-right-stick-right/lean-left-stick-left, then it becomes a lot easier. Even though I can nose-in hover easily now, and right down to the ground, I'm still too chicken to try and take off in a nose-in attitude. Just need more practice. If you haven't checked this site, give it a read. There's a link on nose-in hovering (different than what I used, but the owner of the site has LOTS of experience). http://www.raptortechnique.com/progress_list.htm Good luck. Jim > after a few weeks in the back yard, i'm fairly proficient at hovering. took > it to the park this morning and flew to about 50' alttitude and distance of [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > thanks, > gary thanks jim and great technique page. just what i was looking for! gary >I could fast forward flight towards myself (remembering to turn away long > before it ever got close to me), but if I tried a nose-in hover I'd freak. [quoted text clipped - 43 lines] >> thanks, >> gary This is coming from a total newbie as I have just bunny hopped and slightly hovered my Raptor 50. I have done no nose in hovering yet, but my new heli buddy said that when I decide to try the one thing that helped him was to stand 90 degrees to the heli. Say you are looking forward with your transmitter, the heli would be to your left and nose in at you. This gives you a semi "tail in" feel, but the nose in attitude. Sounded to me like it should work. Cheers, Paul > >> after a few weeks in the back yard, i'm fairly proficient at hovering. > > took [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > >> thanks, > >> gary thanks for the tip, paul.. funny, i did try that today, with a small difference. started on my left, nose 90 degrees also, like both of us facing the same object in the distance. that worked fairly well, bringing it around in a pyramid, left-front-right. got too comfortable, a wind gust took it 20' up and i chop sticked as it started nosing in at me. i just finished repairing a z link, boom and rotor feather. total cost = $5.00. love the cheap and robust corona, but i'm thinking raptor 30 as batteries are a waiting game as they charge. i finally dialed in a new set of 4100 mah lipo's. i'm getting 20-25 minute flight time, but charge time is +/- 90 minutes. gary > This is coming from a total newbie as I have just bunny hopped and > slightly [quoted text clipped - 27 lines] >> >> thanks, >> >> gary A technique that has been recommended to me and I am working on at the moment is this. Imagine a line 10-12M in front and at right angles to you. Start reasonably high (say 50') at one of the line and hover sideways (tail-in) to the other end. Now come back. As you become comfortable, begin to turn the nose in the direction of the flight a little bit each time. So to start off it is still mostly tail in but as you get more comforatble you will get more and more side on. You will probably find one side easy then the other - just go at your own pace - at the moment I fly virtually side on right to left but at 45degs left to right. When you have become comfortable flying side on you then try to introduce a turn at the end rather than stopping and reversing direction. Again you might find you can only do this at one end to start off with. You will soon find yourself being able to fly a circuit in front of you and to be able to hover side on in either direction My instructor doesn't recommend nose-in hovering until you have mastered this. Cheers, Nigel Nigel Heather Wrote: > .......You will soon find yourself being able to fly a circuit in fron > of you and [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > Cheers, > Nigel I totally agree with this. I'm just learning nose in right now. start by hovering in front and then slowly yawing the heli until start to feel uncomfortable. Then hold it in that position and hove there until I am very confident, then yaw further and further. I anything happens, just hit the tail rotor and spin it around. Whil most would probably want a lot of altitude for this, I feel mor comfortable close to the heli (eco 8 @ very low headspeed). If you'r flying a lipoly doing 2600rpm, then stand WAY back :D OH, and make sure you do this from both sides. It will most likely b a lot harder from one side than the other. I tried forward fligh without first learning to nose in, and smashed a helicopter because o it. I would definately recommend learning nose in before doin circuits. Also, if you usually fly in the wind. Learn to do the above in th wind also. It's much different trying to nose in a helicopter that' bouncing all around than in still air. I find that nose in/sideways i the wind, I'm so focused on the cyclic that my collective may get out o hand. My helicopter goes up and down like a pogo stick with every gust I'm not going to try circuits until I can do a slow pirouette in hove and maintain complete control the entire time. Hope this helps. David B -- DavidB > after a few weeks in the back yard, i'm fairly proficient at hovering. > took it to the park this morning and flew to about 50' alttitude and [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > thanks, > gary Once you have mastered the Hover from Whatever angle the next logical step is to go off into a circuit, either left or right first, whichever you feel most comfortable with, but do try both...get the machine going into circuits and learn the difference in the controls then (there will be noticeable differences in normal forward flight as the rotor disc becomes more like a plane wing generating more lift and requiring less collective pitch / throttle to do so)...and then slow down & bring it all back to where you started...in the hover...get this cracked and you have got it...you are now a proper heli pilot.....Leave the fancy manouevres alone till you are confident with the normal stuff first. Regards........Mark. I bought a Corona last year. After crashing a few times, I gave up. Last week I bought a little indoor Lama. It was really easy to master. I straightened out the boom on the Corona and tried it again. I could hover! Once I master hovering with the tail to me. I think the next is hovering right and left. Then nose toward me. I assume it's like learning to fly fixed wing. When facing you, "feed the low wing". I have a used Raptor 30V1 coming tomorrow. Hopefully I'll be able to somewhat master that too. Bill L >after a few weeks in the back yard, i'm fairly proficient at hovering. took >it to the park this morning and flew to about 50' alttitude and distance of [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] >thanks, >gary |
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