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Adrian Smith - 31 Aug 2005 00:06 GMT
Hi Guys

I'm looking to buy a decent quality inverter 12v to 250v for our field.
Power output of between 2000-3000 watts.

Does anyone have any ideas regards good and bad suppliers and manufacturers.

Thanks in advance

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Peter Seddon - 31 Aug 2005 09:22 GMT
That is quite an input at 12v current for full output
(3000/(12*.9)=280Amps). I would go for a petrol driven type.

Regards Peter

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Adrian Smith - 31 Aug 2005 09:31 GMT
A generator does not suit our purpose unfortunately.

Yes we need a lot of battery power:-)

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Moonstone - 31 Aug 2005 18:02 GMT
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You could try www.maplin.co.uk for stuff like that. I bought a small 300W
12v invertor not long ago and it didn't cost that much. They drop their
prices quite often which is good, and can probably point you in the
direction of a good invertor source if they don't have one.

Good Luck
Moonstone - 31 Aug 2005 18:03 GMT
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InvertEr. Damn my spelling. I always put a bloody "o" in there. lol
156 SP3 - 31 Aug 2005 19:20 GMT
http://www.maplin.co.uk/Module.aspx?ModuleNo=45033&doy=31m8D

Maplin have the 1000W version on offer at the moment, £99.
Is the 3KW all into the same load, or could you use a few of these
seperately (not sure running them all from the same 12v battery would be a
good idea though).

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Adrian Smith - 31 Aug 2005 23:22 GMT
I looked at the maplin ones but they can't power an inductive load light
strip lights etc.

Thanks for pointing me there though.

You can normally discover on the net the best brands but I am having some
difficulty discovering this with inverters.

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Peter Seddon - 31 Aug 2005 20:15 GMT
Will an inverter not be electrically very noisey and give a poor
approximation to a sine wave that some devices may not like?

Regards Peter

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Doug McLaren - 31 Aug 2005 20:52 GMT
| Will an inverter not be electrically very noisey and give a poor
| approximation to a sine wave that some devices may not like?

The really cheap inverters use a square wave.
The better ones use a modified square wave.
The even better ones have a real sine wave.

More on that here --

  http://www.pcguide.com/ref/power/ext/ups/funcOutput-c.html

(In case it's not obvious, a UPS is just a charger, battery and
inverter all in one package, with some glue to switch over quickly
when needed.  It's not quite that simple, but it's close enough.)

Most devices work OK with a modified square wave.

It all depends on what sort of devices he's looking to run.

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Adrian Smith - 31 Aug 2005 23:26 GMT
It's to power tools and lights and maybe the odd laptop. Must be able to
power inductive loads.

A modified sine wave will be good enough but all modified sine waves are not
equal.

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Doug McLaren - 31 Aug 2005 19:52 GMT
| I'm looking to buy a decent quality inverter 12v to 250v for our field.
| Power output of between 2000-3000 watts.

Do you really need that much power?

To get 2000 watts out of a 12 volt battery requires drawing 166 amps,
and that's assuming 100% efficiency.  (Apparantly the good ones are
over 90% efficient, so apparantly efficiency isn't too bad.)

But 166 amps is a lot.  You'll need a bank of 12 volt batteries and
something to charge them if you expect to use this for any length of
time.  (Most car batteries can do 166 amps, but only for a few
seconds.)

Even a 50 watt solar panel (50 watts in full direct sunlight, I might
add, which you won't get for long as the sun moves across the sky
unless you have some sort of tracking system) isn't cheap.  (Or were
you going to charge the batteries in some other way?)

And if this is all kept out at a somewhat isolated flying field, it's
going to be an attactive target for thieves, being quite expensive.

Maybe you'll need to use your hair dryers (1500 watts) at home rather
than at the field :)

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Moonstone - 31 Aug 2005 20:26 GMT
> | I'm looking to buy a decent quality inverter 12v to 250v for our field.
> | Power output of between 2000-3000 watts.
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> than at the field :)

And if you REALLY want an inverter, have a look at these as a guide. They
aint cheap for the power output you require.
http://www.bullnet.co.uk/shops/test/inverter.htm
Adrian Smith - 31 Aug 2005 23:28 GMT
I know, I've done the calculation. It's a lot of current.

Thanks for the link I'll give them a call tomorrow and ask for their specs.

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> http://www.bullnet.co.uk/shops/test/inverter.htm
 
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