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Model Forum / Radio Controlled / Helicopters / December 2005Two more questions (sorry!)
Hi all, 1. In a hover with the nose directly into the wind, my Raptor 50v2 needs substantial right cyclic trim. I know that this is required to offset the tail rotor thrust. At present the swashplate is level if I take the trim off and center the stick, and the aileron servo is centered, with no subtrim and the rod lengths set to the correct lengths. Is it reasonable to make a mechanical adjustment so that some of the trim is "built in" to the cyclic? 2. My receiver NiMH battery charger does not have a keyed connector - it only has two bare prongs to plug into the charging adapter on the heli (or the battery directly, if I take it out.) Now I KNOW I'm to plug the red side to the red, and the black to the black, but I'm curious as to the likely result if someone (say, one of the kids) switches things around. It seems to me that the possibilites include: a) the charger has some form of overcurrent protection, and either beeps, flashes a light, or just stops working (until a fuse is changed). b) things get _really_ hot. If we're very lucky, the house doesn't burn down. c) for a brief while, a small suburb of Melbourne, Australia, outshines the rest of the galaxy in an explosion that makes a supernova look like a candle in a fog. Anyone have any ideas? (for possibilities b and c I don't want to try this myself...) The charger comes from LiON electronics (model PG 130); their website doesn't provide this information! Gerard There's no such thing as a stupid question. There are only stupid people... > Hi all, > [quoted text clipped - 36 lines] > There's no such thing as a stupid question. There are only stupid > people... If reversing the polarity causes a nuclear style explotion and assuming you survive please let me know and I will try it here:-) Seriously.. If your charger is any good it will let you know that the polarity is reversed. If your worried that your kids will get it wrong and burn your house down then the best bet is to try it and see what happens. If it all catches fire then buy a decent charger. You should not adjust the trim for wind conditions as the wind will be coming from the the other direction when you hover nose in.  SignatureAdrian Smith www.YourStadium.com Superb aerial pictures of UK football stadiums. >If reversing the polarity causes a nuclear style explotion and assuming you >survive please let me know and I will try it here:-) While I'd not like to experience a pseudo-nucular (sic) explosion, video would be friggin' cool! >Seriously.. If your charger is any good it will let you know that the >polarity is reversed. If your worried that your kids will get it wrong and >burn your house down then the best bet is to try it and see what happens. If >it all catches fire then buy a decent charger. and a fire extinguisher. >You should not adjust the trim for wind conditions as the wind will be >coming from the the other direction when you hover nose in. I think the OP was referring to trimming out the translating tendency, not correcting for crosswinds. Real helos are rigged or designed to compensate for that translating tendency. Stands to reason a model could be trimmed accordingly. >>If reversing the polarity causes a nuclear style explotion and assuming >>you [quoted text clipped - 18 lines] > compensate for that translating tendency. Stands to reason a model > could be trimmed accordingly. There's a difference between "rigging" the angle of the rotor mast within the fuselage to counteract translating tendency while still maintaining a level flight deck and setting in a cyclic correction in an attempt to do the same thing. Model helicopters don't, as a general rule (at least I've not found one that did), rig the mast to allow for such things. The amount of cyclic trim the model requires to hold a stable hover is, IMO, effected more by the CG of the aircraft than it is by issues like translating tendency. A stable hover, in this case, is one that does not "tend" to drift off in the same direction all the time. Once the model is set such that this doesn't happen, it's then up to the pilot to establish the correct "lean" of the rotor disk to counter issues like translating tendency. The model should sit there for the most part after that. Of course, "getting" that precise lean angle is the challenge. As with all things related to flying rotorcraft, especially helicopters, finesse and precision are the key words of the day and learning to "see" it, is the fun part! :-) Fly Safe, Steve R. >>If reversing the polarity causes a nuclear style explotion and assuming you >>survive please let me know and I will try it here:-) [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] > compensate for that translating tendency. Stands to reason a model > could be trimmed accordingly. You are correct, I am not suggesting an attempt to correct for crosswind. Regarding the charger, I admit to possibly having been just a little pessimistic in making suggestion C (the supernova), but I don't want to risk damaging a charger and (moderately expensive) battery. I guess the real question is: do chargers generally have polarity/overcurrent protection built in? Gerard >>>If reversing the polarity causes a nuclear style explotion and assuming >>>you [quoted text clipped - 29 lines] > > Gerard If the charger is any good it will have over voltage/current and reverse polarity protection. In the interests of curiosity I tried it (reverse polarity) on my charger and it cut out immediately. Sorry misunderstood about crosswind. You could trim by adjusting the links, personally I trim using the transmitter. But then I'm no expert so.... SignatureAdrian Smith www.YourStadium.com Superb aerial pictures of UK football stadiums. >>>>If reversing the polarity causes a nuclear style explotion and assuming you >>>>survive please let me know and I will try it here:-) [quoted text clipped - 33 lines] > Sorry misunderstood about crosswind. You could trim by adjusting the links, personally I trim using the transmitter. But then I'm > no expert so.... No problem about the misunderstanding. Sorry I wasn't clearer. I guess I'm just a little surprised that since the translation bias is relatively predictable, and since it means that the 'aileron' servo system generally operates from a baseline which is offset from its optimum (ie: servo arms perpendicular to the control rods), more people don't make a mechanical adjustment. Since 'evolutionary' processes tend to eliminate practices that just don't work out, I can only presume that a mechanical offset falls into this category. I am but an egg... Gerard >> Hi all, >> [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] >> Is it reasonable to make a mechanical adjustment so that some of the trim >> is "built in" to the cyclic? > You should not adjust the trim for wind conditions as the wind will be > coming from the the other direction when you hover nose in. Of course you should. When you've reached the point where you're about to learn to fly nose-in, you'll even be able to trim the heli while it's flying (amazingly). Then you can trim to fly nose in. SignatureBeav Reply to "beavis dot original at ntlworld dot com" (with the obvious changes) >> You should not adjust the trim for wind conditions as the wind will be >> coming from the the other direction when you hover nose in. > > Of course you should. When you've reached the point where you're about to > learn to fly nose-in, you'll even be able to trim the heli while it's > flying (amazingly). Then you can trim to fly nose in. Are you saying that you should adjust the trim of your heli constantly during a flight to compensate for the direction it's pointing and traveling? SignatureAdrian Smith www.YourStadium.com Superb aerial pictures of UK football stadiums. >>> You should not adjust the trim for wind conditions as the wind will be >>> coming from the the other direction when you hover nose in. [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > during a flight to compensate for the direction it's pointing and > traveling? I'm more interested in why you think you shouldn't. For any given change in airspeed, there's a corresponding change in airlflow over the rotor disc and this will result in a change in the asymmetrical lift, so trimming is required. If you want to hover with a side wind, you'll need to trim FOR that wind, or the heli will drift with the wind, so you trim or you end up holding roll cyclic in. Turn the heli nose in and the wind is now "working" on the opposite side of the heli, so re-trimming is necessary if you want to hold position for any length of time, so why not trim? This obviously doesn't apply to pirouette manoeuvres, but I don't see the point in holding the stick off centre when there's a trim lever just below it. SignatureBeav Reply to "beavis dot original at ntlworld dot com" (with the obvious changes) >>>> You should not adjust the trim for wind conditions as the wind will be >>>> coming from the the other direction when you hover nose in. [quoted text clipped - 22 lines] > point in holding the stick off centre when there's a trim lever just below > it. My point was that you should not adjust the link rods to compensate for wind conditions. I misunderstood the original question, too much JD:-) SignatureAdrian Smith www.YourStadium.com Superb aerial pictures of UK football stadiums. >>>>> You should not adjust the trim for wind conditions as the wind will be >>>>> coming from the the other direction when you hover nose in. [quoted text clipped - 25 lines] > My point was that you should not adjust the link rods to compensate for > wind conditions. No, but you should adjust them to trim the model for zero wind conditions. This WILL tilt the swash a few degrees (usually to the right on our models) but it stops the heli drfting to the left due to translating tendency. > I misunderstood the original question, too much JD:-) He's a f.cker he is :-) SignatureBeav Reply to "beavis dot original at ntlworld dot com" (with the obvious changes) >For any given change in airspeed, there's a corresponding change in airlflow >over the rotor disc and this will result in a change in the asymmetrical >lift, so trimming is required. Disymmetry of lift is compensated for by blade bending in all the RC helos I've seen since they're all rigid systems. Anyone ever develop a semi-rigid system to let blade flapping take care of DoL? >If you want to hover with a side wind, you'll need to trim FOR that wind, or >the heli will drift with the wind, so you trim or you end up holding roll >cyclic in. Turn the heli nose in and the wind is now "working" on the >opposite side of the heli, so re-trimming is necessary if you want to hold >position for any length of time, so why not trim? I think the OP was referring to the trim necessary for compensate for the helicopter's translating tendency. When I was flying the old JR 50 back in the 90s, I set up the helicopter to tilt the disc a little to the left with neutral stick. >This obviously doesn't apply to pirouette manoeuvres, but I don't see the >point in holding the stick off centre when there's a trim lever just below >it. I don't have a lever. I have a couple buttons.. :) (Futaba 9C) >>For any given change in airspeed, there's a corresponding change in >>airlflow [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > helos I've seen since they're all rigid systems. Anyone ever develop > a semi-rigid system to let blade flapping take care of DoL? Anyone ever developed a blade for a model heli that actually bends? >>If you want to hover with a side wind, you'll need to trim FOR that wind, >>or [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > I think the OP was referring to the trim necessary for compensate for > the helicopter's translating tendency. I wasn't sure, but I covered that with my post to Adrian. When I was flying the old JR > 50 back in the 90s, I set up the helicopter to tilt the disc a little > to the left with neutral stick. You actually set it up to tilt the disc to the right. It's a clockwise rotator and it should (does) hand right skid low in a hover:-)) >>This obviously doesn't apply to pirouette manoeuvres, but I don't see the >>point in holding the stick off centre when there's a trim lever just below >>it. > > I don't have a lever. I have a couple buttons.. :) (Futaba 9C) Shite idea that. Give me a set of reeds ANY day :-) SignatureBeav Reply to "beavis dot original at ntlworld dot com" (with the obvious changes) >Anyone ever developed a blade for a model heli that actually bends? I'll bet they bend.. it'd certainly be interesting to get a high speed camera and shoot some film to see.. >You actually set it up to tilt the disc to the right. It's a clockwise >rotator and it should (does) hand right skid low in a hover:-)) Yep, you're right.. Had to look at the JR and the Raptor to verify tho.. I guess I'm "stuck" on the US made full scale dynamics... >> I don't have a lever. I have a couple buttons.. :) (Futaba 9C) > >Shite idea that. Give me a set of reeds ANY day :-) Yeah, it's kinda difficult to mess with 'em without looking to see a) where the damned things are and b) where the trim indicator is.. >>Anyone ever developed a blade for a model heli that actually bends? > > I'll bet they bend.. it'd certainly be interesting to get a high > speed camera and shoot some film to see.. It is interesting that the thread has drifted off into this direction, forestalling another "n more stupid questions (sorry!)" post in the near future. While model heli rotor systems are undeniably rigid(ish) (ie: do not have a teeter system with a specific tilt axis on the mast) I note that the Raptor has "flap dampers" - you guys I'm sure use the "hard" ones, I'm still on the "soft". I believe (footnote 1) that the arrangement of thrust bearings etc in the main rotor hub provide for a (small) degree of flapping. Clearly, some degree of flapping _must_ be happening because otherwise it would be necessary to hold left cyclic to prevent a roll to the right during forward flight. Footnotes: 1: but I might be wrong... Also, I'm on the wooden blades, which are quite flexible. CF blades are clearly going to be a lot stiffer. 2: this is an unreferenced footnote. If you are reading this, an error has occurred. Gerard >>>Anyone ever developed a blade for a model heli that actually bends? >> [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > of thrust bearings etc in the main rotor hub provide for a (small) > degree of flapping. Not from the thrust bearings, but from the spindle in the rubbers, and strangely, hard rubbers don't make a LOT of difference in the "flying of", but they DO make a difference in the "reduced damage to" the heli. They do make a diff, but it's a lot less than many think, but if you happen to have a little back stick held in when you land, the hard rubbers will go "some" way to stopping a boom strike. Not guaranteed (well, is anything?) but you get a tad more leeway. > Clearly, some degree of flapping _must_ be happening because > otherwise it would be necessary to hold left cyclic to prevent a > roll to the right during forward flight. Flapping's happening all the time. > Footnotes: > 1: but I might be wrong... > Also, I'm on the wooden blades, which are quite flexible. CF > blades are clearly going to be a lot stiffer. And lot more expensive when they break. And don't be lead into believing that woodies are crap. The world speed record (held by Dave Whitney of NHP) was won with wooden blades and it still stands in the books as no-one has gone through the correct process to lift it "legally". SignatureBeav Reply to "beavis dot original at ntlworld dot com" (with the obvious changes) >>>>Anyone ever developed a blade for a model heli that actually bends? >>> [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > > Not from the thrust bearings, but from the spindle in the rubbers, and ... Oops, just looked again at the Raptor - you are of course correct. This effectively gives the Raptor a "teetering hinge" design. > strangely, hard rubbers don't make a LOT of difference in the "flying of", but they DO make a difference in the "reduced damage > to" the heli. They do make a diff, but it's a lot less than many think, but if you happen to have a little back stick held in when > you land, the hard rubbers will go "some" way to stopping a boom strike. Not guaranteed (well, is anything?) but you get a tad > more leeway. I thought boomstrike occurred (in models, maybe not in big helis) when the rotor speed was too low to hold the blade straight out and the blade swung in its holder. (Movement around the feathering axis then permits the arc of the blade to intersect the boom.) Ride safely, Gerard > I thought boomstrike occurred (in models, maybe not in big helis) > when the rotor speed was too low to hold the blade straight out [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > Gerard Boom strikes can happen for a number of reasons. They can happen easier in full size birds than they do in models. I've seen "many" 1:1 scale ships with the tail booms lopped off through the years. Most models don't allow enough flapping for the rotor disk to intersect the tail boom strictly because of that effect. You do mention one reason (sort of) why boom strikes occur, "keeping the blade straight in the blade holder!" In models, more boom strikes occur because the rotor blades are too loose in the blade holders. Rotor blades should be tight enough in the blade holders to that, with the model held on it's side, they don't droop down with gravity. I even lightly bounce the machine to see if that makes any difference and run them "just" snug enough so that they hold position. Keep em at least that tight and you'll greatly reduce the chance of a boom strike. Fly Safe, Steve R. >>>>>Anyone ever developed a blade for a model heli that actually bends? >>>> [quoted text clipped - 18 lines] > Oops, just looked again at the Raptor - you are of course correct. > This effectively gives the Raptor a "teetering hinge" design. The same rubbers also account for lead/lag variations, so the design is pretty clever on these model things:-) >> strangely, hard rubbers don't make a LOT of difference in the "flying >> of", but they DO make a difference in the "reduced damage to" the heli. [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > when the rotor speed was too low to hold the blade straight out > and the blade swung in its holder. That CAN happen very easily if the setup uis crap, or you're running a fixed pitch machine. With modern heli specific radio's (anything beyond the early 80's), once the relationship between throttle and collective is sorted, and the grips are tightened sufficiently, it's not a problem under power. It can still be a problem at the end of an auto when the rotor speed is low and the blade pitch is high though. (Movement around the feathering > axis then permits the arc of the blade to intersect the boom.) Doesn't it just:-)) The blades can even hook UNDER the horizontal stabiliser. > Ride safely, And f.cking quickly:-) SignatureBeav Reply to "beavis dot original at ntlworld dot com" (with the obvious changes) >I thought boomstrike occurred (in models, maybe not in big helis) >when the rotor speed was too low to hold the blade straight out >and the blade swung in its holder. (Movement around the feathering >axis then permits the arc of the blade to intersect the boom.) This is exactly how it happens in a full size heli. Low rotor RPM doesn't provide enough centrifugal force to keep the blades in plane and the extreme pitch angle required to maintain lift causes huge flapping movements.. Retreating blade flaps down so low it chops off the tailboom.. >>Anyone ever developed a blade for a model heli that actually bends? > > I'll bet they bend.. it'd certainly be interesting to get a high > speed camera and shoot some film to see.. I think the head flexes more than the blades bend. The blade rigidity is massively out of proportion to their size, but the feathering spindle can move a lot, particularly when the rubber dampers get knackered. >>You actually set it up to tilt the disc to the right. It's a clockwise >>rotator and it should (does) hand right skid low in a hover:-)) > > Yep, you're right.. Had to look at the JR and the Raptor to verify > tho.. I guess I'm "stuck" on the US made full scale dynamics... Think "Rotorway" :-))) >>> I don't have a lever. I have a couple buttons.. :) (Futaba 9C) >> >>Shite idea that. Give me a set of reeds ANY day :-) > > Yeah, it's kinda difficult to mess with 'em without looking to see a) > where the damned things are and b) where the trim indicator is.. I hate digital trims and always have. SignatureBeav Reply to "beavis dot original at ntlworld dot com" (with the obvious changes) >I think the head flexes more than the blades bend. The blade rigidity is >massively out of proportion to their size, but the feathering spindle can >move a lot, particularly when the rubber dampers get knackered. I wonder if the blade grips offer up some bending as well... Anyone got a high-speed video camera I can borrow for a weekend??? >>>You actually set it up to tilt the disc to the right. It's a clockwise >>>rotator and it should (does) hand right skid low in a hover:-)) [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > >Think "Rotorway" :-))) I'd love to build/fly a Rotorway.. I'd love to do the turbine conversion too.. Just as soon as I win the lottery (or find a rich old lady with a heart condition that I can throw a surprise birthday party for. ehheh) >I hate digital trims and always have. This radio is annoying me.. Been playing with the programming a bit and it's like driving a garmin GPS.. menus within menus within menus... >>I think the head flexes more than the blades bend. The blade rigidity is >>massively out of proportion to their size, but the feathering spindle can >>move a lot, particularly when the rubber dampers get knackered. > > I wonder if the blade grips offer up some bending as well... Anyone > got a high-speed video camera I can borrow for a weekend??? You don't need a video Kev, just the same heli set up with two differences. One with fairly free swinging blades (lead/lag) and plastic blade holders, then the same heli with machined from solid ali blade holders and the blades held rigidly be virtue of the fact that the bolt is tightened all the way to "two grnts and a fart's worth of torque" You'll see that the ridig set up completely changes the feel of the heli and the speed at which it responds to cyclic inputs. >>>>You actually set it up to tilt the disc to the right. It's a clockwise >>>>rotator and it should (does) hand right skid low in a hover:-)) [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > I'd love to build/fly a Rotorway.. I'd love to do the turbine > conversion too.. A friend of mine is currently going through the process of deciding on either an Exec or (what used to be) the Baby Bell. I believe it's called a "Safari" these days. I prefer the Bell lookalike and the fact that is uses a Lycoming engine. Just as soon as I win the lottery (or find a rich > old lady with a heart condition that I can throw a surprise birthday > party for. ehheh) Sugar mommies aren't thick on the grund though:( >>I hate digital trims and always have. > > This radio is annoying me.. Been playing with the programming a bit > and it's like driving a garmin GPS.. menus within menus within > menus... Overcomplicated for no real good reason, you mean? I've had issues with that kind of thinking for a long time. The modern radio's are absolutely superb, but they've taken a lot away from the flying. People these days would have serious trouble flying if the radio's were less "capable" and things like gyro's and governors didn't exist. That's not to say these things aren't good, coz they are, but they have taken away as much as they've given IMO. SignatureBeav Reply to "beavis dot original at ntlworld dot com" (with the obvious changes) > A friend of mine is currently going through the process of deciding on > either an Exec or (what used to be) the Baby Bell. I believe it's called a > "Safari" these days. I prefer the Bell lookalike and the fact that is uses > a Lycoming engine. Yup, Safari! It's the same machine, just a different name. I'd heard that Bell Helicopter didn't like the reference and made them (Canadian Home Rotors, I think?) change the name. >>>I hate digital trims and always have. >> >> This radio is annoying me.. Been playing with the programming a bit >> and it's like driving a garmin GPS.. menus within menus within >> menus... Haven't caught the entire conversation so don't know which radio you're talking about. > Overcomplicated for no real good reason, you mean? I've had issues with > that kind of thinking for a long time. The modern radio's are absolutely [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > things aren't good, coz they are, but they have taken away as much as > they've given IMO. Can't argue with that. New guys coming up through the ranks don't have a clue how to properly set throttle and pitch curves. Revolution mixing? What's that? Can you imagine any of them getting a handle on "acceleration" mixing for the tail rotor? ;-) Don't get me wrong, I love HH gyros and governors, I use them, but I can also properly set the machine up without them too! In fact, I do, which makes fine tuning the computer transmitters that much easier! Fly Safe, Steve R. >> A friend of mine is currently going through the process of deciding on >> either an Exec or (what used to be) the Baby Bell. I believe it's called [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > that Bell Helicopter didn't like the reference and made them (Canadian > Home Rotors, I think?) change the name. I believe you're right on the name Steve and on the reason for the cange too. >>>>I hate digital trims and always have. >>> [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > Haven't caught the entire conversation so don't know which radio you're > talking about. Any with digital trims will do me. I'd shove it straight in the trash:) >> Overcomplicated for no real good reason, you mean? I've had issues with >> that kind of thinking for a long time. The modern radio's are absolutely [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > What's that? Can you imagine any of them getting a handle on > "acceleration" mixing for the tail rotor? ;-) Haha, not a f.cking chance:-) > Don't get me wrong, I love HH gyros and governors, I use them, but I can > also properly set the machine up without them too! In fact, I do, which > makes fine tuning the computer transmitters that much easier! I use both too, but if either of them suddenly ceased to exist, I wouldn't have a single problem flying. In fact I'd enjoy the solitude at the field. SignatureBeav Reply to "beavis dot original at ntlworld dot com" (with the obvious changes) >You don't need a video Kev, just the same heli set up with two differences. >One with fairly free swinging blades (lead/lag) and plastic blade holders, [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] >You'll see that the ridig set up completely changes the feel of the heli and >the speed at which it responds to cyclic inputs. I have enough trouble hovering in the same general acre to "see" anything at this point.. ehehhe This nose-in stuff is frustrating... >A friend of mine is currently going through the process of deciding on >either an Exec or (what used to be) the Baby Bell. I believe it's called a >"Safari" these days. I prefer the Bell lookalike and the fact that is uses a >Lycoming engine. The gouge at Heli-Expo last year was that the Rotorway engine and it's FADEC control was a pretty decent setup... Lycoming does build a solid engine, but the technology is decades old. Speaking of Lycoming engines.. Took daughter number 1 flying this morning.. We were going to go have breakfast and about 5 mins after pickup, the helicotper starts shaking more than usual. I turn back and as I'm on final, the damn engine is surging and I'm having a helluva time dancing on the pedals to keep it straight.. Got it set down ok and had the chief pilot look at it.. Either a spark plug lead short or a stuck valve.. Not a fun way to start the day.. >Sugar mommies aren't thick on the grund though:( I only need one - and not for very long. :) >Overcomplicated for no real good reason, you mean? I've had issues with that >kind of thinking for a long time. The modern radio's are absolutely superb, >but they've taken a lot away from the flying. People these days would have >serious trouble flying if the radio's were less "capable" and things like >gyro's and governors didn't exist. That's not to say these things aren't >good, coz they are, but they have taken away as much as they've given IMO. Yeah.. Stuff isn't where you'd think it should be and the navigation is a bit clunky as well.. I agree with you in regards to radio capabilities these days - they kind of take away the challenge a bit. I've never flown with a HH gyro until I got the Blade up and running and have never flown with a governor at all... I'm pretty sure the old JR wasn't set up properly as I was it's third owner and I pretty much filled it up and flew it from day one. I did ok for the gallon or so I ran through it... Still wish I had time to really get the Raptor dialed in.. I can't seem to get a few hours all in a row to just work at it.. >>You don't need a video Kev, just the same heli set up with two >>differences. [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > I have enough trouble hovering in the same general acre to "see" > anything at this point.. ehehhe This nose-in stuff is frustrating... You'd still be able to feel the diff Kev, it really is THAT noticable. For some thoough, the hard setup is too precise and thus requires too much flyer input. Very little (if any) natural tendency for the blades to fnd the horixontal with just the flybar input doing the stabilising. >>A friend of mine is currently going through the process of deciding on >>either an Exec or (what used to be) the Baby Bell. I believe it's called a [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > FADEC control was a pretty decent setup... Lycoming does build a > solid engine, but the technology is decades old. I've got a thing about FADEC though, after all the problems with the Chinook. Stories abound about that heli, but I've heard the same as you about the R/W. Good stuff with very few horror stories. > Speaking of Lycoming engines.. Took daughter number 1 flying this > morning.. We were going to go have breakfast and about 5 mins after [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > down ok and had the chief pilot look at it.. Either a spark plug lead > short or a stuck valve.. Not a fun way to start the day.. But it keeps you sharp, specially when you're carrying the girl-chic. Anyway, I'm glad you both got down Ok. >>Sugar mommies aren't thick on the grund though:( > > I only need one - and not for very long. :) Yeah, I reckon keeping up with enouigh to REALLY feather a nest would be back breaking work:-) >>Overcomplicated for no real good reason, you mean? I've had issues with >>that [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > is a bit clunky as well.. I agree with you in regards to radio > capabilities these days - they kind of take away the challenge a bit. As do simulators, but would I say it was a bad thing? No way. Ok, I learned without the benefit of any of the computer driven stuff, but it was BLOODY hard work and frighteningly expensive and I began teaching FNG's so they wouldn't have to go through a 1/10th of the grief and cost I had to. The "fit and forget" radio's and the computer sims have made heli's accessible to just about anyone with the enthusiasm to give 'em a go and that's got to be a good thing. I'm all for it, despite my grumpy old fart comments:-)) > I've never flown with a HH gyro until I got the Blade up and running > and have never flown with a governor at all... I'm pretty sure the [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > Raptor dialed in.. I can't seem to get a few hours all in a row to > just work at it.. I know the feeling. SignatureBeav Reply to "beavis dot original at ntlworld dot com" (with the obvious changes) >You'd still be able to feel the diff Kev, it really is THAT noticable. For >some thoough, the hard setup is too precise and thus requires too much flyer >input. Very little (if any) natural tendency for the blades to fnd the >horixontal with just the flybar input doing the stabilising. I'll take your word for it for now.. I *FINALLY* got 2 hours of uninterrupted time today and got the Raptor's radio installed properly. Everything is nice and orderly now.. Just gotta peel these stupid pink stickers off the canopy and paint it.. Just gotta find my air brush and hit up the local PPG store for some paint. >I've got a thing about FADEC though, after all the problems with the >Chinook. Stories abound about that heli, but I've heard the same as you >about the R/W. Good stuff with very few horror stories. I life the "feel" of the thing too. Spent about 30 minutes in one talking to one of the factory reps at Heli Expo last Feb. Wish I had $60k lying around.. I'd be buying parts.. >But it keeps you sharp, specially when you're carrying the girl-chic. >Anyway, I'm glad you both got down Ok. Yeah, she was a bit shaken up by the whole thing.. I don't think me screaming, "WE'RE GONNA DIE!!!" helped much. ehehhehe >Yeah, I reckon keeping up with enouigh to REALLY feather a nest would be >back breaking work:-) It's a dirty job....... >As do simulators, but would I say it was a bad thing? No way. Ok, I learned >without the benefit of any of the computer driven stuff, but it was BLOODY [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] >to just about anyone with the enthusiasm to give 'em a go and that's got to >be a good thing. I'm all for it, despite my grumpy old fart comments:-)) I actually hacked myself a copy of that old Skylark sim back in the early 90s and had a go at that.. It wasn't bad for what it was, but it was nothing like the real thing. I did join a local club and I'm going to have one of the helo guys verify mysetup before I go it alone with the Raptor. In the meantime, I've got to get this $%^%& blade grip off the Blade so I can see WTF is up with the end play... >> I've never flown with a HH gyro until I got the Blade up and running >> and have never flown with a governor at all... I'm pretty sure the [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > >I know the feeling. I'm seriously thinking about taking Friday off so I can just relax and do stuff I want to do.. Between work, flying and studying, I'm a mental wreck.. >>You'd still be able to feel the diff Kev, it really is THAT noticable. For >>some thoough, the hard setup is too precise and thus requires too much [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > stupid pink stickers off the canopy and paint it.. Just gotta find > my air brush and hit up the local PPG store for some paint. And buy some "Plastic Primer" before you even think of hittin the Obe-wan with paint. >>I've got a thing about FADEC though, after all the problems with the >>Chinook. Stories abound about that heli, but I've heard the same as you [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > talking to one of the factory reps at Heli Expo last Feb. Wish I had > $60k lying around.. I'd be buying parts.. You don't say :-)) >>But it keeps you sharp, specially when you're carrying the girl-chic. >>Anyway, I'm glad you both got down Ok. > > Yeah, she was a bit shaken up by the whole thing.. I don't think me > screaming, "WE'RE GONNA DIE!!!" helped much. ehehhehe I'd love to do that for real (although not for real IYGMD:-) >>Yeah, I reckon keeping up with enouigh to REALLY feather a nest would be >>back breaking work:-) > > It's a dirty job....... But some f.cker's gotta do it eh? >>As do simulators, but would I say it was a bad thing? No way. Ok, I >>learned [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > with the Raptor. In the meantime, I've got to get this $%^%& blade > grip off the Blade so I can see WTF is up with the end play... Don't get too bent out of shape with end float and Raptors. They're not the best heli in the world (as reflected in the price) but the blade holders don't usually fly off:-) If the fixing bolt is Loc-tited and the thrust berarings are the right way round, the end float disappears as soon as the throttle is opened. >>> I've never flown with a HH gyro until I got the Blade up and running >>> and have never flown with a governor at all... I'm pretty sure the [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > do stuff I want to do.. Between work, flying and studying, I'm a > mental wreck.. I've just taken the day to completely scrub the bikes and leather them in ACF 50, but it's taken all day because of interruptions and "discussions" with neighbours. Discussions I have absolutely zero interest in. I mean who the f.ck wants to hear someone waffle on about building f.cking home extensions? " Hours at a bloody time! SignatureBeav Reply to "beavis dot original at ntlworld dot com" (with the obvious changes) >And buy some "Plastic Primer" before you even think of hittin the Obe-wan >with paint. Yep.. I've been reading all kinds of info on painting those canopies over at raptortechnique. Gonna start buying supplies this afternoon and hopefully paint this weekend. >> Yeah, she was a bit shaken up by the whole thing.. I don't think me >> screaming, "WE'RE GONNA DIE!!!" helped much. ehehhehe >I'd love to do that for real (although not for real IYGMD:-) If it was my nephew, I'd have been yelling that from the get-go. Too bad he'll never fly with me. Not that he doesn't want to, it's just he's such a little sh.t I wouldn't even make the offer. >But some f.cker's gotta do it eh? I'd be happy to get 'er done... >Don't get too bent out of shape with end float and Raptors. They're not the >best heli in the world (as reflected in the price) but the blade holders >don't usually fly off:-) If the fixing bolt is Loc-tited and the thrust >berarings are the right way round, the end float disappears as soon as the >throttle is opened. No, it's the Blade that has the problem. The grip literally has 3/32 of end play which wasn't there when I bought the machine. Something has slipped/broken and I'm wondering if it happened when I let the thing fly into the lawn chair several weeks ago. I can't break that damned bolt loose from the feathering shaft. Already broke a hex wrench trying to get it loose.... >I've just taken the day to completely scrub the bikes and leather them in >ACF 50, but it's taken all day because of interruptions and "discussions" >with neighbours. Discussions I have absolutely zero interest in. I mean who >the f.ck wants to hear someone waffle on about building f.cking home >extensions? " Hours at a bloody time! I've got to scrub all the vehicles myself. Someone wrote on the tailgate of my truck (which hasn't been washed in about 3 months and is filthy) "I wish my wife was this dirty". I had to laugh when I saw that. Luckily, my neighbors are all pretty cool and they only come to chat to see what project I'm working on so the conversation revolves around stuff I'm interested in. Quickest way I've found to make them go away is fire up the compressor and start blowing sh.t off.. Funny how the noise and dust makes 'em leave like that. >>And buy some "Plastic Primer" before you even think of hittin the Obe-wan >>with paint. > > Yep.. I've been reading all kinds of info on painting those canopies > over at raptortechnique. Gonna start buying supplies this afternoon > and hopefully paint this weekend. Don't go mad with the plastic primer either. Just a "waft", then a wait, then another "waft" NO heavy coats. >>> Yeah, she was a bit shaken up by the whole thing.. I don't think me >>> screaming, "WE'RE GONNA DIE!!!" helped much. ehehhehe [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > bad he'll never fly with me. Not that he doesn't want to, it's just > he's such a little sh.t I wouldn't even make the offer. Sounds reasonable to me. I hate shitty nephews myself. >>But some f.cker's gotta do it eh? > [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > damned bolt loose from the feathering shaft. Already broke a hex > wrench trying to get it loose.... Time to get out that angle grinder I fear:-) >>I've just taken the day to completely scrub the bikes and leather them in >>ACF 50, but it's taken all day because of interruptions and "discussions" [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > is filthy) "I wish my wife was this dirty". I had to laugh when I saw > that. Better than the usual "Also available in black". Obviously written on a black tailgate:) > Luckily, my neighbors are all pretty cool and they only come to chat > to see what project I'm working on so the conversation revolves around > stuff I'm interested in. It starts off that way for me, but it drifts VERY quickly. Quickest way I've found to make them go away > is fire up the compressor and start blowing sh.t off.. Funny how the > noise and dust makes 'em leave like that. I had the compressor running (to blow the bikes dry) AND the power washer (to get the bikes wet and clean) and he STILL hung around. Then I had to make excuses as to why I hadn't called him in to do some jobs on the house, coz he WILL see the work goiing ahead. He was back again today telling me all about next years work! SignatureBeav Reply to "beavis dot original at ntlworld dot com" (with the obvious changes) >Don't go mad with the plastic primer either. Just a "waft", then a wait, >then another "waft" NO heavy coats. I've painted several cars and finish my own cabinets/furniture. I'd rather do 50 "mist" coats than try and cover it all in one fell swoop. >Sounds reasonable to me. I hate shitty nephews myself. My oldest nephew is a lazy bum and his little brother is a jackass... >Time to get out that angle grinder I fear:-) I hope not... That'll require a bunch of new parts.... >Better than the usual "Also available in black". Obviously written on a >black tailgate:) How imaginative. Just like the Nissan 350Z around here with highly imaginative "350Z" license plate... >It starts off that way for me, but it drifts VERY quickly. Doesn't it always??? >I had the compressor running (to blow the bikes dry) AND the power washer >(to get the bikes wet and clean) and he STILL hung around. Then I had to >make excuses as to why I hadn't called him in to do some jobs on the house, >coz he WILL see the work goiing ahead. He was back again today telling me >all about next years work! "I'd love to stay and chat but you're an annoying twat who needs to get out more. Go home!" >>Don't go mad with the plastic primer either. Just a "waft", then a wait, >>then another "waft" NO heavy coats. > > I've painted several cars and finish my own cabinets/furniture. I'd > rather do 50 "mist" coats than try and cover it all in one fell swoop. Yeah, but what if you hadn't and I hadn't imparted that WONDERFUL info? :-) >>Sounds reasonable to me. I hate shitty nephews myself. > > My oldest nephew is a lazy bum and his little brother is a jackass... Ripe for their own TV show then. Sign 'em upbefore someone else does. >>Time to get out that angle grinder I fear:-) > > I hope not... That'll require a bunch of new parts.... But think of the fun in the meantime. >>Better than the usual "Also available in black". Obviously written on a >>black tailgate:) > > How imaginative. Just like the Nissan 350Z around here with highly > imaginative "350Z" license plate... We've got one of those in the bodyshop right now. It's about to be painted some garish shitty colour:-( Thankfully, it's not got a "personal" plate. >>It starts off that way for me, but it drifts VERY quickly. > [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > "I'd love to stay and chat but you're an annoying twat who needs to > get out more. Go home!" He's one of those that if I DID say that, he'd not hear it. He has VERY selective hearing. I saw him watching the guy measure my windows up today, but he didn't come out to play:-)) SignatureBeav Reply to "beavis dot original at ntlworld dot com" (with the obvious changes) >Yeah, but what if you hadn't and I hadn't imparted that WONDERFUL info? :-) I'd still do 50 light coats and get it done properly. (But the effort to "edjumacate" me was <sort of> appreciated.) >Ripe for their own TV show then. Sign 'em upbefore someone else does. I think I'd rather sign Paris Hilton up for a season of, "Hi, I'm a complete narcissistic moron". >But think of the fun in the meantime. Somehow I don't think I can get a 4" cutoff wheel in there.... >We've got one of those in the bodyshop right now. It's about to be painted >some garish shitty colour:-( Thankfully, it's not got a "personal" plate. Hey, wanna fly over here and help me rework my '71 Oldsmobile?? >He's one of those that if I DID say that, he'd not hear it. He has VERY >selective hearing. I saw him watching the guy measure my windows up today, >but he didn't come out to play:-)) I used to have a neighbor like that... Thankfully I moved away from the pinhead 3 years ago... My "new" neighbors are very cool... (Well, except for the Homeowner's Association "Nazi" around the corner) >>Yeah, but what if you hadn't and I hadn't imparted that WONDERFUL info? >>:-) > > I'd still do 50 light coats and get it done properly. (But the effort > to "edjumacate" me was <sort of> appreciated.) I should bloody well hope so. English next :-)) >>Ripe for their own TV show then. Sign 'em upbefore someone else does. > > I think I'd rather sign Paris Hilton up for a season of, "Hi, I'm a > complete narcissistic moron". Too late, she already got the job. >>But think of the fun in the meantime. > > Somehow I don't think I can get a 4" cutoff wheel in there.... 9" then. EVENTUALLY you'll reach that "sweet" spot:-) >>We've got one of those in the bodyshop right now. It's about to be painted >>some garish shitty colour:-( Thankfully, it's not got a "personal" plate. > > Hey, wanna fly over here and help me rework my '71 Oldsmobile?? The last YankTank we did was a 73 'Vette about 2 years ago. 2 tone silver it was (is)and when we got it, it was a total shitheap. When we'd finished, we got calls from some of the 'Vette owners known to the owner asking for prices to do theirs. We declined on the chance to f.ck about with any more fibre glass shitheaps. Still get the calls though. >>He's one of those that if I DID say that, he'd not hear it. He has VERY >>selective hearing. I saw him watching the guy measure my windows up today, [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > (Well, except for the Homeowner's Association "Nazi" around the > corner) Our version (Neighbourhood Watch Twat:-) moved away some years ago and it was like a switch being thrown. Suddenly there was sweetness and light on the street and when someone else suggested we elect a new "governor", he was almost shot on the spot:-) SignatureBeav Reply to "beavis dot original at ntlworld dot com" (with the obvious changes) >I should bloody well hope so. English next :-)) Like you're qualified.. :) >> I think I'd rather sign Paris Hilton up for a season of, "Hi, I'm a >> complete narcissistic moron". > >Too late, she already got the job. She can co-star with Tom Cruise.... >9" then. EVENTUALLY you'll reach that "sweet" spot:-) Maybe I should fly it until I wad the entire thing up in a ball and then buy/build a new one... >The last YankTank we did was a 73 'Vette about 2 years ago. 2 tone silver it >was (is)and when we got it, it was a total shitheap. When we'd finished, we >got calls from some of the 'Vette owners known to the owner asking for >prices to do theirs. We declined on the chance to f.ck about with any more >fibre glass shitheaps. No glass or plastic body panels on this thing anywhere. 4,600 lbs of Early 70's American steel... Crumple zones, my a.s.... >Still get the calls though. I did a one-off Ford Mustang ('67) a long time ago and got a lot of people at shows asking me to do theirs.. Sorry, I don't have another 2 years and you don't have the tens of thousands of dollars my labor would cost... >Our version (Neighbourhood Watch Twat:-) moved away some years ago and it >was like a switch being thrown. Suddenly there was sweetness and light on >the street and when someone else suggested we elect a new "governor", he was >almost shot on the spot:-) This guy doesn't like me because I attend the board meetings after any of his bitches and point out the violations (with pictures) at his house. Pot, Kettle, Black. STFU! >>I should bloody well hope so. English next :-)) > > Like you're qualified.. :) Injootibablie. >>> I think I'd rather sign Paris Hilton up for a season of, "Hi, I'm a >>> complete narcissistic moron". >> >>Too late, she already got the job. > > She can co-star with Tom Cruise.... But they'd suck up so much admiraton, there'd be a world shortage! >>9" then. EVENTUALLY you'll reach that "sweet" spot:-) > > Maybe I should fly it until I wad the entire thing up in a ball and > then buy/build a new one... It's one way of learning I've never really advocated, but I'm willing to find out if it works. Report back soonest :-) >>The last YankTank we did was a 73 'Vette about 2 years ago. 2 tone silver >>it [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > No glass or plastic body panels on this thing anywhere. 4,600 lbs of > Early 70's American steel... Crumple zones, my a.s.... Not a lot oc crumple zones on a 'Vette with that f.ck off big lader underneath it, but the YankTanks are definitley not our "scene". >>Still get the calls though. > > I did a one-off Ford Mustang ('67) a long time ago and got a lot of > people at shows asking me to do theirs.. Sorry, I don't have another > 2 years and you don't have the tens of thousands of dollars my labor > would cost... Precisely. we've done a number of 50's Jag's. XK 120's, 140's and 150's, but the cost of doing them is usually beyond what people are willing (or able) to pay for what's essentially a garage queen when they're done. People have no idea of the number of hours required to do a complete resto 'til the see the schedule laid out. They then gat an idea that the cost isn't going to be bargain basement, so they "do it themselves". That usually results in a project that gets started, but never gets finished. >>Our version (Neighbourhood Watch Twat:-) moved away some years ago and it >>was like a switch being thrown. Suddenly there was sweetness and light on [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > of his bitches and point out the violations (with pictures) at his > house. Pot, Kettle, Black. STFU! Oh they're always the worst, but think they're immune to the rules because they're in with the "in" crowd. Tosers the lot of them IMO. SignatureBeav Reply to "beavis dot original at ntlworld dot com" (with the obvious changes) >> Like you're qualified.. :) > >Injootibablie. See? :) >But they'd suck up so much admiraton, there'd be a world shortage! hehehe.. I can live with that. >It's one way of learning I've never really advocated, but I'm willing to >find out if it works. Report back soonest :-) Damned thing shakes like an epileptic on a trampoline as it sits now.. I tink that particular grip is broken inside somehow.. Just can't budge that damned screw and I've been hitting it with penetrating oil for several nights now. >Not a lot oc crumple zones on a 'Vette with that f.ck off big lader >underneath it, but the YankTanks are definitley not our "scene". Nobody's real scene anymore. All the kids want rice rockets these days - even the older crowd aren't building hotrods much anymore. >Precisely. we've done a number of 50's Jag's. XK 120's, 140's and 150's, but >the cost of doing them is usually beyond what people are willing (or able) [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] >bargain basement, so they "do it themselves". That usually results in a >project that gets started, but never gets finished. Yep.. THAT is why I haven't begun the Olds project yet. not until I know I have the funds and time available. I don't want to get halfway done and a) lose interest and b) run out of time and/or money. >Oh they're always the worst, but think they're immune to the rules because >they're in with the "in" crowd. Tosers the lot of them IMO. Yep... >>> Like you're qualified.. :) >> [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > budge that damned screw and I've been hitting it with penetrating oil > for several nights now. Is the feathering spindle bent? If you've clouted it, it's likely to be. Remove the opposite blade holder, then knock the dead spindle backwards out of the bearings in the suspect grip. Then you'll have a spindle you can grab in a vice (if necessary). >>Not a lot oc crumple zones on a 'Vette with that f.ck off big lader >>underneath it, but the YankTanks are definitley not our "scene". > > Nobody's real scene anymore. All the kids want rice rockets these > days - even the older crowd aren't building hotrods much anymore. I watch "American HotRod" :-)) >>Precisely. we've done a number of 50's Jag's. XK 120's, 140's and 150's, >>but [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > know I have the funds and time available. I don't want to get halfway > done and a) lose interest and b) run out of time and/or money. I think the vast majority of projects never get beyond that stage. I'm very selective with mine so I don't fall into the trap of starting and not finishing. >>Oh they're always the worst, but think they're immune to the rules because >>they're in with the "in" crowd. Tosers the lot of them IMO. > > Yep... Yep again:-) SignatureBeav Reply to "beavis dot original at ntlworld dot com" (with the obvious changes) >Is the feathering spindle bent? If you've clouted it, it's likely to be. >Remove the opposite blade holder, then knock the dead spindle backwards out >of the bearings in the suspect grip. Then you'll have a spindle you can grab >in a vice (if necessary). If I could get EITHER holder off, I'd employ the brute force method and replace the mangled parts.. I can't break either of the &^*(&(%^&$%^&$%$&*%^%^$%*&*(^&*%* things loose.. I'm amazed I haven't stripped the heads yet.. I've broken one hex key already trying to get it loose. I hope some knucklehead at the factory didn't put 'em in with red Loctite... >I watch "American HotRod" :-)) Sorry, that's not some guy wrenching, cutting and welding in his garage. That's some rich guy writing Coddington a gigantic check so his guys can build a car.. I'd rather do it all (or as much of it as I can) myself. That wouldn't preclude me from letting Chip Foose steal the thing for an episode of "Overhaulin'". >I think the vast majority of projects never get beyond that stage. I'm very >selective with mine so I don't fall into the trap of starting and not >finishing. When I did the Mustang, I went into it knowing I'd do nothing else but work on the car until it was done. Lost a girlfriend and missed out on a lot of nights out with my friends, but gained a very nice car and picked up another girlfriend (Who was VERY much into cars with a '65 Mustang to boot!) when it was all over. I've got a budget and a battle plan all drawn up for the Olds.. Just need to save some more pennies, buy a few more tools and set aside the time to get going on it. >>Is the feathering spindle bent? If you've clouted it, it's likely to be. >>Remove the opposite blade holder, then knock the dead spindle backwards [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > and replace the mangled parts.. I can't break either of the > &^*(&(%^&$%^&$%$&*%^%^$%*&*(^&*%* things loose.. Ahh, sounds like a job for ****DREMEL MAN***. Sacrifice the suspect blade grip and hit the f.cker with an angle grander. there are some EXCELLENT 1mm cuting discs for 4.5" angle grinders and they'll have that head apart in seconds. I'm amazed I haven't > stripped the heads yet.. I've broken one hex key already trying to > get it loose. I hope some knucklehead at the factory didn't put 'em > in with red Loctite... Sounds like a job for ***BLOWLAMP MAN*** :-) >>I watch "American HotRod" :-)) > > Sorry, that's not some guy wrenching, cutting and welding in his > garage. That's some rich guy writing Coddington a gigantic check so > his guys can build a car.. I know. f.cking ridiculous, but Coddington looks like he's REALLY "loosing it" this series. All his good guys have f.cked off, no doubt ending up at Chip Fooses place (the man whose name shall not be mentioned:-). I bet THAT'LL cheer old Boydy up no end:-) I'd rather do it all (or as much of it as > I can) myself. That wouldn't preclude me from letting Chip Foose > steal the thing for an episode of "Overhaulin'". I believe I could live with that though. I'd go and buy another old clunker to sort out myself, but I'd be happy enough to have a Foose car in my garage. >>I think the vast majority of projects never get beyond that stage. I'm >>very [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > picked up another girlfriend (Who was VERY much into cars with a '65 > Mustang to boot!) when it was all over. Result! > I've got a budget and a battle plan all drawn up for the Olds.. Just > need to save some more pennies, buy a few more tools and set aside the > time to get going on it. Snap-on? For the tool that only ges used once :-)) SignatureBeav Reply to "beavis dot original at ntlworld dot com" (with the obvious changes) >>>Is the feathering spindle bent? If you've clouted it, it's likely to be. >>>Remove the opposite blade holder, then knock the dead spindle backwards [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > 1mm cuting discs for 4.5" angle grinders and they'll have that head apart > in seconds. Uh, don't take a dremel to it, check this out first. http://www.miniatureaircraftusa.com/Store/proddetail.asp?prod=0532 It's designed around the Minature Aircraft X-Cell's but will work on any model that's got the same width on the main blade grips. I've got one, it works like a charm! :-) Just a thought! Fly Safe, Steve R. >Uh, don't take a dremel to it, check this out first. > [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] >model that's got the same width on the main blade grips. I've got one, it >works like a charm! :-) That wouldn't help getting the cap screws off.. Once I broke one loose, the feathering spindle slipped right out. Took a pair of pliers and some more grunting to break the other one loose... >Ahh, sounds like a job for ****DREMEL MAN***. Sacrifice the suspect blade >grip and hit the f.cker with an angle grander. there are some EXCELLENT 1mm >cuting discs for 4.5" angle grinders and they'll have that head apart in >seconds. That was plan B if brute force with the hex wrenches didn't cut it... >Sounds like a job for ***BLOWLAMP MAN*** :-) OK, WTF is a blowlamp??? Does it have anything to do with Oxygen and/or Acetelyn?? >I know. f.cking ridiculous, but Coddington looks like he's REALLY "loosing >it" this series. All his good guys have f.cked off, no doubt ending up at >Chip Fooses place (the man whose name shall not be mentioned:-). I bet >THAT'LL cheer old Boydy up no end:-) His sidekick Duane is right up there with him. I can appreciate being a hardass at times, but not over some of the crap he goes ballistic over. I also don't understand the ridiculous time crunches on some of those cars. If I'm dropping $100K+ on a custom car, I'm waiting until it's completely done... > I'd rather do it all (or as much of it as >> I can) myself. That wouldn't preclude me from letting Chip Foose [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] >to sort out myself, but I'd be happy enough to have a Foose car in my >garage. Yep. Saw last night's episode. Some woman got her '05 Mustang all done up... Kind of a waste if ya ask me. I think he should stick with the older cars... >> When I did the Mustang, I went into it knowing I'd do nothing else but >> work on the car until it was done. Lost a girlfriend and missed out [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > >Result! Yep. We ended up redoing her 'stang as well, but it didn't need nearly as much as mine did... Came out real nice. She gave it to her little brother a couple eyars after we parted ways and he wrapped it around a tree... Moron... >Snap-on? For the tool that only ges used once :-)) I've got a couple drawers in my tool box full of those one use only tools... >>Ahh, sounds like a job for ****DREMEL MAN***. Sacrifice the suspect blade >>grip and hit the f.cker with an angle grander. there are some EXCELLENT [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > OK, WTF is a blowlamp??? Does it have anything to do with Oxygen > and/or Acetelyn?? Propane, but yeah, a MAN'S tool:) >>I know. f.cking ridiculous, but Coddington looks like he's REALLY "loosing >>it" this series. All his good guys have f.cked off, no doubt ending up at >>Chip Fooses place (the man whose name shall not be mentioned:-). I bet >>THAT'LL cheer old Boydy up no end:-) > > His sidekick Duane is right up there with him. Dooayne, the tosser. I can appreciate being > a hardass at times, but not over some of the crap he goes ballistic > over. It's TV Kev, but he IS a complete prat. I also don't understand the ridiculous time crunches on some of > those cars. If I'm dropping $100K+ on a custom car, I'm waiting until > it's completely done... Me and the boy chld say the same thing. What used to be a 6 month schedule for a Boydster is down to 6 weeks now and dropping. I reckon that's one of the reasons all hsi good guys are walking. >> I'd rather do it all (or as much of it as >>> I can) myself. That wouldn't preclude me from letting Chip Foose [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > done up... Kind of a waste if ya ask me. I think he should stick > with the older cars... But even his older cars end up almost as 21st Century concept cars. They look good, but they seem to lack that "something" you find when someone does a good job on a resto project without spedning 1/4 of a million bucks. >>> When I did the Mustang, I went into it knowing I'd do nothing else but >>> work on the car until it was done. Lost a girlfriend and missed out [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > little brother a couple eyars after we parted ways and he wrapped it > around a tree... Moron... Brothers!. you can't beat 'em. Well not without serving time for it :) >>Snap-on? For the tool that only ges used once :-)) > > I've got a couple drawers in my tool box full of those one use only > tools... You and me both then. I think they're a necessary part of learning how not to spend money. SignatureBeav Reply to "beavis dot original at ntlworld dot com" (with the obvious changes) >Propane, but yeah, a MAN'S tool:) Ahhh.. We call that a torch over here.. I think I need an English to English dictionary.. ehehhe >Dooayne, the tosser. Yep. >It's TV Kev, but he IS a complete prat. I agree.. >Me and the boy chld say the same thing. What used to be a 6 month schedule >for a Boydster is down to 6 weeks now and dropping. I reckon that's one of >the reasons all hsi good guys are walking. When I rebuilt my ATV ('87 Yamaha Banshee) a couple years ago, I told myself it'd take about 4-5 weeks... After I got into it and really decided what I wanted to do to it, it took closer to 8 months.. Time constraints kill creativity and quality. >But even his older cars end up almost as 21st Century concept cars. They >look good, but they seem to lack that "something" you find when someone does >a good job on a resto project without spedning 1/4 of a million bucks. Yep. Did you see the episode where the guy wanted to restore his dad's old speedster to how it looked in the late 50's? Boyd modernized it and (IMO) f.cked it up... >Brothers!. you can't beat 'em. Well not without serving time for it :) Same with kids.... Teenage daughters in particular. >You and me both then. I think they're a necessary part of learning how not >to spend money. But you know as soon as you give 'em away or sell 'em, you'll need 'em. >>Propane, but yeah, a MAN'S tool:) > > Ahhh.. We call that a torch over here.. Ahh, we call a torch a torch and you call a real torch a flashlight:-) We call the propane burners torches too. A blowlamp's an old term really, and it described the oil powered torches whch used the same oil a oil lamps. I think I need an English to > English dictionary.. ehehhe > >>Dooayne, the tosser. > > Yep. :-)) >>It's TV Kev, but he IS a complete prat. > [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > decided what I wanted to do to it, it took closer to 8 months.. Time > constraints kill creativity and quality. Absolutely they do. And getting folk to work holidays, weekends and overnight doesn't help either. If you want to piss your staff off, make loyalty a one way street. Coddington Street. >>But even his older cars end up almost as 21st Century concept cars. They >>look good, but they seem to lack that "something" you find when someone [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > dad's old speedster to how it looked in the late 50's? Boyd > modernized it and (IMO) f.cked it up... Hildebrand? Yeah and I thought Metalplate Mickey was right on the money. He knew what the guy (Vern) wanted, at least at the beginning, but even he (Vern), changed his mind as often as he changed is underwear). He originally wanted the car to be a running example of what his DAD built, and everything as close to "as was" as possible. until Boydy got on the case. The finished article looked like a Tonka Toy to me. >>Brothers!. you can't beat 'em. Well not without serving time for it :) > > Same with kids.... Teenage daughters in particular. I've not got any of them, for which I'm truly thankful. Just the one son and that's enough for me. >>You and me both then. I think they're a necessary part of learning how not >>to spend money. > > But you know as soon as you give 'em away or sell 'em, you'll need > 'em. I took the biggest majority of my tools to my sons bodyshop when he first opened, "to save him having to buy everything in the first few weeks/months. Turned out to be years, coz more and more tools have "gravitated" to his place and not one has ever come back:-) I've ended up buying stuff again, so I can work on my own things when I'm home. Kids, you can't f.cking buy 'em off either ;)) SignatureBeav Reply to "beavis dot original at ntlworld dot com" (with the obvious changes) >Ahh, we call a torch a torch and you call a real torch a flashlight:-) We >call the propane burners torches too. A blowlamp's an old term really, and >it described the oil powered torches whch used the same oil a oil lamps. See? Told you I need an English to English dictionary... >Absolutely they do. And getting folk to work holidays, weekends and >overnight doesn't help either. If you want to piss your staff off, make >loyalty a one way street. Coddington Street. Yep. We're got that same disease at the place I work now. Those of us who do the actual work have joined in the common good to NOT work overtime/weekends as a sign of protest to the owner of the place. His lack of execution is what causes all the "oh sh.t we've got to hurry!" projects. >Hildebrand? Yeah and I thought Metalplate Mickey was right on the money. He >knew what the guy (Vern) wanted, at least at the beginning, but even he >(Vern), changed his mind as often as he changed is underwear). He originally >wanted the car to be a running example of what his DAD built, and everything >as close to "as was" as possible. until Boydy got on the case. The finished >article looked like a Tonka Toy to me. That's the one. I would have told Boyd to kiss my a.s and let Mike manage the project. (I think Mike is a tool, but he was fighting to create what Vern wanted) Horrible result in the end.. >I've not got any of them, for which I'm truly thankful. Just the one son and >that's enough for me. Got one of those as well.. And another pre-teen daughter.. (Don't think she'll be much of an issue - at least not compared to her older sister) >I took the biggest majority of my tools to my sons bodyshop when he first >opened, "to save him having to buy everything in the first few weeks/months. >Turned out to be years, coz more and more tools have "gravitated" to his >place and not one has ever come back:-) I've ended up buying stuff again, so >I can work on my own things when I'm home. hehe, I wish you were my dad. My dad's response to "can I borrow the....." was always, "No, go buy one of your own." Time is sweet revenge tho. He asked to borrow something a couple years ago and I promptly replied, "No, go buy one of your own." >Kids, you can't f.cking buy 'em off either ;)) Sure you can. If I buy my son a video game, he's thoroughly placated - for a time anyways.. hehehe >>Ahh, we call a torch a torch and you call a real torch a flashlight:-) We >>call the propane burners torches too. A blowlamp's an old term really, and >>it described the oil powered torches whch used the same oil a oil lamps. > > See? Told you I need an English to English dictionary... What you need is an Aulde Englishe to English dictionary:-) >>Absolutely they do. And getting folk to work holidays, weekends and >>overnight doesn't help either. If you want to piss your staff off, make [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > lack of execution is what causes all the "oh sh.t we've got to hurry!" > projects. That's a way of working/thinking I've never understood. I usually get moving as quickly as possible to give me some "grace" time if anything goes wrong. And I don't expect people to work holidays, especially when they've been booked for months. >>Hildebrand? Yeah and I thought Metalplate Mickey was right on the money. >>He [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > That's the one. I would have told Boyd to kiss my a.s and let Mike > manage the project. He's gone now though, probably to Foose. Ooops sorry, probably to "He who's name shall not be mentioned:-)) (I think Mike is a tool, but he was fighting to > create what Vern wanted) Horrible result in the end.. I think Mike's seen it all too many times and he's been "out of the way" in the machine shop. On the floor and under the microscope wasn't his place and I think he knew it. I still think Coddingon was taking the piss with him and as it was one of his "creations" that broke up when Metal Mick was driving it giving him his new face, he should've given him a bit more leeway and a LOT more respect. I have a feeling I'd have sued Cod for every penny following that day at the salt flats >>I've not got any of them, for which I'm truly thankful. Just the one son >>and [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > think she'll be much of an issue - at least not compared to her older > sister) My pal thought that when he as going through total mayhem with his first born. His second born was a few years younger and he thought he might be saved a repeat, but she started down "the road" lst year. I'm hoping to f.ck he doesn't have to go through all what he did do again. >>I took the biggest majority of my tools to my sons bodyshop when he first >>opened, "to save him having to buy everything in the first few [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > hehe, I wish you were my dad. My dad's response to "can I borrow > the....." was always, "No, go buy one of your own." Mine did that, which is why I didn't. If there's ANYTHING that I do which reminds me of my dad, I don't do it. No-one is EVERY going to be able to say "You're just like your dad, you are" to me. Time is sweet > revenge tho. He asked to borrow something a couple years ago and I > promptly replied, "No, go buy one of your own." I've tried that, but for some reason it doesn't sink in:-) We went to a "VAT free" weekend at our equiv of "Craftsmen" tools (without Bob Vila though, thank f.ck) where he espied a rather nice tool cabinet. Normally about 250 quid (450 dollars-ish), it was on offer at 200 quid dead. Of course HE "forgot his wallet and it'd be silly to not get it at this price", so I got it. And paid for it on the strict understanding that he pays me when it's delivered and before I've got to shell out to clear the credit card. Cab arrives, credit card bill arrives and gets paid off and I'm still waiting. f.cking kids. >>Kids, you can't f.cking buy 'em off either ;)) > > Sure you can. If I buy my son a video game, he's thoroughly placated > - for a time anyways.. hehehe Get him "Trackir" for his 'puter. (www.trackir.com) That's sure to placate him for even longer. SignatureBeav Reply to "beavis dot original at ntlworld dot com" (with the obvious changes) -- Beav Reply to "beavis dot original at ntlworld dot com" (with the obvious changes) >What you need is an Aulde Englishe to English dictionary:-) perzackly!! >That's a way of working/thinking I've never understood. I usually get moving >as quickly as possible to give me some "grace" time if anything goes wrong. >And I don't expect people to work holidays, especially when they've been >booked for months. Yep. Earlier this year we were absolutely hammered with orders and the purchasing guy was handcuffed every month trying to buy parts with the (now standard) "We're stocking too much inventory." bullshit line. Inventory that'd be out the door in 2-3 weeks as we complete projects. >He's gone now though, probably to Foose. Ooops sorry, probably to "He who's >name shall not be mentioned:-)) I haven't watched in a long time. I'd be interested in seeing where he ended up. Same with Charlie (The old paintshop manager) Still waiting on Boyd to piss off Gabe (the interior guy) with his bullshit schedules so he refuses to work with them. Of course, Boyd will twist it around so it's Gabe's fault.. >I think Mike's seen it all too many times and he's been "out of the way" in >the machine shop. On the floor and under the microscope wasn't his place and >I think he knew it. I still think Coddingon was taking the piss with him and >as it was one of his "creations" that broke up when Metal Mick was driving >it giving him his new face, he should've given him a bit more leeway and a >LOT more respect. Yeah, no kidding.. "Sorry I almost killed you, get the hell out of my shop." >I have a feeling I'd have sued Cod for every penny following that day at the >salt flats He'd definitely be writing a large check.... >My pal thought that when he as going through total mayhem with his first >born. His second born was a few years younger and he thought he might be >saved a repeat, but she started down "the road" lst year. I'm hoping to f.ck >he doesn't have to go through all what he did do again. I'm not looking forward to it the 1st time around. Oldest daughter has a "friend" that I don't care for. Poor manners, no respect for anyone, lies, steals etc.. I refuse |
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