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Looking for GMP Cricket parts - and instruction manual

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new2copters - 22 Nov 2005 17:24 GMT
Hi all,

I recently purchased a GMP Cricket in need of a few bits and pieces,
and hope this might be a good place to find them.

I am so new to Helicopters that I don't even know what to call the
pieces I need - so would also be pleased to be able to buy a copy of
the instruction manual for this copter. ;)

(One thing I know I need is the vertical linkage between the main rotor
blade assembly and the mechanism lower down that controls blade pitch.
Not sure if the explains it well enough. And I'd love to find a Huges
300 canopy to fit as well. A bit of reading on the internet turned up a
pic of one of these.)

BTW, I've read enough in the past few days to know that, as a complete
novice, I probably shouldn't make this my first flying copter (unless I
want to be the owner of  a box of Cricket pieces) - so it'll probably
be a static model for the time being. But I'd certainly like to make it
flyable.

Anyone have bits and pieces for sale?  I so, please let me know.

Thanks!
Steve R - 22 Nov 2005 18:40 GMT
> Hi all,
>
> I recently purchased a GMP Cricket in need of a few bits and pieces,
> and hope this might be a good place to find them.

There might be someone on this newsgroup that can help you but don't get
your hopes up.  The Cricket has been out of production for a LONG time now
but you never know.

> I am so new to Helicopters that I don't even know what to call the
> pieces I need - so would also be pleased to be able to buy a copy of
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> 300 canopy to fit as well. A bit of reading on the internet turned up a
> pic of one of these.)

You shouldn't have too much trouble simply making the link you need.  A
short piece of all-thread and a couple of ball links will do the trick.  Any
decent hobby shop should be able to help.

The mechanism below the main rotor system is called a "swashplate."  The
outer half of it is stationary and you control which way it tilts on the
main rotor shaft via the radio controls.  The inner half of the swashplate
controls the linkage you need and subsequently, the flybar (the cross shaft
that sits 90 degrees to the main rotor blades and has the small paddle on
it) which in turn controls the main rotor blades.  This is refered to as a
"Hiller" control system after a full size helicopter that was around in the
1940's and 1950's if I'm not mistaken.  They're not made any more but a few
are still flying.

There should also be a small part just above the swashplate that's secured
with a set screw to the rotor mast and has a ball link that goes to the
inner half of the swashplate.  I call it a swashplate follower and it's job
is to insure that the inner half of the swashplate rotates properly with the
main rotor blades.  You'll know that the follower is positioned properly if
you line up the main rotor blades with the tail boom and the ball link on
the swashplate is also perfectly inline.  When everything is setup properly,
the swashplate should tilt straight for and aft with elevator commands and
left and right for aileron commands.  The main rotor will tilt in whatever
direction the swashplate tilts.

> BTW, I've read enough in the past few days to know that, as a complete
> novice, I probably shouldn't make this my first flying copter (unless I
> want to be the owner of  a box of Cricket pieces) - so it'll probably
> be a static model for the time being. But I'd certainly like to make it
> flyable.

Well, you got that much as least!  ;-)  Seriously, the Cricket was an Ok
model in it's day, but not a great one.  It uses a very basic fixed pitch
(no collective) rotor system.  It was flyable but not at all stable by
today's standards.  The main issues you'll have with it are the same issues
you'll find in any fixed pitch rotor system and you'll notice, there aren't
too many of those around any more, at least no on a glo powered model.  At
any rate, finding an experienced pilot to help you with setup issues on the
Cricket will go a LONG way toward a successful flight.

> Anyone have bits and pieces for sale?  I so, please let me know.
>
> Thanks!

Best of luck & Fly Safe,
Steve R.
new2copters - 22 Nov 2005 21:39 GMT
Thanks Steve, for your very speedy and informative response. Much
appreciated!

Now I can go about looking for some of the parts I need, at least
knowing what they're called.
Beav - 23 Nov 2005 21:17 GMT
> Hi all,
>
> I recently purchased a GMP Cricket in need of a few bits and pieces,
> and hope this might be a good place to find them.It's as good a place as
any, but you'll still be very lucky (or not, depending on your POV).

> I am so new to Helicopters that I don't even know what to call the
> pieces I need - so would also be pleased to be able to buy a copy of
> the instruction manual for this copter. ;)

May I make a suggestion (retorical of course). Forget the Cricket and find
something new(er). You'll learn to fly with something that'll fly as opposed
to a Cricket which will have you ripping your hair out. And that's BEFORE it
gets in the air. Fixed pitch and VERY old tech.

> (One thing I know I need is the vertical linkage between the main rotor
> blade assembly and the mechanism lower down that controls blade pitch.
> Not sure if the explains it well enough.

It does. It's a rod with a ball link on either end, and to be honset, it's
something any modeller would knock up in about 10 seconds and if you want to
be a "Cricketer", then being a modeller is mandatory. You're not though,
you're a wannabee model helicopter flyer and there's a world of difference.

And I'd love to find a Huges
> 300 canopy to fit as well. A bit of reading on the internet turned up a
> pic of one of these.)

See? That statement tels it's own story (not a bad one, but still its own
story). You want a heli that looks like a heli you've seen flying and this
Cricket has come along for next to nothing (no cost) and you're already
thinking about how life is going to be in the next couple of weeks. Well I
hate to be the one to tell you, but it's not. The Cricket is dead, and
should be buried and you should be looking at a modern machine that'll give
you a fighting chance of one day seeing yur own model heli flying through
the air resplendent in its Hughes 300 bodyjob.

> BTW, I've read enough in the past few days to know that, as a complete
> novice, I probably shouldn't make this my first flying copter (unless I
> want to be the owner of  a box of Cricket pieces) - so it'll probably
> be a static model for the time being. But I'd certainly like to make it
> flyable.

Any particular reason why? They fly like crap even when they're being flown
by good flyers.

> Anyone have bits and pieces for sale?  I so, please let me know.

Sorry, I gave all my Cricket parts away about 20 years ago.

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Beav
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Steve R - 23 Nov 2005 21:31 GMT
Leave it to Beav (no pun intended!  ;-) ) to lay it all on the table.  It's
actually nothing I wasn't thinking but didn't want to discourage him too
much!

Best of luck!
Steve R.

>> Hi all,
>>
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>
> mail is beavis dot original at ntlworld dot com (with the obvious changes)
adwordspro@google.com - 24 Nov 2005 00:10 GMT
"...You're not though, you're a wannabee model helicopter flyer and
there's a world of difference."

Heheh. Surely there is. However, I'm more like a former industrial
designer/model maker who likes old-tech a lot - but also likes to have
it original and functional. For example, I don't type on any of vintage
typewriters I've refurbished, but they all work beautifully, and I sure
do enjoy them. Had to learn about those too, by the way. ;)

I almost hesitate to ask this now, but I'll risk it anyway: The machine
I bought has the rear rotor wire running *through* the tail boom,
rather than under it. The boom itself is tripod mounted, and
essentially suspended by that tripod of aluminum tubes just aft of the
driven gear. This is unlike any 'Cricket' pictures I've seen. Does that
help to date this model, or does it mean that this is not a Cricket at
all.

Thanks for any info. And Steve, thanks again for your best wishes.
Beav - 25 Nov 2005 00:32 GMT
> "...You're not though, you're a wannabee model helicopter flyer and
> there's a world of difference."
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> help to date this model, or does it mean that this is not a Cricket at
> all.

It means it's a modified Cricket, like the majority of them came to be.

The Cricket was a VERY basic etry level heli when entry level meant "Crap".
It was actually a reasonable attempt by GMP to provide a cheap and easy "in"
to model heli's, but it was never an easy to fly machine even for those who
could already fly. It got absoluely PANNED in the heli rags of the day
because it basically failed to "do what it said on the tin", and it won't do
it any easier today. In fact, with the total lack of parts available, it
probably won't do it at all anymore.

And I have to say "Thankfully". Things have moved on since the 80's and
that's how it should be.

--
Beav
OMF#19
VN 750
Zed Thou

mail is beavis dot original at ntlworld dot com (with the obvious changes)
new2copters - 24 Nov 2005 00:14 GMT
"...You're not though, you're a wannabee model helicopter flyer and
there's a world of difference."

Heheh. Surely there is. However, I'm more like a former industrial
designer/model maker who likes old-tech a lot - but also likes to have
it original and functional. For example, I don't type on any of vintage
typewriters I've refurbished, but they all work beautifully, and I sure
do enjoy them. Had to learn about those too, by the way. ;)

A quick question, in the hopes that another old-tech fan might know.
The machine I bought has the rear rotor wire running *through* the tail
boom, rather than under it. The boom itself is tripod mounted, and
essentially suspended by that tripod of aluminum tubes just aft of the
driven gear. This is unlike any 'Cricket' pictures I've seen. Does that
help to date this model, or does it mean that this is not a Cricket at
all.

Thanks for any info. And Steve, thanks again for your best wishes.
Beav - 25 Nov 2005 00:29 GMT
> Leave it to Beav (no pun intended!  ;-) ) to lay it all on the table.  It's
> actually nothing I wasn't thinking but didn't want to discourage him too
> much!

I wouldn't want anyone to waste a bunch of time and money on something
that's only going to cost and give nothing back. You know me Steve, generous
to a f.cking fault :)

--
Beav
OMF#19
VN 750
Zed Thou

mail is beavis dot original at ntlworld dot com (with the obvious changes)
The OTHER Kevin in San Diego - 25 Nov 2005 06:42 GMT
>> Leave it to Beav (no pun intended!  ;-) ) to lay it all on the table.
>It's
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
>that's only going to cost and give nothing back. You know me Steve, generous
>to a f.cking fault :)

modest as all hell too..
Beav - 26 Nov 2005 02:10 GMT
> >> Leave it to Beav (no pun intended!  ;-) ) to lay it all on the table.
> >It's
[quoted text clipped - 6 lines]
>
> modest as all hell too..

It's taken some time Kev, but you're getting the idea :))

--
Beav
OMF#19
VN 750
Zed Thou

mail is beavis dot original at ntlworld dot com (with the obvious changes)
Beav - 25 Nov 2005 00:28 GMT
> > Hi all,
> >
[quoted text clipped - 7 lines]
>
> May I make a suggestion (retorical of course).

Without an "H" even!!!

--
Beav
OMF#19
VN 750
Zed Thou

mail is beavis dot original at ntlworld dot com (with the obvious changes)
 
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