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Model Forum / Radio Controlled / Helicopters / November 2005Aerial pictures
I want to take aerial pictures from a couple of hundred or so feet up, in public places. I think for the most part a model heli is not acceptable because of liability etc. I'm thinking of using a tethered helium ship with photographic and remote cameras on board. Any recommendations concerning equipment, ships and manufacturers of wireless cameras would be appreciated.  SignatureAdrian Smith www.YourStadium.com Superb aerial pictures of UK football stadiums. >I want to take aerial pictures from a couple of hundred or so feet up, in >public places. I think for the most part a model heli is not acceptable [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] >Any recommendations concerning equipment, ships and manufacturers of >wireless cameras would be appreciated. Rent me a helicopter and I'll fly ya wherever you want to go. :) >>I want to take aerial pictures from a couple of hundred or so feet up, in >>public places. I think for the most part a model heli is not acceptable [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > > Rent me a helicopter and I'll fly ya wherever you want to go. :) I used to have the same arrangement with a friend of mine. I paid for the flight and he flew the plane for free. Got all the piccies I wanted. These pictures need to be of a very high quality, better than you can get from a real ship flying at a legal height over a populated area. How much does it cost to rent a small heli for an hour? SignatureAdrian Smith www.YourStadium.com Superb aerial pictures of UK football stadiums. >I used to have the same arrangement with a friend of mine. I paid for the >flight and he flew the plane for free. Got all the piccies I wanted. Regfulation violation for a pilot with just a private license over here. Gotta have a commercial ticket to have someone else pay more than their pro-rata share for the flight (i.e you can split costs equally as a private pilot) Still, a nice arrangement.. >These pictures need to be of a very high quality, better than you can get >from a real ship flying at a legal height over a populated area. That's the cool part about helicopters. You can fly as low as you want as long as you pose no undue rick to persons or property on the ground. (US regs anways) >How much does it cost to rent a small heli for an hour? The place I fly from rents the R22 for $185/hour. Not sure what the Hughes 300s are going for.. I'd guess $250/hour or so... >>I used to have the same arrangement with a friend of mine. I paid for the >>flight and he flew the plane for free. Got all the piccies I wanted. [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > than their pro-rata share for the flight (i.e you can split costs > equally as a private pilot) Still, a nice arrangement.. You sure on that? Sounds like they tightened up the regs then. I learned in the late 70's & early 80's. Back then, you had to have a commercial ticket if you expected to be paid for services rendered as a pilot. If my friend wants to take some aerial photos, rents an airplane to do it in and has me, as a private pilot, fly the bird, it's Ok as long as no money passes to me for flying the airplane. Who pays for the aircraft rental is, or at least was, irrelevant. Just wondering? Fly Safe, Steve R. >You sure on that? Sounds like they tightened up the regs then. I learned >in the late 70's & early 80's. Back then, you had to have a commercial [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] >to me for flying the airplane. Who pays for the aircraft rental is, or at >least was, irrelevant. Yep. CFR 14 part 61.113 says basically a private pilot may not act as PIC of an aircraft carrying passengers or property for compensation or hire. A private pilot may for compensation or hire act as PIC in connection with any business or employemnt IF the flight in incidental to that business or employment and the aircraft doesn't carry passengers for compensation or hire. A private pilot may not pay less than the pro-rata share of the operating expenses of a flight with passengers provided those expenses include only fuel, oil, airport fees and/or rental fees. We had a lengthy discussion in CFI ground school about what you can and cant do as a private pilot when money is involved. Basically, you can't do sh.t as a PP and as a commercial pilot, you still can't do sh.t. heheh The FARs are so full of legalese, I'm amazed every pilot in the US isn't in some kind of trouble. My CFI ground school instructor told us that we violate some part of the FARs each time we fly. I don't doubt it for a minute. >>You sure on that? Sounds like they tightened up the regs then. I learned >>in the late 70's & early 80's. Back then, you had to have a commercial [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > business or employment and the aircraft doesn't carry passengers for > compensation or hire. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > A private pilot may not pay less than the pro-rata share of the > operating expenses of a flight with passengers provided those expenses > include only fuel, oil, airport fees and/or rental fees. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- "THAT" is the part that didn't exist when I learned to fly!! The paragraph above it did, but not the one I just emphisized. A private pilot could act as PIC in connection with any business or employment "if" the flight was "incidental" to that business or employment and the aircraft wasn't carrying paying passengers. The part about a private pilot may not "pay less than the pro-rata share of the operating expenses of a flight" is brand new to me! It also seems to contradict the paragraph above it. Typical feds BS, isn't it. :-/ Makes me wonder how much else has changed. Thanks for the clarification, Kevin! Fly Safe, Steve R. >> A private pilot may for compensation or hire act as PIC in connection >> with any business or employemnt IF the flight is incidental to that [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] >"incidental" to that business or employment and the aircraft wasn't carrying >paying passengers. We took about 30 minutes one afternoon to define "incidental" and 8 of us couldn't come to any sort of agreement on what it really meant. We decided we'd all be safe and not do anything for compensation until we got our commercial tickets.. >The part about a private pilot may not "pay less than the pro-rata share of >the operating expenses of a flight" is brand new to me! It also seems to >contradict the paragraph above it. Typical feds BS, isn't it. :-/ Equal shares all around. I guess the PP is only paying for HIS portion of the flight and everyone else is paying for THEIR portion. Funny how that works, but the PIC takes all the responsibility and blame if the sh.t hits the fan. >Makes me wonder how much else has changed. Thanks for the clarification, >Kevin! I've got to pick up my 2006 FAR and start reading to see what changes have been made... Just when I got my 2005 version all marked up and tabbed too.. :) >>I want to take aerial pictures from a couple of hundred or so feet up, in >>public places. I think for the most part a model heli is not acceptable [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > > Rent me a helicopter and I'll fly ya wherever you want to go. :) Heluim has a lift capacity of 0.064 lb/ft3 so to lift a a 1lb ship and payload you will need a ship 2.5ft X 2.5ft X 2.5ft so you either need to think small and light or you are going to need a seroius amount of helium >>>I want to take aerial pictures from a couple of hundred or so feet up, in >>>public places. I think for the most part a model heli is not acceptable [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > payload you will need a ship 2.5ft X 2.5ft X 2.5ft so you either need to > think small and light or you are going to need a seroius amount of helium That ties in with my calculation of 1KG of lift for 1m3 of Helium. We currently estimate a required lift of approx 3-4 kg including the blimp. So this means we need over 4m3 of Helium. Furtunately when purchased in large bottles Helium is not that expensive. Anyone know of any uk based blimp suplliers? SignatureAdrian Smith www.YourStadium.com Superb aerial pictures of UK football stadiums. Has anyone used one of the cameras available from www.blip.au? For about $100 they look pretty interesting. Steve that should be www.blip.com.au . I have just ordered one, should have it by Monday. let you know how it goes. > Has anyone used one of the cameras available from www.blip.au? For > about $100 they look pretty interesting. > > Steve |
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