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Tanja O. Nathansen - 25 Sep 2006 21:18 GMT
Hello everybody.
I know absolutely nothing about helicopters, but I would really like to give
my husband one for his birthday. I have looked at this and it seems to be
good for beginners - what do you think?
http://www.rcfun.dk/product.asp?product=428&sub=1&page=1
(It's in Danish)

The twist is, that when he is going to try it (on his birthday) I have
ordered a real R44 to come and take him for a sightseeing flight. I am sure
he will love both presents! :o)

Kind regards
Tanja
mporlier - 26 Sep 2006 13:59 GMT
I wish you were my wife with those kings of gift!

On the serious side Does you husband know anything about RC
planes/helicopter? If not, this is probably not the first heli I would
suggest. A dual counter rotating rotor would be better. Much easier to
learn how to fly and very forgiving. This is a very good example
http://www.horizonhobby.com/Products/Default.aspx?ProdId=EFLH1200

The model you selected is also good to learn with but crashes will be a
bit more expensive and they WILL happen! Also in theory both those heli
are indoor flyer. 2-3 km wind is to much for them. Are you ready to see
your husband fly this in your basement?

Hope this helps a bit,

Cheers from Canada

> Hello everybody.
> I know absolutely nothing about helicopters, but I would really like to give
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> Kind regards
> Tanja
Doug McLaren - 26 Sep 2006 16:33 GMT
| On the serious side Does you husband know anything about RC
| planes/helicopter? If not, this is probably not the first heli I would
| suggest. A dual counter rotating rotor would be better. Much easier to
| learn how to fly and very forgiving.

I agree with your suggestions and all, but I'm about to diverge on a
tangent here :)

I've often wondered what it was that made my Blade CX so stable
compared to other helicopters.  I've been told that it's the
contra-rotating rotors, but that never seemed right, and after playing
with the $30 Picco-Z helicopter from Radio Shack I've realized what it
really is.

It's the stabilizer bar that makes the Blade CX (and Picco-Z) stable,
not the contra-rotating rotors.  If you twist the helicopter in some
direction, the gyroscopic effects on the stabilizer bar cause it to
adjust the pitch of the rotors it's connected to in such a way to
oppose the motion -- very elegant, simple and effective.

In the case of the Blade CX, the top rotor has the stabilizer bar
connected, so it's what keeps the helicopter stable, and the bottom
rotor has a swashplate connected, which is what allows you to control
the helicopter.  Having two rotors makes this practical (otherwise the
stabilizer bar and servos would fight) but is not what makes the
helicopter stable by itself, and you could certainly make a
contra-rotating helicopter without this stability.

Of course, this also means that when you push the stick all the way
somewhere, the two rotors are fighting each other.  The lower rotor
will eventually win, but since the two rotors are doing the opposite
thing, they're bending in opposite directions, and this tends to lead
to `blade clash'.  They really need to offer a mod where the distances
between the blades is increased -- either that, or more stiff blades.

(But as it is, the Blade CX is a great helicopter trainer.  But it
just doesn't work well outside -- the blades will collide, causing
damage and crashes.  Inside, it's great.  Outside, even light
winds/turbulence will cause this.)

Another advantage with the contra-rotating design is that tail
movements are minimized.  The cheap helicopters generally don't have
HH gyros, and while a rate gyro does help keep the tail motions
minimized, you still have to adjust for it.  But with contra-rotating
rotors, the tail tends to stay put, and the CX still has a gyro to
help control what little fluctuations are left.

Speaking of the Picco-Z, GREAT toy!  It's tiny, but just the thing for
putzing around the office.  Now, if they could make a new model that
had a HH gyro (I'm dreaming, I know) and a second tail rotor that's
pointed up/down (to give you pitch control) it could give the Blade CX
some serious competition in the area of a low-end/ helicopter trainer.
As it is now, it's a toy, but a fun toy.  You'll crash it often, but
it's so light, it never gets hurt.

(Sorry if I'm rambling here, or saying things that everybody already
knew.  It was just sort of an epiphany to me and I was sort of excited
:)

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Ron van Sommeren - 26 Sep 2006 14:50 GMT
Tanja,

Will you marry me? ;-)

You could also ask around in this Danish RC forum www.rc-unionen.dk e.g.
this discussion:
<http://www.rc-unionen.dk/nytforum/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=15894>
<http://www.rc-unionen.dk/nytforum/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=11185>
<http://www.rc-unionen.dk/nytforum/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=9118>

Med venlig hilsen/met vriendelijke groet ;-) Ron van Sommeren
near Nijmegen, the Netherlands
2007 E-fly-in, Aug.26. http://home.hetnet.nl/~ronvans/

----- Original Message -----
 From: Tanja O. Nathansen
 Newsgroups: rec.models.rc.helicopter
 Sent: Monday, September 25, 2006 10:18 PM
 Subject: Beginner

 Hello everybody.
 I know absolutely nothing about helicopters, but I would really like to
give
 my husband one for his birthday. I have looked at this and it seems to be
 good for beginners - what do you think?
 http://www.rcfun.dk/product.asp?product=428&sub=1&page=1
 (It's in Danish)

 The twist is, that when he is going to try it (on his birthday) I have
 ordered a real R44 to come and take him for a sightseeing flight. I am
sure
 he will love both presents! :o)

 Kind regards
 Tanja

> Hello everybody.
> I know absolutely nothing about helicopters, but I would really like to
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> Kind regards
> Tanja
Tanja O. Nathansen - 27 Sep 2006 09:13 GMT
"Ron van Sommeren" wrote>
> Will you marry me? ;-)
"mporlier" wrote>
>I wish you were my wife with those kings of gift!

I guess some guys just have all the luck  ;o) just kidding. I am also a
bitch and a nagger.  ;o)

"Ron van Sommeren" wrote>
> You could also ask around in this Danish RC forum www.rc-unionen.dk

I didn't know this forum - thank you for telling me.
I guess I will need a simulator instead of a heli. When I saw a couple of
photos from first flights I could see the fun fading..........  :o/
Luckily he loves computergames - I know it isn't a "game" in that sense, but
you know what I mean.....
Does anyone have experience shopping here: http://www.hobbydirekt.de ? I
think I have visited the shop once - in my
'girlfriend-of-an-aircraft-spotter-days'.....(he dragged me from one
European airport to another)...  :o)

Thank you all so much for enlightening me on this very interesting subject!

Kind regards
Tanja

> ----- Original Message -----
>  From: Tanja O. Nathansen
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>> Kind regards
>> Tanja
Tanja O. Nathansen - 27 Sep 2006 11:35 GMT
Ha ha - I am trying out the demo of RealFlight G3 - that is fun for about 7
seconds at a time - till I crash!  :oD
I'm not sure I get it.........you can use this with the simulator:
http://www.realflight.com/products/interlink.html
but can you also use your "own" - from you heli? That is so D*** cool!

Kind regards
Tanja

> "Ron van Sommeren" wrote>
>> Will you marry me? ;-)
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>>> Kind regards
>>> Tanja
Tanja O. Nathansen - 27 Sep 2006 11:54 GMT
Hm........I could get hooked on this........
If I buy the sim, should I choose Gas Left or Gas Right? Any preferences?
http://www.hobbydirekt.de/product_info.php?language=en&products_id=3975

Kind regards
Tanja

> Ha ha - I am trying out the demo of RealFlight G3 - that is fun for about
> 7 seconds at a time - till I crash!  :oD
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>>>> Kind regards
>>>> Tanja
funfly3 - 27 Sep 2006 14:01 GMT
if you fly on your own it make little difference(this will open a can of
worms as everybody will have a reason for the mode they fly as being the
best) but if you need somebody to fly your machine then you need to pick
the same mode as your instructor or the majority of your local club
as once learnt its very difficult to reprogram the brain
Kevin
> Hm........I could get hooked on this........
> If I buy the sim, should I choose Gas Left or Gas Right? Any preferences?
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>>>>> Kind regards
>>>>> Tanja
Ron van Sommeren - 27 Sep 2006 14:12 GMT
Goedendag Tanja,

> Does anyone have experience shopping here: http://www.hobbydirekt.de ?
You could ask around in the German www.rclineforum.de
or this newsgroup
de.rec.modelle.misc

Vriendelijke groeten ;-) Ron van Sommeren
near Nijmegen, the Netherlands
2007 E-fly-in, Aug.26. http://home.hetnet.nl/~ronvans/
Malcolm - 26 Sep 2006 22:19 GMT
Be sure to buy him a simulator!
Helis are hard to fly, and the present might crash,,,,,

> Hello everybody.
> I know absolutely nothing about helicopters, but I would really like to
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> Kind regards
> Tanja
 
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