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[Q] Heli tail rotor direction T-rex vs. the real thing

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Redbrick - 03 Oct 2006 17:05 GMT
I've noticed that the T-rex and most model heli tail rotors are on the
starboard side of the aircraft.  Nearly all pictures of a real heli I've seen
are on the port side....why is this?

Thxs
Richard - 03 Oct 2006 17:42 GMT
> I've noticed that the T-rex and most model heli tail rotors are on the
> starboard side of the aircraft.  Nearly all pictures of a real heli I've seen
> are on the port side....why is this?
>
> Thxs

I'll take a guess and say that it has something to do with the direction of
rotation of the main blades.  Looking at few Russian helicopters the tail
rotors are on the opposite side to US helicopters and the ones that are
different their main blades rotate the opposite directions.

I don't no the reason for this but its a interesting topic.

Cheers
funfly3 - 03 Oct 2006 18:40 GMT
>> I've noticed that the T-rex and most model heli tail rotors are on the
>> starboard side of the aircraft.  Nearly all pictures of a real heli I've
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>
> Cheers

 it looks like Richard hit the nail on the head, all the photo's I have
of full size the main rotors go anti-clockwise and my t-rex and Nexus go
Clockwise and it must be more efficient for the tail to blow into thin
air rather than blow onto the boom
Beav - 03 Oct 2006 21:12 GMT
>> I've noticed that the T-rex and most model heli tail rotors are on the
>> starboard side of the aircraft.  Nearly all pictures of a real heli I've
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> of
> rotation of the main blades.

More likely to be something far less sinister than that:-) The early Cobra's
(as an example) from Bell had the tail rotor on one side, but it was flipped
during the re-modelling to (IIRC) the "Whiskey" model to the other side This
had the added effect of changing the rotation direction, but was tthat the
reason? Some say yes it was, others say no it wasn't.

There's always been the issue of which way the tail rotor rotates (low blade
moving forwards or low blade moving backwards), but that's as definable as
anything else in helicopters. There're sound reasons why one way is better
than the other ON PAPER, but it doesn't translate well to the real world,
although the biggext differences between model and full size IS thew
direction of rotation.

Models generally have the low tail blade moving forwards, while full size
don't.

Looking at few Russian helicopters the tail
> rotors are on the opposite side to US helicopters and the ones that are
> different their main blades rotate the opposite directions.
>
> I don't no the reason for this but its a interesting topic.

I doub there IS a reason.

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Steve R - 04 Oct 2006 19:04 GMT
>>> I've noticed that the T-rex and most model heli tail rotors are on the
>>> starboard side of the aircraft.  Nearly all pictures of a real heli I've
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>
> I doub there IS a reason.

I would tend to agree, but, from what I've read through the years, at least
among the modeling community, it's generally thought that a pusher
configuration of the tail rotor is more efficient than a tractor
configuration.  Also, having the forward half of the tail disk rising into
the main rotors downwash is considered better than having it go the other
way.

Why the full size birds are setup they way they are may be decided by
nothing other than the parts inventory that's on hand when the bird is being
designed.  I've flown models with tractor and pusher tailrotors and the tail
disk itself spinning in either direction.  For normal flying around, I
couldn't tell any difference.  They all worked.  The top pilots in the
world, flying their hard core 3D maneuvers probably could but beyond that, I
don't think I'd worry about it!

FWIW!  :-)

Fly Safe,
Steve R.
The OTHER Kevin in San Diego - 05 Oct 2006 17:58 GMT
>I would tend to agree, but, from what I've read through the years, at least
>among the modeling community, it's generally thought that a pusher
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>world, flying their hard core 3D maneuvers probably could but beyond that, I
>don't think I'd worry about it!

Yep, I think so too....  Depends on what parts/designs are on hand..
Look at the R44 and R22.  Both are pushers, but they spin opposite
directions...  I asked the guy teaching the maintenance part of the
factory course about that and he said it had something to do with the
configuration of the tailrotor gearboxes.

As long as the TR's got enough authority to handle the requirements of
the ship, it's good enough for me.
Beav - 05 Oct 2006 21:27 GMT
>>>> I've noticed that the T-rex and most model heli tail rotors are on the
>>>> starboard side of the aircraft.  Nearly all pictures of a real heli
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> configuration of the tail rotor is more efficient than a tractor
> configuration.

That may have been the case when thevertical stabs were gigantic
buildings:-) Now though, they're nothing more than skeletons, so I don't
think it makes a bit of difference.

 Also, having the forward half of the tail disk rising into
> the main rotors downwash is considered better than having it go the other
> way.

I DO like that, I have to say. Always have.

> Why the full size birds are setup they way they are may be decided by
> nothing other than the parts inventory that's on hand when the bird is
> being designed.

I'd like to think so, but the manufacturers probably have a million
"reasons" why they are how they are.

 I've flown models with tractor and pusher tailrotors and the tail
> disk itself spinning in either direction.  For normal flying around, I
> couldn't tell any difference.  They all worked.

Indeed they do.

The top pilots in the
> world, flying their hard core 3D maneuvers probably could but beyond that,
> I don't think I'd worry about it!

Nor me.

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