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Model Forum / Radio Controlled / Helicopters / December 2006Newbie opinion request
Hello all! My husband is interested in trying out rc helicopter flying. I would like to get him one for Christmas. Can anyone recommend a decent beginner model? Basically, something good enough that he could enjoy if he likes it but that won't be a huge loss if it collects dust. I don't mind spending extra $ for a quality item but I don't know anything about these. Thanks for any help, Barb  SignaturePlease visit us at: www.testprepnj.com You might want to look at (google for) the "E-sky Lama V3" Word on the street is that it perform acceptably when compared to other in-door models. HTH, best regards Olaf When I posted, I didn't realize there were indoor & outdoor models. It would be used outdoors only. Thanks, Barb SignaturePlease visit us at: www.testprepnj.com > You might want to look at (google for) the "E-sky Lama V3" > [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > > Olaf > When I posted, I didn't realize there were indoor & outdoor models. It > would be used outdoors only. > > Thanks, > Barb outdoor models are larger and more expensive and most are not beginner models at all, some are easier to fly but they are all hard and it will be crashed at some point so go for one you can get spares for, and if you have a club near you ask them before spending any money Okay, I decided to get the Eflite Blade CX. Thanks for all the help! Can anyone offer suggestions on accessories that are worth having? Thanks again, Barb SignaturePlease visit us at: www.testprepnj.com >> When I posted, I didn't realize there were indoor & outdoor models. It >> would be used outdoors only. [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > crashed at some point so go for one you can get spares for, and if you > have a club near you ask them before spending any money : Okay, I decided to get the Eflite Blade CX. Thanks for all the help! Can : anyone offer suggestions on accessories that are worth having? [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] : > crashed at some point so go for one you can get spares for, and if you : > have a club near you ask them before spending any money A crash kit :) > Okay, I decided to get the Eflite Blade CX. Thanks for all the help! Can > anyone offer suggestions on accessories that are worth having? > > Thanks again, > Barb A high quality lipo (lithium polymer) balancing battery charger. Not cheap, but worth every penny in the long run. | > Okay, I decided to get the Eflite Blade CX. Thanks for all the help! Can | > anyone offer suggestions on accessories that are worth having? | | A high quality lipo (lithium polymer) balancing battery charger. Not | cheap, but worth every penny in the long run. The LiPo charger the Blade CX comes with is perfectly adequate for charging the batteries it uses. You only need a better charger if you get something else. (Rechargable batteries for the TX might be nice.) SignatureDoug McLaren, dougmc@frenzied.us Indecision is the key to flexibility. > The LiPo charger the Blade CX comes with is perfectly adequate for > charging the batteries it uses. You only need a better charger if you > get something else. The e-sky lipo charger only charges until any one cell reaches a pre-set cutoff voltage. It does not balance, and doesn't even peak charge. It wont start a fire, but it will probably destroy your packs over the long run. >> The LiPo charger the Blade CX comes with is perfectly adequate for >> charging the batteries it uses. You only need a better charger if you [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > charge. It wont start a fire, but it will probably destroy your packs > over the long run. you are wrong on 2 counts 1, no Lipo charger ever peak charges a pack its not needed or even possible(look it up on the web) 2,it does not charge 1 cell it charges all cells to a pre-set voltage and to balance charge a pack just add one of these to any charger https://www.unitedhobbies.com/UNITEDHOBBIES/store/comersus_viewItem.asp?idProduc t=2057 >and to balance charge a pack just add one of these to any charger >https://www.unitedhobbies.com/UNITEDHOBBIES/store/comersus_viewItem.asp?idProduc t=2057 Assuming said pack has a balance tap wired in to it. >> and to balance charge a pack just add one of these to any charger >> https://www.unitedhobbies.com/UNITEDHOBBIES/store/comersus_viewItem.asp?idProduc t=2057 > > Assuming said pack has a balance tap wired in to it. True | >> The LiPo charger the Blade CX comes with is perfectly adequate for | >> charging the batteries it uses. You only need a better charger if you [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] | > charge. It wont start a fire, but it will probably destroy your packs | > over the long run. We're not talking about the E-Sky. We're talking about the Blade CX, and after watching mine, it appears to work perfectly as a basic 2 cell balancing charger. | you are wrong on 2 counts | 1, no Lipo charger ever peak charges a pack its not needed or even | possible(look it up on the web) Depends on how you define `peak charge'. The term certainly came into existance with NiCd/NiMH chargers, and there it means that the charger stops when the battery reaches it's `peak', and in that case, a LiPo charger certainly qualifies. Charging LiPo packs is a good deal easier than NiCd/NiMH -- just go to 4.2 volts/cell and you're done. You don't need to detect the voltage drop at the `peak' -- just stop at 4.2 volts/cell and you're golden. And since each cell is charged seperately, it's automatically balanced. | 2,it does not charge 1 cell it charges all cells to a pre-set voltage The Blade CX charger is a balance charger, and it charges both cells to 4.2 volts. It works perfectly. You'll only need a better charger if 1) you want to charge at more than 500 mA, or 2) you need to charge more than 2 cells (which you certainly will if you get a better helicopter, but you don't need that for the CX.) SignatureDoug McLaren, dougmc@frenzied.us It's never too late to panic. > | >> The LiPo charger the Blade CX comes with is perfectly adequate for > | >> charging the batteries it uses. You only need a better charger if you [quoted text clipped - 17 lines] > stops when the battery reaches it's `peak', and in that case, a LiPo > charger certainly qualifies. the charger does not stop charging at 4.2v a cell its a preset to a voltage of 4.2v a cell, when the charge current gets to zero(or near enough)it then removes the voltage, it has no idea of the cell volts as the charge voltage is constant its the current that changes > Charging LiPo packs is a good deal easier than NiCd/NiMH -- just go to > 4.2 volts/cell and you're done. You don't need to detect the voltage [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > The Blade CX charger is a balance charger, and it charges both cells > to 4.2 volts. It works perfectly. I stand corrected on this point > You'll only need a better charger if 1) you want to charge at more > than 500 mA, or 2) you need to charge more than 2 cells (which you > certainly will if you get a better helicopter, but you don't need that > for the CX.) | > Depends on how you define `peak charge'. The term certainly came into | > existance with NiCd/NiMH chargers, and there it means that the charger [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] | enough)it then removes the voltage, it has no idea of the cell volts as | the charge voltage is constant its the current that changes When the charge current reaches 0, this is another way of saying that it `stops charging'. You're just picking nits. A simple but fine single cell LiPo charger can be made by simply taking a 4.2 volt power source and charging through a resistor to limit the current. The charge rate will drop as the voltage reaches 4.2 volts, and once the voltage does reach 4.2 volts (which to be fair, will never happen -- it'll just get closer and closer and closer) the charge rate will be zero. After a few hours, it may be at 4.19 volts and charging at 0.01 mA -- for all practical purposes, it's done charging. SignatureDoug McLaren, dougmc@frenzied.us Einstein argued that there must be simplified explanations of nature, because God is not capricious or arbitrary. No such faith comforts the software engineer. - Fred Brooks, Jr. > | > Depends on how you define `peak charge'. The term certainly came into > | > existance with NiCd/NiMH chargers, and there it means that the charger [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > When the charge current reaches 0, this is another way of saying that > it `stops charging'. You're just picking nits. not really a peak charger keeps charging till the peak is detected at which time it switches off the charge current which has been constant, a Lipo charger as you say the current reaches zero and the charger detects this but it does not need to stop the charge current as there as the voltage remained constant > A simple but fine single cell LiPo charger can be made by simply > taking a 4.2 volt power source and charging through a resistor to [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > After a few hours, it may be at 4.19 volts and charging at 0.01 mA -- > for all practical purposes, it's done charging. > Okay, I decided to get the Eflite Blade CX. Thanks for all the help! Can > anyone offer suggestions on accessories that are worth having? > > Thanks again, > Barb The BEST gift you can give him is a flight simulator like Realflight G3.5. Take it from me, I started with a Blade and wanted to upgrade after 2 weeks. I purchased a Align T-REX 450 SE but crashed it 4 times. I than invested in a SIM and it was worth every penny!!! Marc > Okay, I decided to get the Eflite Blade CX. Thanks for all the help! Can > anyone offer suggestions on accessories that are worth having? > > Thanks again, > Barb The BEST gift you can give him is a flight simulator like Realflight G3.5. Take it from me, I started with a Blade and wanted to upgrade after 2 weeks. I purchased a Align T-REX 450 SE but crashed it 4 times. I than invested in a SIM and it was worth every penny!!! Marc >> When I posted, I didn't realize there were indoor & outdoor models. >> It would be used outdoors only. [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > be crashed at some point so go for one you can get spares for, and if > you have a club near you ask them before spending any money This is true.. They are expensive as crud, and if you crash it'd be $50 or more to get it in the air again.. I'll prob get bashed for saying this, but a thought may be a Lite Machines LMH. It's a fixed pitch balsa frame heli that takes alot of abuse.. The reason I say I'd get bashed is because it's a fixed pitch. Almost every heli person out there will scoff at that. But all things considered, I few mine into trees with little more than needing to give the tail boom a tug and get it straight. Just MO. >>> When I posted, I didn't realize there were indoor & outdoor models. It >>> would be used outdoors only. [quoted text clipped - 19 lines] > > Just MO. Find an experienced pilot, willing to help and instruct, and you shouldn't have many issues learning to fly something like a 30 size model and it "will" fly way more easily than something like an LMH will. The problem with birds like the LMH is that, while they may take a crash well and be cheap to fix, you're going to be crashing oh so many times because they're small and "relatively" flighty compared to the larger birds. There is nothing wrong with fixed pitch rotors, and I'm not bashing you for recommending one, but there really is a reason you don't see them much any more except in the very small models. They simply don't respond well to throttle changes because it takes too much time for speed up or slow down the rotor. Just MO too! ;-) Fly Safe, Steve R. The Honey Bee esky lama 2 is good choice. Or you can get the Blade CX too. Both of them are similar and good beginner helicopters. Video: http://www.linknety.com/modevideos/demo/zoom.php?id=14 > Hello all! My husband is interested in trying out rc helicopter flying. I > would like to get him one for Christmas. Can anyone recommend a decent [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > Thanks for any help, > Barb Barbara, make sure your husband reads this site before charges the batteries and tries to get airborne. Radd's School of Rotary Flight Address:http://www.dream-models.com/eco/index.html Will do, thanks! Barb Please visit us at: www.testprepnj.com Barbara, make sure your husband reads this site before charges the batteries and tries to get airborne. Radd's School of Rotary Flight Address:http://www.dream-models.com/eco/index.html ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ .......in coming message........ |
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