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Model Forum / Radio Controlled / Helicopters / March 2007RealFlight
Did anyone try running RealFlight 3.5 on a laptop? If so what make and model please. I have to buy a laptop, and can't get any info on integrated GPU's with shared memory. I know they can run games. Many have the Intel Express Media Accelerator 950 chipset. ...jerry You'll find the integrated Intel video woefully inadequate for running any of the flight simulators currently available, except for maybe FMS. You will want to find a notebook with an ATI or Nvidia of some kind. While there is a variety of notebook video chips and I'd be hard pressed to explain them all in this forum, I can state categorically that the worst ATI or Nvidia graphics chip will run a flight simulator much better than Intel's best integrated graphics chip. You might find a few articles enlightening: http://www.anandtech.com/video/showdoc.aspx?i=2427 http://www.anandtech.com/video/showdoc.aspx?i=2268 The first article is over two years old, and it openly discusses how Intel's 950 video chip totally sucked even way back then. Any notebook with any ATI or Nvidia video chipset will be the way to go. You won't have to spend a lot of money either. I've seen Dell and Toshiba notebooks available in the $600 range with ATI video chips. Good luck and good shopping! > Did anyone try running RealFlight 3.5 on a laptop? > If so what make and model please. [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > Many have the Intel Express Media Accelerator 950 chipset. > ...jerry > You'll find the integrated Intel video woefully inadequate for running any > of the flight simulators currently available, except for maybe FMS. [quoted text clipped - 27 lines] >> Many have the Intel Express Media Accelerator 950 chipset. >> ...jerry on a shop website is the following LAPTOPS: The RealFlight software has been run successfully on many laptops. Generally, laptops with the following video chipsets will run RealFlight adequately under most conditions: Nvidia GeForce 5500 (or higher) ATI Radeon 9600 (or higher) Most laptops have the Nvidia GeForce 6150 integrated shared memory. It's Direct X9 but I can't find out if RF G3.5 will run on it. The GeForce 6150 integrated video chip is a generation more advanced than the 5500-series that Real Flight mentions on their website. It won't provide scorchingly fast frame rates with all of the detail turned up, but the 6150 integrated graphics core will provide good, usable performance for G3.5 and it will perform much better than the Intel graphics core. Remember that Real Flight now offers a downloadable free demo. You should be able to burn the file to a CD and take it shopping with you. If somebody wants to sell you a notebook, they should have no problem with you trying the software out at the store. > Most laptops have the Nvidia GeForce 6150 integrated shared memory. > It's Direct X9 but I can't find out if RF G3.5 will run on it. Ed first I want to explain that I live in 2 different places and if I buy a desktop, I'm out of here in May, then back and forth between the two. I emailed "Tech Support" this afternoon, and they fired this right back to me! "Very impressive quick response!" Mar 16, 2007, 8:05pm To: alibi10@webtv.net Subject: Fwd: Re: RealFlight G3.5 Date: Fri, Mar 16, 2007, 3:07pm (EDT-1) From: "RealFlight Tech Support" <RFSUPPORT@hobbico.com> To: G3.5 X-Brightmail: Message tested, results are inconclusive To run RealFlight G3.5 on that video card, you will need to do the following to get reasonably good performance. The color settings and resolution may be set too high and could be impeding the performance of your video card. I would lower these settings a little to enhance performance. Right click on an open area of your DeskTop. Click on Properties Click on the tab at the top that says SETTINGS. Use the drop down menu to change the Color Quality to 16 Bit. Use the slider bar to change the Screen Resolution to 1024 X 768. Then click on apply. The change in color will not really be very noticeable to the eye, but the change to resolution will alter the appearance of the screen a little. Things you can do IN RealFlight G3 to help get a smoother flight include: Start and run RealFlight G3. 1) Click on the View tab at the top of the screen. Click on Show. To the right it lists several graphics features in RealFlight G3 that you can turn off. By clicking on them you can remove the check mark and the simulator will no longer create these effects on the screen. This in turn allows your video card to apply more resources to creating a smooth flight rather than rendering more objects. At the very least I would remove the check mark from the Clouds listing. Clouds eat up a lot of processing power in the video card. You may also want to remove Trees to help out. 2) Lowering the "Graphics quality" of the simulator. Click on the tab at the top of the screen that says Simulation. Click on Settings Click on the '+' sign next to Graphics. Click on Quality. To the right will be several settings you can alter for the graphics quality of the Simulator. Next to Shadow Quality, Particles, Textures, and Misc. Graphics, etc... it most likely says 'Highest'. I would click on the word 'Highest' for each of these and change them to 'Medium'. This should GREATLY effect the smoothness of your flight using that 6150 video card. PLEASE REMEMBER to attach all previous correspondence (and dxdiag information if previously requested) with our responses to any follow up e-mail you may send. This will allow us to better track our attempts to troubleshoot your problem. Unfortunately, due to the volume of e-mail we receive, WE ARE UNABLE TO SAVE OR REMEMBER E-MAIL MESSAGES ONCE WE HAVE SENT A RESPONSE. You can also reach our product support technical team at 217-398-8970 during our regular business hours Monday through Friday 8am to 7pm Central time. Be sure to have your computer specifications and serial number for your software available at the time of your call. HAVE YOU SEEN OUR NEW WEB SITE? In an effort to provide you with the fastest, most up-to-date support available, we have developed a new web site dedicated specifically to answering your questions or concerns regarding all versions of our software. Most of the difficulties users have running our software are related to problems we have already seen many times before, and have consequently developed reliable solutions to correct. Please try visiting this new resource we have developed for you. Most likely your problem or concern has already been encountered before and the fix or answer you need is already there waiting for you! You can visit this new site at www.gpsoftware.com . Please give it a try! Sincerely, James D. Product Support Great Planes Model Distributors www.gpsoftware.com www.realflight.com www.realrace.com www.rc-pilot.com NO AUTORESPONDER _______|_______ ___---(X)---___ o/ \o 12:33 PM >>> Hi, I want to purchase a new HP laptop tomorrow. It has a good dual core cpu and a gig or ram, but I'm concerned about the integrated GPU. It's an Nvidia 6150 integrated gpu with 256 meg of shared memory, DX9 capabilities. I'm not expecting all the full blown graphic detail like on the big desktops, but want to know if RealFlight G3.5 will run on it and operate on a functional usable speed. I wish to purchase RF tomorrow as well, but I can't possibly test even a demo, without purchasing the laptop. ..thank you ...Jerry Alibi10 Jerry schrieb: > Most laptops have the Nvidia GeForce 6150 integrated shared memory. > It's Direct X9 but I can't find out if RF G3.5 will run on it. All true, but my m-atx mainboard used to be running on the 6150 with 256mb of shared memory. I got about 10-15 fps with Reflex XTR. Not enough for a real expirience. The program mentioned also that any form of shared memory used by the graphic-chip will deteriorate performance. Tom I have an older HP/compaq nw8240 and it runs RF3.5 good enough for some practice whilst away from my desktop. It runs ATI Mobility FireGL V5000 display adaptor plus 1Gb or RAM > Did anyone try running RealFlight 3.5 on a laptop? > If so what make and model please. [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > Many have the Intel Express Media Accelerator 950 chipset. > ...jerry Bought the laptop, Nvidia GeForce GO 1650 and RealFlight G3.5. It works GREAT <IMO> Looks and flies real good, and I'm getting mid 30's for FPS. Is that good? It looks good, plus I can turn a lotta stuff down or off. I can't get the cockpit camera, but I might if I turn all the gadgets off?? I'm happy with it! Thanks for your help guys! ..jerry | I can't get the cockpit camera, but I might if I turn all the gadgets | off?? Make sure you're not using a `photofield' -- that sort of setup can only give a view from one place, and the pilot can't move around.  SignatureDoug McLaren, dougmc@frenzied.us Which is worse: Ignorance or Apathy? Who knows? Who cares? Thanks Doug, cockpit camera works now. I couldn't find it in the manual. BTW> What's considered a reasonably good or ideal FPS speed? <Jerry> I can't get the cockpit camera, but I might if I turn all the gadgets off?? <Doug> Make sure you're not using a `photofield´ -- that sort of setup can only give a view from one place, and the pilot can´t move around. -- 30 frames per second is a good, smooth framerate. The human eye can see at about 15 frames per second, so 30 frames per second looks completely smooth as there are 2 frames for every one time the eye can see, slower than that and the motion starts to look "choppy" as the eye catches some of the frame-to-frame changes. Video game geeks who play first-person-shooters often shoot for 60fps or faster video performance to provide silky smooth movement with no hint of stutter or chop. Faster is better, but once you get to 30 frames per second the improvements are a lot less noticable. Thanks Doug, cockpit camera works now. I couldn't find it in the manual. BTW> What's considered a reasonably good or ideal FPS speed? <Jerry> I can't get the cockpit camera, but I might if I turn all the gadgets off?? <Doug> Make sure you're not using a `photofield´ -- that sort of setup can only give a view from one place, and the pilot can´t move around. -- I'm now running low 30's Ed, when running around 15 the helis seemed slower and too easy to fly. That's when I said, "wait a minute, I'm not THIS good!" ...lol ..jerry |
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