I'm going to have a second attempt at learning helis. Girlfriend doesn't
seem totally depressed by the thought of me doodling with toy helictopers!
This time though I'm going to keep it clean and tidy with an electric (have
my eyes on a T-Rex).
Anyway, I'm going to spend the foreseeable future flying pretend ones on my
computer. I understand Phoenix is the latest and greatest simulator, but I
need a little bit of advice regarding radio gear.
I need to buy a TX now, and obviously a copy of Phoenix. There's a Multiplex
Royal EVO 7 that I have my eyes on, for ~ £150, but 7 channels is kind of a
bare minimum for helicopters, isn't it?
For £199 I could get a new JR PCM 9x mk2 from alshobbies. These (and the
Futaba 9C) look rather plasticy and heavy compared to the MPX, but perhaps
there's a major flaw in the MPX that I'm overlooking?
I realise the EVO 7 doens't have all the magical switch reprogramming
functionality of the Evo 9 & 12, but I'm not sure if that matters...
So, what do ya think? I was hoping to get something great for less than £120
(used) but I'm not seeing much. The JR X-378 that I had on my Sceadu seems
to be going for cheap-as-chips on eBay but I did find it awkward to program
with it's very basic display, and I started to struggle with channel
availability when I added the GV-1..
Anyone got anything interesting for sale? It needs to be more than suitable
for a T-Rex as well as Phoenix or Reflex.
> I'm going to have a second attempt at learning helis. Girlfriend doesn't
> seem totally depressed by the thought of me doodling with toy helictopers!
She'll learn :-)
> This time though I'm going to keep it clean and tidy with an electric
> (have my eyes on a T-Rex).
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> Multiplex Royal EVO 7 that I have my eyes on, for ~ £150, but 7 channels
> is kind of a bare minimum for helicopters, isn't it?
I personally wouldn't touch Multiplex with a 10ft barge pole, but that's
just me. And experience with them, of course.
> For £199 I could get a new JR PCM 9x mk2 from alshobbies. These (and the
> Futaba 9C) look rather plasticy and heavy compared to the MPX, but perhaps
> there's a major flaw in the MPX that I'm overlooking?
Get the JR or the Futaba.
> I realise the EVO 7 doens't have all the magical switch reprogramming
> functionality of the Evo 9 & 12, but I'm not sure if that matters...
It matters and it's still a Multiplex.
> So, what do ya think? I was hoping to get something great for less than
> £120 (used) but I'm not seeing much. The JR X-378 that I had on my Sceadu
> seems to be going for cheap-as-chips on eBay but I did find it awkward to
> program with it's very basic display, and I started to struggle with
> channel availability when I added the GV-1..
PCM 9 or 9C. Spend the extra cash and have the right tool for the job.
> Anyone got anything interesting for sale? It needs to be more than
> suitable for a T-Rex as well as Phoenix or Reflex.
Can't help you there Carl. Sorry.

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Carl Farrington - 08 Apr 2007 13:47 GMT
>> I'm going to have a second attempt at learning helis. Girlfriend doesn't
>> seem totally depressed by the thought of me doodling with toy
>> helictopers!
>
> She'll learn :-)
Hope not. She bought the lad a Storm Launcher (Hydrofoam) for x-mas, which
was really for her ;) Yesterday she bought an r/c dragonfly for nephew's
birthday (proper flapping wings jobbie, and actually works!), and then went
out and bought another one to play with in the garden :D
>> This time though I'm going to keep it clean and tidy with an electric
>> (have my eyes on a T-Rex).
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>
> PCM 9 or 9C. Spend the extra cash and have the right tool for the job.
OK then, so it's a choice between the PCM 9x mkII and the 9C[AH]P. I presume
the 9CAP is the Aeroplane version, and 9CHP is the heli version. Is it
possible to switch them around after the fact? Is it just mode1/2 change?
I'm leaning towards the PCM 9x mkII anyway. Good buy at £199 ?
funfly3 - 08 Apr 2007 19:30 GMT
>>> I'm going to have a second attempt at learning helis. Girlfriend doesn't
>>> seem totally depressed by the thought of me doodling with toy
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>
> I'm leaning towards the PCM 9x mkII anyway. Good buy at £199 ?
The 9C transmitters are identical except heli has no ratchet on the
throttle (the little click steps), and the switches are laid out
slightly differently, with trainer on the right.
blatantly copied from AM cross
Beav - 08 Apr 2007 23:20 GMT
>>> I'm going to have a second attempt at learning helis. Girlfriend doesn't
>>> seem totally depressed by the thought of me doodling with toy
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> Is it possible to switch them around after the fact? Is it just mode1/2
> change?
They're essentially the same Tx, but the H version has a smooth throttle
action rather than a ratchet action. Piss easy to get rid of the ratchet
with a file though.
> I'm leaning towards the PCM 9x mkII anyway. Good buy at £199 ?
I should co-co. Rip his arms off, coz the Tx will do you for the rest of
your natural.

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Carl Farrington - 09 Apr 2007 00:26 GMT
>>>> I'm going to have a second attempt at learning helis. Girlfriend
>>>> doesn't seem totally depressed by the thought of me doodling with toy
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> action rather than a ratchet action. Piss easy to get rid of the ratchet
> with a file though.
On the FF4 I used for a buggy, I was able to remove the metal click bracket
thing, but anyway, it's looking like I'm going JR.
>> I'm leaning towards the PCM 9x mkII anyway. Good buy at £199 ?
>
> I should co-co. Rip his arms off, coz the Tx will do you for the rest of
> your natural.
Super :)
Beav - 12 Apr 2007 20:03 GMT
>> They're essentially the same Tx, but the H version has a smooth throttle
>> action rather than a ratchet action. Piss easy to get rid of the ratchet
>> with a file though.
>
> On the FF4 I used for a buggy, I was able to remove the metal click
> bracket thing, but anyway, it's looking like I'm going JR.
If you simply remove the ratchet "rubber", the stick is too loose.
>>> I'm leaning towards the PCM 9x mkII anyway. Good buy at £199 ?
>>
>> I should co-co. Rip his arms off, coz the Tx will do you for the rest of
>> your natural.
>
> Super :)
Got it yet?

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Carl Farrington - 10 Apr 2007 19:58 GMT
>> I'm leaning towards the PCM 9x mkII anyway. Good buy at £199 ?
>
> I should co-co. Rip his arms off, coz the Tx will do you for the rest of
> your natural.
Ordered today. It was £189 with the 'Internet order discount' (about 10%)
that they automatically apply at checkout. Wow.
Beav - 12 Apr 2007 20:03 GMT
>>> I'm leaning towards the PCM 9x mkII anyway. Good buy at £199 ?
>>
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> Ordered today. It was £189 with the 'Internet order discount' (about 10%)
> that they automatically apply at checkout. Wow.
Good price that is.

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| Anyway, I'm going to spend the foreseeable future flying pretend ones on my
| computer. I understand Phoenix is the latest and greatest simulator
It is? I've heard people claim this before, but I don't recall it
ever getting past the point of just a few people claiming it.
| I need to buy a TX now, and obviously a copy of Phoenix. There's a
| Multiplex Royal EVO 7 that I have my eyes on, for ~ £150, but 7
| channels is kind of a bare minimum for helicopters, isn't it?
Well, 5 channels is, but usually the programming you want comes with
radios that have more channels.
The Evos are really nice radios. I've got an Evo 9, but I've never
set up a helicopter on it. It should work, though most helicopter
guys use something else. I'm not sure what Beav's beef with it,
however.
| For £199 I could get a new JR PCM 9x mk2 from alshobbies. These (and the
| Futaba 9C) look rather plasticy and heavy compared to the MPX, but perhaps
| there's a major flaw in the MPX that I'm overlooking?
The Evo is made of plastic too. But it's nice and light compared to
radios by JR, Futaba and others.
If you do buy something new, I'd strongly suggest something that uses
spread spectrum if you can. At least in the US, that means DX6, DX7
and the Futaba 6EX FASST, though more options will open up in the near
future. I suspect that any of them will work reasonably well with a
helicopter, but you might not have all the options a high end radio
might give you.
You might not have all those options ...
| I realise the EVO 7 doens't have all the magical switch reprogramming
| functionality of the Evo 9 & 12, but I'm not sure if that matters...
Do helicopter guys even care about that? I don't really think so.

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Steve R - 09 Apr 2007 22:00 GMT
> | I realise the EVO 7 doens't have all the magical switch reprogramming
> | functionality of the Evo 9 & 12, but I'm not sure if that matters...
>
> Do helicopter guys even care about that? I don't really think so.
YES, we do, or at least "I" do!! I would never have thought of it before
the option became available but it is "very nice" to be able to assign any
function to a given switch, knob, or slider. There have been a number of
times in the past that I found the switch that the manufacturer defaulted a
given function to was totally unusable. This way I can put things where "I"
want them and I can keep it consistent across the board with every model I
fly on the transmitter.
The thing is, there are many features on the upper level radio systems that
I rarely or never use but they are there nonetheless and someone else may
find them useful. It gives you, the operator, the option and that's always
a good thing. When I bought my original model 9Z back around 1995 (I still
have and use that radio BTW!), it was definitely a steep learning curve,
learning to program it. I got through it and over time figured out
different ways to do things with the radio, both on my own and by talking to
others who used the same transmitter. Some of their ideas I learned to use
in my setups and some of them I modified to my liking. Bottom line is, the
system allowed the flexibility to do things the way I wanted to instead of
living with an assumption that some designer made during the design process.
Never fault having options even if you never use them because someone,
somewhere out there will! :-)
Fly Safe,
Steve R.
Carl Farrington - 09 Apr 2007 23:05 GMT
> | Anyway, I'm going to spend the foreseeable future flying pretend ones on
> my
> | computer. I understand Phoenix is the latest and greatest simulator
>
> It is? I've heard people claim this before, but I don't recall it
> ever getting past the point of just a few people claiming it.
Well, from my understanding having read a few reviews and what not, it seems
to be at least on a par with Reflex XTR with regards to physics, the visuals
aren't bad, and it's more reasonably priced.
> | I need to buy a TX now, and obviously a copy of Phoenix. There's a
> | Multiplex Royal EVO 7 that I have my eyes on, for ~ £150, but 7
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> helicopter, but you might not have all the options a high end radio
> might give you.
The only 2.4GHz sets I've seen are re-badged, modified JR X-378s. I had that
radio last time round and I was wanting something a bit more sophisticated
this time.
I have more then 100 hours with a Spektrum DX6 and have had nothing but
great flying. Never a bit of interferience and not even one glitch. The
short antena reciever wires are a plus also. I have been flying RC for 20
years and this is a simple to use transmitter, reciecer combo. I use it with
the Trex 450.