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Bill Kehm - 26 Apr 2007 19:36 GMT
Hi,

Can anyone tell me the advantages/disadvantages of having the
flybar above or below the main rotor? There must be a reason for
having two different schemes. Is one system more stable than the
other or is it a manufacturing consideration? If it is a
stability item which would be better for a beginner?

Thanks,
Bill
Steve R - 26 Apr 2007 21:06 GMT
> Hi,
>
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> Thanks,
> Bill

Bill,

There's no advantage one way or the other.  The rotor will fly just as well
with the flybar above as it will with the flybar below.  The reason for
there being different designs is the same for there being different brands
of cars on the road.  It's just someone else's idea of how to make things
work.

Push come to shove, many of us can give you all kinds of reasons why one
design "might" be preferable to the other under a given set of circumstances
but 98% of that will simply be personal opinion and none of it will make any
difference to you as a newbie!

Generally speaking, most folks tend to recommend you buy whatever happens to
be the most popular in your area.  That way, the folks most likely to help
you are also familiar with your machine.  Beyond that, just get what you
want and don't worry about it.  Also, don't be afraid to ask questions.  You
won't be asking anything that hasn't been asked before, like the question
you just asked!  ;-)

Good luck,
Steve R.
Beav - 30 Apr 2007 20:22 GMT
> Hi,
>
> Can anyone tell me the advantages/disadvantages of having the flybar above
> or below the main rotor?

There are none.

There must be a reason for
> having two different schemes.

Looks and possibly manufacturing ease. That's it.

Is one system more stable than the
> other or is it a manufacturing consideration? If it is a stability item
> which would be better for a beginner?

No, so neither:-)

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Larry - 01 May 2007 15:39 GMT
In most cases a fly bar below the Main Rotor Blades places them at a greater
distance from any part of the helicopter. This reduces the chance of the
blades striking the helicopter in a hard landing or extreme 3D move. Flight
performance will be the same.
Steve R - 01 May 2007 20:33 GMT
> In most cases a fly bar below the Main Rotor Blades places them at a
> greater distance from any part of the helicopter. This reduces the chance
> of the blades striking the helicopter in a hard landing or extreme 3D
> move.

Uuuuhhhhh, maybe?  I've seen plenty of boom strikes on birds with underslung
flybars as well as those on top.  When Schluter first introduced the
Champion (the bird that made the underslung flybar fashionable), they
advertised that it made the control linkages shorter which reduced the
possibility of unwanted flexing and such.  It was true that "some" of the
linkages were shorter.  Others, however, were longer.  It was a wash as far
as I was concerned.  :-)

The only real advantage I can see to having the flybar below the rotor disk
is if you're one of those who really like to see just how close to the
ground you can get the rotor blades in an inverted hover.  ;-)  Beyond that,
there's no significant difference.
Beav - 04 May 2007 23:13 GMT
>> In most cases a fly bar below the Main Rotor Blades places them at a
>> greater distance from any part of the helicopter. This reduces the chance
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> that "some" of the linkages were shorter.  Others, however, were longer.
> It was a wash as far as I was concerned.  :-)

Abso-f.cking-lutely Steve. I was in exactly the same mind. "Marketing
bollocks" is the term I believe:-)

> The only real advantage I can see to having the flybar below the rotor
> disk is if you're one of those who really like to see just how close to
> the ground you can get the rotor blades in an inverted hover.  ;-)  Beyond
> that, there's no significant difference.

With the rotor head at eyeball height, it's "fractionally" harder to see the
flybar, so it's more scale like:-)

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Thomas Korff - 01 May 2007 20:27 GMT
Bill Kehm schrieb:
> Hi,
>
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> Thanks,
> Bill

Hi,
If you have a moving-flybar-system you don´t need the pitch compensator
any more. The response is more direct and possibly a greater pitch range
 can be achieved. (see Henseleit helicopters for more) In this case the
flybar is below the main rotor.

Tom
 
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