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Model Forum / Radio Controlled / Helicopters / July 2007Is it just me?
.. or are these cheap little electric helicopters, like the blade cp, absolutely ruining the possibility of future glow/gas powered r/c pilots? marco > .. or are these cheap little electric helicopters, like the blade cp, > absolutely ruining the possibility of future glow/gas powered r/c pilots? > > marco I don't think so. Models like the Blade CP are great for introducing folks to the world of RC rotorcraft in a way that doesn't cost them an arm and a leg and is relatively easy to fly without having to find someone more experienced to help. I've generally found that if the person is interested enough in model helicopters, they'll transition to the IC powered, or equivelant electric powered versions quickly enough. If they're not, they they won't be around for long anyway. Steve R skrev: >> .. or are these cheap little electric helicopters, like the blade cp, >> absolutely ruining the possibility of future glow/gas powered r/c pilots? [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > equivelant electric powered versions quickly enough. If they're not, they > they won't be around for long anyway. Exatly. I had my walkera 36 for 1½ month.. loved it chrashed a lot, bought a Hirobo Sceadu Evo (.50) and love it..... regards Tommy Fer > Steve R skrev: >>> .. or are these cheap little electric helicopters, like the blade cp, [quoted text clipped - 17 lines] > > regards Tommy Fer Well, I feel a little better now. The only reason I'm raising the question is that I've met 4 people now who've said they won't get into helis after buying and attempting to fly little electrics like the blade, axe, venom, etc. knockoffs.. When I told them that a 30 size heli is way easier to fly, they seemed skeptical. Yeah, I guess its good in a way, because if you can fly one of the little leccys, then you'll be more than ready to fly a big one, and you'll save money with less crashes. marco >> Steve R skrev: >>>> .. or are these cheap little electric helicopters, like the blade cp, [quoted text clipped - 32 lines] > > marco I've been buddy boxing three guys this past year. One of them, Paul, has a friend who's been playing around with the micro electrics and can fly them Ok for the most part but it's only hovering and he's crashed a lot. Paul asked me to let his friend fly the Raptor on our buddy box setup. The guy picked it up into a stable hover and just sat there. Then he moved it around in a very controlled manner. I was impressed. So was he! He said he had no idea that a model helicopter could that stable. I've always been very impressed with the flight qualities of the T-Rex and it's copy-cat brothers but they're still very small helicopters and that makes them twitchy to fly even when they're setup relatively softly. There's just no comparison to a well setup (30 or larger) glo or electric powered model. Fly Safe, Steve R. >>> Steve R skrev: >>>>> .. or are these cheap little electric helicopters, like the blade cp, [quoted text clipped - 47 lines] > Fly Safe, > Steve R. I buddy boxed a guy a few years ago, and I lost an aircraft. And, this was on a slow moving trainer airplane. I'm not much for teaching new pilots since then. I'd like to see a video of someone buddy-boxing a new pilot on one of those cheap electric helis.. OTOH, I'm about ready to start teaching new plane pilots again. As for helis, it's gonne be a while for me, and it'll be strictly glow powered .30 or above. marco > I buddy boxed a guy a few years ago, and I lost an aircraft. And, this > was on a slow moving trainer airplane. [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > > marco Buddy boxing a heli student is a LOT different from doing the same with a fixed wing student. Overall, I think I've had pretty good luck keeping them out of trouble but I've not been 100% successful in preventing a crash and I make it "totally" clear to the first timers and I can do them a lot of good but can't make any guarantees. I'm not sure I'd bother with the cheap electrics. They're either of a type that fly indoor only and don't need the help, or they're too small and unforgiving to be worth the trouble outside. Anything from a 30 size on up works well and I get to fly it first to see how it's setup. Anything "I" don't like gets changed before we start. The process is actually pretty simple. Once both transmitters are matched so I can switch from one to the other without any undue control jumps. We set the model on the ground in front of us, confirm that the students throttle is at idle position, I flip and hold the trainer switch and the student spools up the rotor and attempts a lift off. At this point with a brand new student I'm VERY conservative with what I'll let them do simply because the model is so close to the ground that I've got "no" time to catch it if they screw up. So far, that hasn't been that big a deal. Actually, the guy I've had the most trouble with is the most experienced fixed wing pilot I've worked with. He has a BAD habit of landing and then pulling full up elevator. It works great on airplanes and is totally lousy to do with helicopters. The model is still close to full flight rpm and tilts back until the vertical fin hits the ground and the boom strike follows shortly thereafter and it happens so quickly that I don't stand a chance of catching it. He's done that a couple of times now. :-/ Other than that, it's been a very fun and fulfilling experience. Fly Safe, Steve R. >> Steve R skrev: >>>> .. or are these cheap little electric helicopters, like the blade cp, [quoted text clipped - 23 lines] > who've said they won't get into helis after buying and attempting to fly > little electrics like the blade, axe, venom, etc. knockoffs.. One of the reasons I wouldn't let anyone use any of my sims before they'd bought a real heli. Once they'd bought one, no problem, they could use my sims for as long as they lied, but I've seen too many people put off "real" RC heli flying by sims. Those who don't get into the real RC flying don't know what they're missing, so I tried to keep their interes high enough to spend the cash first (and not with me btw). These people then tend to stick with the hobby and THAT'S good. > When I told them that a 30 size heli is way easier to fly, they seemed > skeptical. > > Yeah, I guess its good in a way, because if you can fly one of the little > leccys, then you'll be more than ready to fly a big one, and you'll save > money with less crashes. But the little leccy jobs get too boring too quickly and unless you get the timing right, the leccy buyers don't transition to the gassers or glo powered machines.  SignatureBeav VN 750 Zed 1000 OMF# 19 >But the little leccy jobs get too boring too quickly and unless you get the >timing right, the leccy buyers don't transition to the gassers or glo >powered machines. I assume by "little" you're referring to the 300 sized micros like the Blade CP etc... I can see how just hovering around would get boring pretty quickly, but hey can still be fun on a calm morning out in the yard. I love terrorizing my daughter's cats in the living room with mine. :) Try flying the AXE CP...it's not at all a toy or simple to fly... >>But the little leccy jobs get too boring too quickly and unless you get >>the [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > yard. I love terrorizing my daughter's cats in the living room with > mine. :) >Try flying the AXE CP...it's not at all a toy or simple to fly... Why when I've got 2 Trex 450s, a Trex 600 and a Raptor 50 to fly? And the slimey mess to clean up...been there, done that! >>Try flying the AXE CP...it's not at all a toy or simple to fly... > > Why when I've got 2 Trex 450s, a Trex 600 and a Raptor 50 to fly? >And the slimey mess to clean up...been there, done that! > >>>Try flying the AXE CP...it's not at all a toy or simple to fly... >> >> Why when I've got 2 Trex 450s, a Trex 600 and a Raptor 50 to fly? Only "slimey mess" is the Raptor, it's it's not bad at all. Since you're so enamored with your Axe, wanna buy my Blade CP? Brushless power, BH head, alum swash, alum CNC frame/boom/tailmotor mount, DD tail. Flies good, but not nearly as well as my 450s and nowhere even close to how the 600 flies.. >>But the little leccy jobs get too boring too quickly and unless you get >>the [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > yard. I love terrorizing my daughter's cats in the living room with > mine. :) They're fine for animal antics (I have a PicoZ for that), but other than that, I ant noise, I want the things to stink and sting my eyes and I want EXPENSE :-) SignatureBeav VN 750 Zed 1000 OMF# 19 >They're fine for animal antics (I have a PicoZ for that), but other than >that, I ant noise, I want the things to stink and sting my eyes and I want >EXPENSE :-) I flew the snot outta my PicooZ last night.. Must've pissed away a couple hours of airtime... You want noise? You want stink? You want your eyes to sting and you want expense? Have a kid. They never shut up, their diapers stink and the diaper pail will make your eyes sting and I won't even BEGIN to delve into the expense aspects.. :) >>They're fine for animal antics (I have a PicoZ for that), but other than >>that, I ant noise, I want the things to stink and sting my eyes and I want >>EXPENSE :-) > > I flew the snot outta my PicooZ last night.. Must've pissed away a > couple hours of airtime... A bit addictive aren't they? :-) > You want noise? You want stink? You want your eyes to sting and you > want expense? 'Course I do, I'm a boke. > Have a kid. They never shut up, their diapers stink and the diaper > pail will make your eyes sting and I won't even BEGIN to delve into > the expense aspects.. :) Been there, not going back. And I used disposable crap catchers too, so no diaper pail to breathe the fumes of. SignatureBeav VN 750 Zed 1000 OMF# 19 >A bit addictive aren't they? :-) Yep. I'm getting pretty good at landing on sleeping cats too.. :) >'Course I do, I'm a boke. Of course, testosterone-boy.... >Been there, not going back. And I used disposable crap catchers too, so no >diaper pail to breathe the fumes of. We used disposables as well, but the pail they went into always stunk to high-heaven. The day my son mastered the grunt-sculpture on the toilet I tossed that sh.t bucket in the garbage and poured myself 4 fingers of 20 year old Scotch to celebrate. :) >>A bit addictive aren't they? :-) > [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > Of course, testosterone-boy.... Regular infusions Kev. >>Been there, not going back. And I used disposable crap catchers too, so no >>diaper pail to breathe the fumes of. [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > toilet I tossed that sh.t bucket in the garbage and poured myself 4 > fingers of 20 year old Scotch to celebrate. :) I never went near any sh.t when my son was a midget. I had (have) a wife for that sort of stuff. SignatureBeav VN 750 Zed 1000 OMF# 19 >Regular infusions Kev. Anally? :) >I never went near any sh.t when my son was a midget. I had (have) a wife for >that sort of stuff. Coward!!! >>Regular infusions Kev. > > Anally? :) Anually too. >>I never went near any sh.t when my son was a midget. I had (have) a wife >>for >>that sort of stuff. > > Coward!!! Clever is the word:) SignatureBeav VN 750 Zed 1000 OMF# 19 Yes, it's just you :-) Bob > .. or are these cheap little electric helicopters, like the blade cp, > absolutely ruining the possibility of future glow/gas powered r/c pilots? > > marco > .. or are these cheap little electric helicopters, like the blade cp, > absolutely ruining the possibility of future glow/gas powered r/c pilots? No Marco, it's not just you. I reckon they've f.cked up the hobby totally and completely. SignatureBeav VN 750 Zed 1000 OMF# 19 |
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