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JOHN REYNOLDS - 23 Jul 2007 13:40 GMT
Guys I'm 47 and I've been flying fixed wing for a couple of years. I reached
a reasonable standard I suppose, "A" certificate but nothing special.

I decided to give helis a try and since April I've been flying at a local
indoor club for a few hours a week on Wednesdays and I can keep my Twister
V2 and my T-Rex 450SE in a fairly static hover. I'm assured that this is
reasonable progress as it takes time to master helis and I'm doing okay. I'm
not looking to do any aerobatics anytime soon but I'd like to be doing some
simple circuits and figure eights this side of Christmas.

I was fairly content with the way things were going until this morning when
I saw something that completely unsettled me. In a video on the Helifreak
site I saw a four year old boy doing things with a heli that are simply
impossible!! He was throwing it sideways and upside down and both at the
same time !! I was astounded.

The question I have is this:- I don't aspire to ever being able to replicate
any of those moves but should I be doing more than a steady hover after 3
months?
Ed Paasch - 23 Jul 2007 14:11 GMT
Mozart was giving piano recitals at age 4, John.  Unless you need to compete
with the four year old wunderkind at a fun fly next weekend, I wouldn't
worry about it.

Building the muscle memory required to hover at an unconciously competent
level takes time, and it sounds like you are progressing nicely in this
regard.  If you're looking for your next big challenge before moving on to
forward flight, just try working on hovering nose-in as well as you hover
tail-in.

Ed

> Guys I'm 47 and I've been flying fixed wing for a couple of years. I
> reached a reasonable standard I suppose, "A" certificate but nothing
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> replicate any of those moves but should I be doing more than a steady
> hover after 3 months?
The OTHER Kevin in San Diego - 23 Jul 2007 17:52 GMT
>Guys I'm 47 and I've been flying fixed wing for a couple of years. I reached
>a reasonable standard I suppose, "A" certificate but nothing special.
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>not looking to do any aerobatics anytime soon but I'd like to be doing some
>simple circuits and figure eights this side of Christmas.

Do you have a simulator?  It'll never replace actually burning
electrons, but it does help with muscle memory development.  I do at
least an hour on the sim 4-5 nights/week and I'm convinced it's helped
me progress and has saved two helis from dumb thumbs in that I was
able to recover from an "unusual attitude".  It's also great for
trying new tricks.  Just use it like you would the real heli.  When
you crash, hit the hold switch just like you would on the real heli.

>I was fairly content with the way things were going until this morning when
>I saw something that completely unsettled me. In a video on the Helifreak
>site I saw a four year old boy doing things with a heli that are simply
>impossible!! He was throwing it sideways and upside down and both at the
>same time !! I was astounded.

Probably Justin Chi.  He's got a LOT of sim time and if definitely one
of those people who are just predisposed to things like this.

>The question I have is this:- I don't aspire to ever being able to replicate
>any of those moves but should I be doing more than a steady hover after 3
>months?

Depends on the person.  I hovered for a LONG time even though I could
fly the sim pretty well.  I just couldn't get over the mental hurdle
and "fear" of crashing.  Several months ago, I just decided to go for
it or bring home broken helis.  I got into forward flight, got
comfortable and broke out some rolls, loops, flips and even an
inverted hover at altitude - all the stuff I'd been doing on the sim
for months.  I did crash one heli, but that was a result of an
autorotation gone bad.

Now, almost everytime I go out, I try to push my personal envelope a
bit.  I've crashed, but have learned it's not a huge deal and with a
nice collection of spares, I can usually repair it at the field and be
flying again in less than an hour.  

You need to decide what you're ready for.  At some point, you'll need
to be able to hover in all orientations.  You've got the tail-in hover
down, why not work on nose-in and side-in?  You can use your current
skills to develop some lateral control as well.  Fly laterally 10-15
feet, stop the heli in a hover and then fly back to your starting
point, hover and repeat.  Do it both left an right.  Do the same
forwards and backwards.  

Have you seen Radd's School of Rotary Flight?  (google is your friend)
A *LOT* of people swear by the methods there.  

Good luck!
Bob Holdford - 23 Jul 2007 20:10 GMT
> Guys I'm 47 and I've been flying fixed wing for a couple of years. I
> reached a reasonable standard I suppose, "A" certificate but nothing
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> replicate any of those moves but should I be doing more than a steady
> hover after 3 months?

You're doing fine mate.  Really, REALLY, does' take time to get into heli's.
A simulator would be a really good move.

Bob....
marco - 24 Jul 2007 08:26 GMT
> Guys I'm 47 and I've been flying fixed wing for a couple of years. I reached
> a reasonable standard I suppose, "A" certificate but nothing special.
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> any of those moves but should I be doing more than a steady hover after 3
> months?

No and maybe.

It takes time, and when it comes to Helis, it really is something where
you have to pace yourself.

Are you sure the kid was 4?  Was someone pulling your leg?  Got a link?

It really doesn't matter by age.  Flying a heli is a state of mind, and
it can't be compared to airplanes at all.  A heli in forward flight is
somewhat like flying an airplane, otherwise, the similarities end.

You're never too old to learn new tricks.  Just keep at it and, like the
others said, get a good computer simulator and practice your a.s off.
That's what I did, and it saved me a lot of money in parts.

marco
Mike @ zen - 25 Jul 2007 00:32 GMT
http://www.justinchi.com/

:-)

>> Guys I'm 47 and I've been flying fixed wing for a couple of years. I
>> reached a reasonable standard I suppose, "A" certificate but nothing
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>
> marco
marco - 25 Jul 2007 09:49 GMT
> http://www.justinchi.com/
>
> :-)

I'm officially impressed.  Although, it looks like he is four and a
half, not four.  :)

I'd better not let my 9 year old twin nephews see this.  They're still
all about rc cars.

marco
Mike @ zen - 25 Jul 2007 19:01 GMT
>> http://www.justinchi.com/
>>
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>
> marco

He flys planks as well
http://www.justinchi.com/page3.html

little sh@% :-)
Mike @ zen - 25 Jul 2007 19:07 GMT
>> http://www.justinchi.com/
>>
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>
> marco

2006-05-07 - First Time On RC Heli
http://www.justinchi.com/videos/2006-05-07-Justin-Raptor50-First_Heli_Flight.wmv
 
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