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Best Helicopter to learn on?

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MasterCrash - 09 Dec 2007 02:52 GMT
Don't make the financial mistake of "Priceing" match, some expensive
ones are crap for a beginer and some cheap ones are nothing but trash,
and some cheap ones fly well. So how do you know?
Fiirst of all log onto helifreak.com,  runryder.com, google these
forums, they are free to surf and post.
But last but not least GO TO YOUR NEAREST FLYING FIELD, OK sorry for
the yelling.
Nothing beats local support from Local people in your area for help.
In my area,
The TRex 450 is THEE helicopter of choice for stable tail rotor belt
driven electrics.
Your area might have alot of HeliMax brands, I had an MX400 for a wile
and it flew fine.
Beginer?  Well most people will tell you to start with a flight
simulator before crashing an even cheap helicopter.
Buy the way 500 dollars for heli electrics and radio transmitter is
concidered cheap, you don't want to crash that the first ten seconds
do you?

I started with a Walkera 39 , A total piece of crap, but it got me
started for 300 dollars radio and all.
The TRex 450 SA cost 189 for the body mechanics, 500 dollars whent
into the servos, 401 gyro and digital tail rotor servo, futaba 149 PCM
reciever and 3 battery packs at 70 dollars a pop. Through in the
Futaba 9CH Pro
Transmitter for another 300 dollars and well, That little TRex is now
over a grand, But, It flys like my Raptor Nitro Hyper 50 , It's stable
as a rock and very predictable, it even can take a little wind here
and there.

Now take that TRex and add less expensive electrics, Futaba 240 Gyro,
Cheapest digital tale rotor servo about 25 bucks [look around] cheaper
Radio transmitter and reciever combo about 150,  and so on, you
probably can get in the air for about 400 dollars in all but it wont
fly like a Raptor 50 hyper Titan!!!

Go to your local hobby store and or Fun fly field and be social and
ask what "They " are using, Now you have a free tech support line when
something goes wrong and whats more these guys know what NOT to buy.

No Field or store near you?  Hang out and surf the helifreak.com
runryder.com and severall other heli forums, you will find only a
handfull of desired brand names, BUY THOSE!!!

Most every one will tell you to start with a flight simulator, G4 and
other popular names are mentioned.
Don't jump into it without knowledge, I have spent over 6 grand on
this hobby with no regrets accept the few times I bought a astard
brand name to save money and it turned out to be crap.
marco - 09 Dec 2007 10:36 GMT
> Don't make the financial mistake of "Priceing" match, some expensive
> ones are crap for a beginer and some cheap ones are nothing but trash,
> and some cheap ones fly well. So how do you know?

You learn thru experience.. and some of it thru research, but that can't
beat your experience.

> Fiirst of all log onto helifreak.com,  runryder.com, google these
> forums, they are free to surf and post.
> But last but not least GO TO YOUR NEAREST FLYING FIELD, OK sorry for
> the yelling.
> Nothing beats local support from Local people in your area for help.

preach on my brutha!

> In my area,
> The TRex 450 is THEE helicopter of choice for stable tail rotor belt
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> Beginner?  Well most people will tell you to start with a flight
> simulator before crashing an even cheap helicopter.

As will I tell anyone, put a hundred hours in a sim first..

> By the way 500 dollars for heli electrics and radio transmitter is
> concidered cheap, you don't want to crash that the first ten seconds
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> ask what "They " are using, Now you have a free tech support line when
> something goes wrong and whats more these guys know what NOT to buy.

Some better than others.  Depends on how bad they wanna sell something,
sometimes.  Most times, they are somewhat helpful. Others, they aren't
experienced but try to be helpful anyways.

> No Field or store near you?  Hang out and surf the helifreak.com
> runryder.com and severall other heli forums, you will find only a
> handfull of desired brand names, BUY THOSE!!!
>
> Most every one will tell you to start with a flight simulator, G4 and
> other popular names are mentioned.

I learned on FMS (free).  I got a PC joystick port adapter to the
trainer port on my radio and learned that way.  You can get trainer port
radio to PC USB adapters nowadays.  They are worth it.

> Don't jump into it without knowledge,

A decent sim will help a lot.  Having someone with experience to help
you properly set up a real model heli (actual hands on) will take you
much MUCH further.

> I have spent over 6 grand on
> this hobby with no regrets accept the few times I bought a astard
> brand name to save money and it turned out to be crap.

Yeah, that does happen more than it needs to.  If I had started with a
Blade CP, then I wouldn't have a 30 size heli today..  Lucky for me, I
got my 30 size heli first.  :)  I did get a blade cp, and after $450 I
took a hammer to it.  It was a total loss, and I have no regrets.

marco
golddust - 09 Dec 2007 12:06 GMT
Best helicopter to learn on??...............Simulator.   Something like
Phoenix would be ideal.  Dirt cheap when you crash as well :-)

Bob

> Don't make the financial mistake of "Priceing" match, some expensive
> ones are crap for a beginer and some cheap ones are nothing but trash,
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> this hobby with no regrets accept the few times I bought a astard
> brand name to save money and it turned out to be crap.
Too_Many_Tools - 12 Dec 2007 02:37 GMT
> Don't make the financial mistake of "Priceing" match, some expensive
> ones are crap for a beginer and some cheap ones are nothing but trash,
[quoted text clipped - 45 lines]
> this hobby with no regrets accept the few times I bought a astard
> brand name to save money and it turned out to be crap.

So WHICH simulator?

Be specific...including where to buy it.

thanks

TMT
golddust - 12 Dec 2007 17:13 GMT
Try 'Phoenix'. A very good simulator.  This is available from the majority
of online model shops.  This sim also does a vast array of helis and fixed
wing models.  When you purchase you will be asked which transmitter you
have.  This is to make sure the correct cable/dongle is supplied.   If you
have not got a tx, then deals are available that will include a nice
suitable transmitter that you can also use for a model.  If in doubt phone
the model shop.

Bob

>> Don't make the financial mistake of "Priceing" match, some expensive
>> ones are crap for a beginer and some cheap ones are nothing but trash,
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>
> TMT
Too_Many_Tools - 12 Dec 2007 23:10 GMT
> Try 'Phoenix'. A very good simulator.  This is available from the majority
> of online model shops.  This sim also does a vast array of helis and fixed
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Thanks for the info.

I have no setup yet...any that you would suggest?

I have had recommendations for the Eflite series.

TMT
The OTHER Kevin in San Diego - 13 Dec 2007 00:40 GMT
>So WHICH simulator?
>
>Be specific...including where to buy it.
>
>thanks

All of these are available at the various online RC retailers and
possibly your local shop.

Thse are all OPINIONS based on my experience with the products.

Phoenix - Probably the best as far as physics goes.  Graphics are good
as well.  Gotta use your own radio with it so you'll be increasing the
wear on the gimbals and pots as you practice.  Updates/aircraft via
the net.  Multiplayer capable

RealFlight G3/3.5/4 - Probably the most popular sim out there.  Comes
with a controller that can also be used as an interface so you can
hook up your own radio.  Decent physics, good graphics, updates and
aircraft also available via the 'net.  Multiplayer capable.

FS One - Never could get it working properly on 2 machines at home so
I gave up.

AeroFly Deluxe - only played with it at the local shop.  Pretty good,
but I hear you have to pay for updates.  Must use your own Tx as well.

I use RealFlight G3.5 myself.
no1.nino@gmail.com - 07 Jan 2008 12:18 GMT
www.CheapRcToys.info has reviews for heli and other Rc.You could find
usefull info there .
The OTHER Kevin in San Diego - 07 Jan 2008 16:23 GMT
>www.CheapRcToys.info has reviews for heli and other Rc.You could find
>usefull info there .

None of your cheap pieces of s***are worth learning on, you spamming
phallus.
 
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