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Futaba FASST update

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Steve R - 01 Feb 2008 21:01 GMT
I just looked at Futaba's web site here in the States and noted that they've
updated their information on the effected 2.4 systems, namely the 6EX and 7C
radios as well as the TM-7 module.  They show potentially effected serial
numbers as well as those that should be clean, and they have a list of hobby
shops up that are capable of testing for effected units on site without
having to send them off to Futaba and being without a radio for however long
that will take.  I'll be taking the two 6EX's I've got access to in on
Monday for testing.  It'll be interesting to see how it turns out and I'll
let you know what they find.

Have you effected folks in other parts of the world gotten this far?  I've
not seen much more from the previous thread since whoever it was hijacked it
to spread their religious beliefs.  Just wondering!  :-)

Best of luck to everyone on this!
Steve R.
The OTHER Kevin in San Diego - 04 Feb 2008 17:04 GMT
>I just looked at Futaba's web site here in the States and noted that they've
>updated their information on the effected 2.4 systems, namely the 6EX and 7C
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>Best of luck to everyone on this!
>Steve R.

I got to fly a 14MZ with a FASST module in it this past Friday.  Nice
rig, but nice enough to drop over $1500 on it?  I dunno.  Didn't seem
to do anything my X9303 couldn't.  :)
Steve R - 05 Feb 2008 01:38 GMT
>>I just looked at Futaba's web site here in the States and noted that
>>they've
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> rig, but nice enough to drop over $1500 on it?  I dunno.  Didn't seem
> to do anything my X9303 couldn't.  :)

I've got the 12Z and recently put a TM-14 FASST module in it.  I love this
radio and wouldn't trade it for anything.  The 12Z is basically a 14MZ
without all the bells and whistles, stuff like a color touch screen, the
ability to play MP3 files through a head set, display a picture of your
model on the screen, etc.  The important part, the flight programming, is
totally compatible as far as I've been able to tell with the exception that
the 14MZ will allow model names up to 32 characters and the 12Z limits you
to eight.

As for comparing the 14MZ, or the 12Z for that matter, to a radio like the
X9303, there is no comparison "IF" you need and use the features offered.
If course, if you don't, it makes little difference.  All of the radio
systems mentioned here are fine radios that will work well for everyone from
beginner to hard core 3D flying.  As for paying $1,500 for a 14MZ?  If you
can find one for that price, jump on it.  By flying buddy has the 14 and I'm
not totally sure but I think he paid around $1,500 for his but he's also a
field rep for Futaba and got a break on the price.  For us average Joe's
like me, the best price I've ever found to date was more like $2,100, most
are $2,200.  I paid $1,300 for my synthesized 9Z back in 1995 and swallowed
hard to do that.  I'd pay $1,500 for the 14MZ in a heart beat today but over
$2000 is just too much.  I paid $1,300 for my 12Z and was quite happy with
that especially since I found out the main differences between the 14 and
the 12 is primarily glitz.

Back to the original topic of this post, I was just wondering how things
were going for the rest of the world in weeding out the effected 6EX, 7C,
and TM-7 modules.  I took our two 6EX's into the local shop here in Houston
that was setup to check for effected radios and am happy to report that
we're clean.  :-D  It's a dirt simply test.  All Futaba did was send them a
7ch FASST receiver that's programmed to the "00000000 etc." code.  You power
up the receiver, turn on your radio, and if you get a solid green light,
you're toast and need to send your transmitter back to Futaba.  If you get a
flashing green light, like I did, you're safe and can go fly with no
worries.  Needless to say, I'm happy!  Total time to test two radios?  About
20 seconds!  It's well worth the peace of mind.

Fly Safe,
Steve R.
The OTHER Kevin in San Diego - 05 Feb 2008 19:49 GMT
>As for comparing the 14MZ, or the 12Z for that matter, to a radio like the
>X9303, there is no comparison "IF" you need and use the features offered.
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>that especially since I found out the main differences between the 14 and
>the 12 is primarily glitz.

I have a buddy who has 2 14MZs and I've told him when he's ready to
sell one of 'em, I want 1st crack at it.  :)

>Back to the original topic of this post, I was just wondering how things
>were going for the rest of the world in weeding out the effected 6EX, 7C,
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>worries.  Needless to say, I'm happy!  Total time to test two radios?  About
>20 seconds!  It's well worth the peace of mind.

Glad Futaba is jumping all over this..
Steve R - 05 Feb 2008 23:49 GMT
>>Back to the original topic of this post, I was just wondering how things
>>were going for the rest of the world in weeding out the effected 6EX, 7C,
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>
> Glad Futaba is jumping all over this..

Me too!  I'm very impressed with how Futaba is handling all of this.  Too
often is seems like all we get as comsumers is a bunch of excuses and/or
attempts to blame "us" for "their" screw ups.  Futaba is admitting their
mistake and taking what certainly looks to me to be a healthy proactive
response to correct the problem.  It definitely justifies my loyalty toward
them!

Fly Safe,
Steve R.
terry - 07 Jun 2008 16:10 GMT
> I just looked at Futaba's web site here in the States and noted that they've
> updated their information on the effected 2.4 systems, namely the 6EX and 7C
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> Best of luck to everyone on this!
> Steve R.

I have a futaba 6ex fasst and havent heard anything about faults mines
fine Im in australia

just thort Id let u knoow

:-]
Steve R. - 08 Jun 2008 04:48 GMT
>> I just looked at Futaba's web site here in the States and noted that
>> they've
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>
> :-]

Thanks Terry!  We've got a couple of 6EX's that were tested and passed with
flying colors.  My personal radio is a Futaba 12Z which I've converted to
2.4 and it's been great but the TM14 modules that I plugged into it weren't
included in the list of effected systems.  I haven't heard much on this
subject for some time so I'd guess that Futaba's got most of it taken care
of by now.

Fly Safe Down Under!  :-)
Steve R..
Doug McLaren - 12 Jun 2008 20:33 GMT
| I have a futaba 6ex fasst and havent heard anything about faults mines
| fine Im in australia

That doesn't prove it's fine.

The problem is that under some conditions, the unique ID of the TX can
be set to 0, making it no longer unique.  If you bind your TX to it,
it'll work fine, BUT if anybody else also has the same problem and
also has unique ID 0, they'll interfere.

The problem is also that `some conditions' basically means turning it
on, and then turning it off after the right (short) amount of time.
So a TX that's good today might be bad tomorrow.  The problem seems to
be that as part of the initialization, the configuration is
re-written, and if it loses power in the middle of this, things can be
reset.  This seemed to happen at the factory during testing mostly,
but it could happen during normal usage too.

I don't know what they did to fix this.  (It's easy enough to reset
the unique ID, but I don't know what they did to prevent it from
happening again.)  In any event, if your RX works fine one day, but
then stops working the next day until you rebind it, then that would
be the sort of thing I'd expect to happen when this problem manifests.

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Steve R. - 13 Jun 2008 02:26 GMT
> | I have a futaba 6ex fasst and havent heard anything about faults mines
> | fine Im in australia
>
> That doesn't prove it's fine.

True, the radio needs to be tested at a hobby shop or authorized repair
center.  The hobby center that tested ours was simply sent a receiver that
was bound to the default ID codes.  If it would respond to our transmitter,
then our transmitter was bad.  If not, it's OK!  Fortunatly, neither one of
ours was effected and both have been working without incident for almost a
year now.

> The problem is that under some conditions, the unique ID of the TX can
> be set to 0, making it no longer unique.  If you bind your TX to it,
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> then stops working the next day until you rebind it, then that would
> be the sort of thing I'd expect to happen when this problem manifests.

I've always had a problem with those who say they can "quickly and
deliberately" cycle the power switch on and off multiple times and cause the
transmitter ID codes to reset.  Futaba's operations manuals "specifically"
warns "against" doing that.  If you operate the transmitter according to the
directions, you won't have any problems.  The time frame that Futaba
recommends waiting before cycling the on/off switch in the opposite
direction is no more than a couple of seconds at most.  This shouldn't be a
problem for anyone.  Futaba's service bulletin, on their web site, also
states that the receiver should not loose bind with the transmitter under
normal usage.  If this happens, don't rebind and fly the system.  Send it in
immediately to be repaired as it is NOT normal behavior.

Whether or not Futaba has made any changes in the systems to prevent an
operator from inducing this issue deliberately, I don't know.  I do
personally believe that their response, overall, has been first class.  I
know there are people out there that don't agree with that but as they say,
you can't please everyone, all the time!  :-)

FWIW & Fly Safe,
Steve R.
 
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