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Model Forum / Radio Controlled / Helicopters / May 2008Help me , Please!
I just purchased a 735 AirSquire mini-helicopter. Right out of the box and for the first ten minutes or so of flight, it worked fine. Shortly thereafter, the helicopter started to spin out-of-control to the right and would no longer fly. The more throttle I gave, the faster the entire helicopter would spin out of control. I tried adjusting the trim setting, but that had little effect. I did not crash the helicopter or otherwise damage it; at least that I am aware of. Could someone please tell me what's wrong and how to fix the problem. I really like this helicopter and would like to keep it. It's my first R/ C helicopter. Thanks! Mark >I just purchased a 735 AirSquire mini-helicopter. Right out of the box > and for the first ten minutes or so of flight, it worked fine. Shortly [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > > Mark Try charging the battery? > I just purchased a 735 AirSquire mini-helicopter. Right out of the box > and for the first ten minutes or so of flight, it worked fine. Shortly [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > > Mark is this one of the piccoz clones? if so it could be tail motor or damage to the main blades definitely the battery. Mine needs to be recharged after 7 minutes....  Signaturegreez yellow2 sysadmin ________________________________________ mailto:%79%65%6c%6c%6f%77%32%40%67%6d%78%2e%6e%65%74 > definitely the battery. Mine needs to be recharged after 7 minutes.... > > -- Not the battery. I charged it several times as instructed. Waited for the charging light to go off too. I charged it several times trying to resolve the problem. The rotors, top and bottom, appear undamaged. I can see nothing wrong with the helicopter. Any other ideas? Mark On Feb 23, 4:44 pm, stephan <banana.j...@bluewin.ch> wrote: > definitely the battery. Mine needs to be recharged after 7 minutes.... > > -- Not the battery. I charged it several times as instructed. Waited for the charging light to go off too. I charged it several times trying to resolve the problem. The rotors, top and bottom, appear undamaged. I can see nothing wrong with the helicopter. Any other ideas? Mark Could be one of the motors is bad. They act like a gyroscope and if one is under or overpowered it could cause the spinning. Check and see if you have a problem with a stiffeness in the axels. I solved the spinning problem! Here is what I found. The top rotor was turning to slow. It is manufacturer's design flaw that becomes apparent after the first or second crash. After one or two crashes, the axle which turns the top rotor comes loose. There's no apparent break to the naked eye, but its there none-the-less. What's happening is this: The gear is turning the axle at let's say 1000 RPMs. The axle is loose where it connects to the top rotor. There is just enough friction at the connection point of the axle and rotor to turn the rotor and make the rotor appear to be functioning properly. In reality, the rotor is spinning at say 100 RPMs, much slower than the axle is. So, there is not enough force being exerted by the blades to raise the helicopter off the ground. In addition, the upper rotor is sinning much slower than the lower rotor which throws the pitch off and causes the helicopter to spin out of control. The fix? A little hot glue to secure the axle to the rotor so that the axle and rotor now spin at the same RPMs. Everything works like new! I want to say, that despite this design flaw (this problem will occur in every helicopter that eventually crashes. It is inevitable), this is a great little helicopter. It is built solid-as-a-rock. You can slam it and drop it and it keeps going and going like the Energizer Bunny. My only problem now in that the rotors are starting to crack from me slaming the helicopter into the wall. I highly recommend this helicopter, just be prepared to make the necessary fix. Thank you all for your help. Your suggestions got me thinking and helped me to eventually find and solve the problem. Happy flying! Mark personable85 <personable85@hotmail.com> wrote in news:d743c939-7c6b-46a6- adab-ae5c279b2977@v3g2000hsc.googlegroups.com: > I solved the spinning problem! Here is what I found. > > The top rotor was turning to slow. It is manufacturer's design flaw > that becomes apparent after the first or second crash. After one or > two crashes, the axle which turns the top rotor comes loose. Errr...ummm....wouldn't that be a user crashing the helicopter flaw and not a manufacturer design flaw? BTW, greetings everyone. Been lurking for a while now. Started with a little coaxial LamaV4 but am currently flying a Blade CP Pro. Seems the trick to flying is successfully missing the ground. :) Brian Signaturehttp://www.skywise711.com - Lasers, Seismology, Astronomy, Skepticism Seismic FAQ: http://www.skywise711.com/SeismicFAQ/SeismicFAQ.html Quake "predictions": http://www.skywise711.com/quakes/EQDB/index.html Sed quis custodiet ipsos Custodes? > Errr...ummm....wouldn't that be a user crashing the helicopter > flaw and not a manufacturer design flaw? After one or two light crashes? NO! It is impossible NOT to crash this helicopter. A little 90 degree bend in the axle where the axle attaches to the rotor would have solved this problem and saved a lot of people like myself a lot of heartach. Other manufacturers got it right, why not this one? >> Errr...ummm....wouldn't that be a user crashing the helicopter >> flaw and not a manufacturer design flaw? > > After one or two light crashes? NO! No? Of course it is you numb c.nt. > It is impossible NOT to crash this helicopter. Oddly enough, it isn't, but yiou'll never know that for sure. > A little 90 degree bend > in the axle where the axle attaches to the rotor would have solved > this problem and saved a lot of people like myself a lot of heartach. Go and buy a prper fuckinghelicopter and stop your whinging. then come back and tell us how you're a 3d flyer after 5 more mminutes of air time . (Sorry, TOY time) > Other manufacturers got it right, why not this one? Coz they saw you coming. SignatureBeav VN 750 Zed 1000 OMF# 19 hi Mark, I've got a helicopter like yours and it seems I am experiencing the same problem as you did. I have the trim turned all anti-clockwise, and all I get is the helicopter not turning left and I have to hold the left stick all the way there to keep the helicopter from spinning to the right. At least I'm fortunate to not loose control of it, and must say that it flies very well when it works. First flight managed to take it off the ground, keep it still for around 30 seconds and land it on the kitchen table without a crash. When I held lightly the bottom gear and check if the top rotor was rotating loosely, this does not seem to be the case with mine. How can I confirm if it's actually the same problem as yours? Also, I'm not too technical about helicopters and their parts, so not sure where the glue should go exactly to fix it. Hope you can help me out? tks, Kevin Carbonaro kevin.carbonaro@gmail.com > I solved the spinning problem! Here is what I found. > [quoted text clipped - 29 lines] > > Mark > I just purchased a 735 AirSquire mini-helicopter. Right out of the box > and for the first ten minutes or so of flight, it worked fine. Shortly [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > > Mark Further along in the thread, after you discovered/posted the fix for this problem, you recommend this helicopter. However, I have not been able to find this copter. It is obviously a counter-rotating, dual rotor job but, beyond that, nothing is obvious. Where did you get it? Cost? Description? SignaturePosted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com > Further along in the thread, after you discovered/posted the fix for > this problem, you recommend this helicopter. However, I have not been [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > -- It's called the 735 Set (Airsquire) and made by a company called Shuang He (they have a website, but I haven't had a chance to visit it yet). I purchased the helicopter at a flee market for $35.00. I simply fell in love with it the moment I saw it flying and had to have one. I searched the Internet for a picture of the helicopter for you, but found nothing. The picture from the site below comes the closest. But, there are major differences. My helicopter has two sets of rotors with a stabilizer between them, not one rotor as shown in the picture. In addition, my helicopter's tail rotor is mounted HORIZONTALLY not vertically as shown in the link. My helicopter is red, not blue. Besides those differences, the copters look almost identical. http://www.amazon.com/Super-Channel-Control-Helicopter-yellow/dp/B000SEOMUC/ref= pd_bbs_sr_2?ie=UTF8&s=toys-and-games&qid=1203977054&sr=8-2 Because of the similarities between the helicopters, I believe that there is probably just one manufacturer but several distributors of this helicopter. I'll bet they all have the same design flaw. Thanks! Mark Also, I was told that my helicopter is a four channel and not two like the one in the photo. Unfortunately, nothing on the box verifies this information. > Also, I was told that my helicopter is a four channel and not two like > the one in the photo. Unfortunately, nothing on the box verifies this > information. The number of sticks on the transmitter and the number of axis they move in should give you a pretty good idea. SignatureBeav VN 750 Zed 1000 OMF# 19 http://www.shuanghetoys.com/english/product.asp They have several indoor flyers...some with interesting designs. However, most of these I would call "throw aways". If it costs $35 here in the states, then it only cost $10 or less to make in China. I don't know how good of quality or design you'd expect for that price. I would just say it is what it is and have fun with it. Fix with hot glue and scotch tape until it won't fly anymore, then take a final flight and see if you can land it in a garbage can or see what the range is by heading out over open sea. The one thing I will say though, is that a lot of times, the cheap little heli's like these take a pretty good beating as opposed to the more "expensive" indoor heli's. Good Luck and have fun... IYM > Further along in the thread, after you discovered/posted the fix for > this problem, you recommend this helicopter. However, I have not been [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > -- It's called the 735 Set (Airsquire) and made by a company called Shuang He (they have a website, but I haven't had a chance to visit it yet). I purchased the helicopter at a flee market for $35.00. I simply fell in love with it the moment I saw it flying and had to have one. I searched the Internet for a picture of the helicopter for you, but found nothing. The picture from the site below comes the closest. But, there are major differences. My helicopter has two sets of rotors with a stabilizer between them, not one rotor as shown in the picture. In addition, my helicopter's tail rotor is mounted HORIZONTALLY not vertically as shown in the link. My helicopter is red, not blue. Besides those differences, the copters look almost identical. http://www.amazon.com/Super-Channel-Control-Helicopter-yellow/dp/B000SEOMUC/ref= pd_bbs_sr_2?ie=UTF8&s=toys-and-games&qid=1203977054&sr=8-2 Because of the similarities between the helicopters, I believe that there is probably just one manufacturer but several distributors of this helicopter. I'll bet they all have the same design flaw. Thanks! Mark > http://www.shuanghetoys.com/english/product.asp > [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > like these take a pretty good beating as opposed to the more "expensive" > indoor heli's. It's a great little starter aircraft. Great for the price. I can ask no more... Mark On Feb 26, 7:50 am, <IYM> wrote: > http://www.shuanghetoys.com/english/product.asp > [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > like these take a pretty good beating as opposed to the more "expensive" > indoor heli's. It's a great little starter aircraft. Great for the price. I can ask no more... Except you don't want it to break? SignatureBeav VN 750 Zed 1000 OMF# 19 | But, there are major differences. Indeed. The link you gave is a Picco-Z clone. In any event, I think this is your helicopter -- http://www.shuanghetoys.com/english/productShow.asp?id=5303 The `Double Layer Helicopter' at http://www.shuanghetoys.com/english/product.asp?productSort=404 Actually, there's a few `Double Layer Helicopters' on that page, you could have any of them. In any event, I doubt it's four channel. Perhaps four `function' -- up, down, left, right, crash. (Crash is a bonus function that comes with most helicopters but is rarely documented!) SignatureDoug McLaren, dougmc@frenzied.us Re graphics: A picture is worth 10K words -- but only those to describe the picture. Hardly any sets of 10K words can be adequately described with pictures. Hmm..He specifically mentioned a horizontal rotor and being red....The only one on their site like that was this one, but it doesn't match his part number: http://www.shuanghetoys.com/english/productShow.asp?id=5300 Anyway - at this point: whatever.... But just for my curiosity, what would be the point in having a horizontal tail rotor like the above? In this config. does it control forward & backward movement as well as yaw by changing speeds to the rotor? The "double layer" (as the Chinese are calling it, but more correctly known as coaxial) blades eliminate the need for a normal tail rotor...I wonder...If a single motor is being used with no ability to provide different speeds to the upper and lower blades and no swash plate (essentially creating a heli that would just hover), then this heli can only go forward/backward and yaw/"steer" right & left with this horizontal rotor. It would have no left/right pitch control. Am I guessing correct or am I on the wrong page? IYM... > In article > <423cf0c1-aaef-4b7a-9c60-c9c4a81cb0f9@n58g2000hsf.googlegroups.com>, [quoted text clipped - 17 lines] > up, down, left, right, crash. (Crash is a bonus function that comes > with most helicopters but is rarely documented!) > Hmm..He specifically mentioned a horizontal rotor and being red....The only > one on their site like that was this one, but it doesn't match his part [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > yaw/"steer" right & left with this horizontal rotor. It would have no > left/right pitch control. Am I guessing correct or am I on the wrong page? you hit the nail on the head, the tail motor gives it some forward and back control so even if they do call it four function its not > IYM... > [quoted text clipped - 19 lines] >> up, down, left, right, crash. (Crash is a bonus function that comes >> with most helicopters but is rarely documented!) My helicopter is no.: 735.61B. The Shuang He website takes too long for me to download using my dial-up internet service. Otherwise, I'd paste the exact site address here for you. I'll checkout the site when I have more time. Anyway, you're on the right track. The horizontal tail rotor allows the helicopter to go either forward or backward. The rear rotor acts to push the tail up or down thus allowing the main rotors to push the helicopter in that direction. It's a very interesting concept. Just search their site and it's not listed....Perhaps it was discontinued. Oh well...Like I said, it's a throw away - which is not to say they're bad. In fact, sometimes it's fun to have one of these as when you crash them, you can laugh about it, as opposed to cursing when you crash your Blade or more expensive heli's. :) What's a "dial-up internet service"? Is that like "vinyl record", "phonograph" and "DOS"? LOL :) IYM > My helicopter is no.: 735.61B. The Shuang He website takes too long > for me to download using my dial-up internet service. Otherwise, I'd [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > allowing the main rotors to push the helicopter in that direction. > It's a very interesting concept. > My helicopter is no.: 735.61B. The Shuang He website takes too long > for me to download using my dial-up internet service. Otherwise, I'd [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > allowing the main rotors to push the helicopter in that direction. > It's a very interesting concept. Yeah, you'd want to let Igor Sikorsky know about that. SignatureBeav VN 750 Zed 1000 OMF# 19 >> My helicopter is no.: 735.61B. The Shuang He website takes too long >> for me to download using my dial-up internet service. Otherwise, I'd [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > >Yeah, you'd want to let Igor Sikorsky know about that. He's dead you idiot! >My helicopter has two sets of rotors with >a stabilizer between them, not one rotor as shown in the picture. In >addition, my helicopter's tail rotor is mounted HORIZONTALLY not >vertically as shown in the link. Something like this?: http://www.komplett.no/img/p/400/342487.jpg SignatureRoRo this is what he has,, i have the same thing.. and it flies pretty good.. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ny15_LC0vfM >>My helicopter has two sets of rotors with >>a stabilizer between them, not one rotor as shown in the picture. In [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > >http://www.komplett.no/img/p/400/342487.jpg Hi does anyone know where i can get spare blades to suit this littl hel -- Claytopi > Hi does anyone know where i can get spare blades to suit this little > heli Which little helicopter would that be then? SignatureBeav VN 750 Zed 1000 OMF# 19 >> Hi does anyone know where i can get spare blades to suit this little >> heli > > Which little helicopter would that be then? you have to go back to the first post in the thread to find out SignatureKevin R Reply address works > Hi does anyone know where i can get spare blades to suit this little > heli[/color] Which little helicopter would that be then? For the air squire 735-set also called the 735-61a (or b depending o the canopy -- Claytopi >> Hi does anyone know where i can get spare blades to suit this little >> heli[/color] [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > For the air squire 735-set also called the 735-61a (or b depending on > the canopy) Bugger, it's electric so I can't help you :-) SignatureBeav VN 750 Zed 1000 OMF# 19 >>> Hi does anyone know where i can get spare blades to suit this little >>> heli[/color] [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > >Bugger, it's electric so I can't help you :-) The only thing electric about you is the vibrator shoved up your backside. People wan't constructive help. Not your uninformed bullshit!! >>>> Hi does anyone know where i can get spare blades to suit this little >>>> heli[/color] [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] >> > The only thing electric about you is the vibrator shoved up your backside. Numb f.cker, it's clockwork. > People wan't constructive help. Not your uninformed bullshit!! Aww, isn't it a shame for you getting all upset. Don't worry, mummy will give you a cuddle, I'm sure. SignatureBeav VN 750 Zed 1000 OMF# 19 >>>>> Hi does anyone know where i can get spare blades to suit this little >>>>> heli[/color] [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] >give you a cuddle, I'm sure. >My Mummy is dead you w.nker, I'm 58 years old and would like some help from you really "smart young, know it all things ,so called superior mindsets". Trouble is you can't handle yourselves, let alone give some decent advice to those that ask for your help. I often wonder if you're worth pissing on if you were on fire!!! You for one, hasn't left the teat yet! >>>>>> Hi does anyone know where i can get spare blades to suit this little >>>>>> heli[/color] [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] >>give you a cuddle, I'm sure. >>My Mummy is dead you w.nker, I beg your pardon! > I'm 58 years old So you're a youngster then. When you get to my age, you'll learn to find things out before opening your mouth and letting your ignorance fall out. > and would like some help from you really "smart young, know it all things > ,so called superior mindsets". Oh, I want you to have my babies. It's been a LONG long time since anyone called ME young. > Trouble is you can't handle yourselves, let alone give some decent advice > to those that ask for your help. So what was it you wanted that you didn't get? > I often wonder if you're worth pissing on if you were on fire!!! To save you from worrying yourself into a (I WAS going to say "early" grave, but I fear 'tis too late for that, so) grave, I'll attempt to avoid bursting into flames in the first place. >You for one, hasn't left the teat yet! Yummy and long may it remain so. SignatureBeav VN 750 Zed 1000 OMF# 19 >> Hi does anyone know where i can get spare blades to suit this little >> heli > >Which little helicopter would that be then? That little toy between your legs that you keep playing with. Set it free. >>> Hi does anyone know where i can get spare blades to suit this little >>> heli [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > That little toy between your legs that you keep playing with. Set it > free. I've been waiting for you to come and suck it free, so hurry the f.ck up. SignatureBeav VN 750 Zed 1000 OMF# 19 >>>> Hi does anyone know where i can get spare blades to suit this little >>>> heli [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] >I've been waiting for you to come and suck it free, so hurry the f.ck up. >Your first will be your next. Idiot. You obviously play with toys, not the real thing. I somehow doubt that you and your silly idiot mates will grow out of this pisshead attitude that you have towards people that are kindly asking for some of your superior knowledge. Is it at all possible that a quite an honest question could be answered by someone other than a dickhead with a small penis.? >>>>> Hi does anyone know where i can get spare blades to suit this little >>>>> heli [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] >> >>I've been waiting for you to come and suck it free, so hurry the f.ck up. >>Your first will be your next. That's profound. I do wonder what it means though. > Idiot. Speaking of which. >You obviously play with toys, not the real thing. I somehow doubt that >you and your silly idiot mates will grow out of this pisshead attitude that >you have towards people that are kindly asking for some of your superior >knowledge. Is it at all possible that a quite an honest question could be >answered by someone other than a dickhead with a small penis.? I don't know, perhaps your massive penis could enlighten us all though. What d'you think? SignatureBeav VN 750 Zed 1000 OMF# 19 Coments like this might amuse an immature 5 year old... I said might I on the other hand think you a tool with a genital fixation and wouldnt be surprised to find you scabbing used cigarette butts ou of the gutter if you could only reach that high (Oh and if you like i will explain that last bit cause I am sure it over your head) Michaelthegreat Wrote: > That little toy between your legs that you keep playing with. Set i > free -- Claytopi >Coments like this might amuse an immature 5 year old... I said might > [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] >-- >Claytopi At least I've got one. Not wishing I had one. >>Coments like this might amuse an immature 5 year old... I said might >> >[quoted text clipped - 13 lines] >>-- >>Claytopi >At least I've got one. Not wishing I had one, say's Michaelthegreat >>>Coments like this might amuse an immature 5 year old... I said might >>> >>[quoted text clipped - 13 lines] >>>-- >>>Claytopi >>At least I've got one. Not wishing I had one, say's Michaelthegreat Is there a chance that we can get back to the real issue of helping others without the bullshit? Bury the hatchet. Nope you have insulted our oracle now pay the price :-) Rob >>>>Coments like this might amuse an immature 5 year old... I said might >>>> [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > Is there a chance that we can get back to the real issue of helping others > without the bullshit? Bury the hatchet. >Nope you have insulted our oracle now pay the price :-) > [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] >> Is there a chance that we can get back to the real issue of helping others >> without the bullshit? Bury the hatchet. If you wish to bow and scrape to your so called Oracle so be it, you bunch of cocksucking w.nkers, ( I'd rather chew a fanny), I'm out of here. Might try the Navy and try some submarine (blowing bubbles) type hobbies rather than your "Up in the Air" High & Mighty type bullshit. Wish you all the best. You f.cking well need it. Don't bother to reply......... I'm not here. >>Nope you have insulted our oracle now pay the price :-) >> [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] >>> others >>> without the bullshit? Bury the hatchet. > If you wish to bow and scrape to your so called Oracle so be it, you bunch > of > cocksucking w.nkers, Hahaha, that is supremely funny Mikey. > ( I'd rather chew a fanny), Obviously an American. We Brits tend to chew fanny quite a lot. What you in Leftpondia call "eating out". You need to globalise and get current with the English language and its usage.. And you need to "get" this group too. there's a LOT of piss taking goes on here and it's not to be taken seriously. > I'm out of here. > Might try the Navy and try some submarine (blowing bubbles) type hobbies [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > not > here. Aww, that's a shame. Your presence will be sadly missed. SignatureBeav VN 750 Zed 1000 OMF# 19 | Is there a chance that we can get back to the real issue of helping others | without the bullshit? Bury the hatchet. Alas, in general you don't get to wield the hatchet yourself and then tell people to bury it -- it's one or the other. SignatureDoug McLaren, dougmc@frenzied.us "An idiot with a computer is a faster, better idiot" - Rich Julius >>Coments like this might amuse an immature 5 year old... I said might >> [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] >>Claytopi > At least I've got one. Not wishing I had one. Well if you're a good boy, maybe someone will give you another. You never know your luck these days. SignatureBeav VN 750 Zed 1000 OMF# 19 hey Michelle the Great TOOL just a few things 1) Reap what you sow 2) People who live in glass houses shouldnt throw stones and my personal favourite and most appropriate here is 3) Aww Princess dry your eyes. now please go awa -- Claytopi |
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