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Robert Roland - 16 Jul 2008 18:28 GMT
I am trying to get an OS 91SZ-Hring to run properly. I thought I'd
check the manual to see if I am doing something obviously wrong.

Page 21 in the "Starting" chapter says: "Medium speed needle-valve:
exactly two turn open from the fully closed position."

Page 25 in the "Adjustment procedure" chapter, as the very last
paragraph, says: "It is at this time that the Medium Speed Nedle
Valve, previously kept one turn open, may be brought into operation.".

So, what is the correct initial setting for the middle needle? One or
two turns?
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R A - 17 Jul 2008 08:42 GMT
Sorry cant help but I work on my own a lot and I find a lot of instruction
contradict them self's, not helpful at all when your trying to get your head
round things, As for the jet I would start at two turns and adjust back as
the engine gets run in.

Rob

>I am trying to get an OS 91SZ-Hring to run properly. I thought I'd
> check the manual to see if I am doing something obviously wrong.
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> So, what is the correct initial setting for the middle needle? One or
> two turns?
Anyolmouse - 17 Jul 2008 14:19 GMT
| I am trying to get an OS 91SZ-Hring to run properly. I thought I'd
| check the manual to see if I am doing something obviously wrong.
[quoted text clipped - 8 lines]
| So, what is the correct initial setting for the middle needle? One or
| two turns?

One of them is a typo. Try it with an initial one turn. Set the high
speed and low speed to your satisfaction and then set the medium speed
for smooth transition from idle to high speed. If that doesn't work try
an initial two turns and repeat the process.

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R A - 17 Jul 2008 17:01 GMT
> | So, what is the correct initial setting for the middle needle? One or
> | two turns?
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> for smooth transition from idle to high speed. If that doesn't work try
> an initial two turns and repeat the process.

I was always lead to believe two turns out will always start the engine and
back it of if it start to over fuel i.e. smokes a lot and starts to bog down
under load. there is no a exact setting every engine/ carb is slightly
different, plus the weather conditions ambient temp etc all contribute to
how much fuel is needed.

Rob
Robert Roland - 19 Jul 2008 11:03 GMT
On Wed, 16 Jul 2008 19:28:18 +0200, I wrote:

>One or
>two turns?

Thanks for your comments, guys.

The needle was set to just under one turn. I had problems with missing
and even a full stop during hover. I tried one and a half turn. The
result was an extremely rich engine. You could almost see raw fuel
spraying out the exhaust. I turned it in from there until it ran
smoothly, but with a lot of smoke. It ended up back at just under one
turn, possibly a few clicks richer than before.

I have now changed the plug. I'm hoping that solves the reliability
issue.
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John Ferrell - 19 Jul 2008 17:55 GMT
>On Wed, 16 Jul 2008 19:28:18 +0200, I wrote:
>
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>I have now changed the plug. I'm hoping that solves the reliability
>issue.
Needle setting is sensitive to exhaust pressure (if used) and the
height of the tank in relation to the carburetor.

If your tank height is where it belongs and you are still rich the
muffler may be clogged. Most needle assemblies work best at about
1-1/2 turns open. All OS engines I have experienced will run rich at 2
turns open but will be right closer to the 1-1/2 turn settings.

All Pitts mufflers I have tried have poor exhaust pressure.

Note that I am a Heli wannabe but a fair amount of fixed wing
experience!

John Ferrell W8CCW
Steve R. - 20 Jul 2008 03:12 GMT
> On Wed, 16 Jul 2008 19:28:18 +0200, I wrote:
>
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> I have now changed the plug. I'm hoping that solves the reliability
> issue.

Sounds like you're on the right track.  With a new glo plug and once you get
the mixtures where the engine is happy, you should be Ok for a while.  One
thing I've run into many times over the years is that I'll have a good
running heli for weeks or months at a time and then it'll start going a
little sour.  What did I do?  I started futzing with the mixture of course.
After fighting that for a while it finally occurs to me to try changing the
glo plug.  Once that's done, then I spend the next two tanks of fuel putting
the mixture back where it was to begin with because the problem was really
the glo plug.

I'm not saying that was your issue all this time.  My point is, once you get
it happy, and it sounds like you're really close, if you have to change the
mixture more than a couple of clicks one way or the other because of a
weather change or something then it's probably the glo plug.  Even if the
plug is relatively new, when it doubt, change that sucker.  I've gotten bad
ones right out of the box so you never know.

Good luck with it RoRo, and fly Safe!
Steve R.
 
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