> Hi
> I have aquired an os 32sxh which I have put into a raptor30.
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> The muffler also has a bit of play in the end and I presume I might be
> getting a little air in there, Could this be causing problems as well?
you can run it at full throttle and it does not fly off at great
speed???? something is wrong if you can throttle it right up in the hover

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jamesgarrod - 09 Oct 2008 10:01 GMT
>> Hi
>> I have aquired an os 32sxh which I have put into a raptor30.
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>you can run it at full throttle and it does not fly off at great
>speed???? something is wrong if you can throttle it right up in the hover
Sorry, figure of speech.....I can lift off the ground, I can throttle up
further but as I climb too high I obviously reduce throttle. If I reduce
throttle too much, ie past the centre position - I then cant throttle back up
again and the engine just dies away.
jamesgarrod - 09 Oct 2008 10:03 GMT
>> Hi
>> I have aquired an os 32sxh which I have put into a raptor30.
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>you can run it at full throttle and it does not fly off at great
>speed???? something is wrong if you can throttle it right up in the hover
It mostly seems to be a throttle response thing....could this be fuel issue?
I am only using a 5% mix as this is what was given to me. Should I be using a
higher mix?
Kevin - 09 Oct 2008 18:15 GMT
>>> Hi
>>> I have aquired an os 32sxh which I have put into a raptor30.
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> I am only using a 5% mix as this is what was given to me. Should I be using a
> higher mix?
you could try head loaders in place of the main blades as you sound like
a beginner to IC engines and helicopters
http://www.sussex-model-centre.co.uk/shopexd.asp?id=1491

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Beav - 19 Oct 2008 11:49 GMT
>>> Hi
>>> I have aquired an os 32sxh which I have put into a raptor30.
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> using a
> higher mix?
No. We used to fly the OS32sx with NO nitro and not have that problem. Maybe
you don't have enough OIL in the fuel and it's overheating. Sure sounds like
it's getting too hot to me.

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Nitro is a little low. You don't need huge amounts especially if you are
just learning but I'd try 10% maybe 15%.
Try to use fuel with synthetic oil as it will keep your engine cleaner on
the outside and less likely to 'gum-up' the internals.
But I don't think it's down to the nitro alone.
It sounds like the engine is bogging - assuming there is nothing mechanical
wrong with the drive or rotor head (too much pitch etc) I would say that
engine is running too rich.
If you run to lean then when you open the throttle quickly then it tends to
stop abruptly. The engine will also get very hot - probably can't put you
finger tip on the back plate.
If you run to rich then when you open the throttle quickly then it tends to
splutter, become sluggish, sometimes even 4-stroke. The engine will stay
pretty cool and you will be able to keep your finger tip on the back plate
indefinately.
It's hard to tell whether its the main needle or the idle needle you should
change. I would go for the high needle because
(a) It sounds more likely to be the main needle.
(b) It's less sensitive
(c) It's easier to change
So you want to turn the main needle clockwise a few clicks at a time. Don't
rush it. Remember where you started so you can put it back. Try it each
time you make a small adjustment. Land. Repeat until it feels good.
Make sure there is always some smoke coming out of the exhaust - that's
shows there is plenty of oil looking after the engine - you don't need
clouds of it.
Check the engine backplate - if it's too hot to put your fingertip on for 2
or 3 secs then back the needle off as you are too lean.
Finally, register with www.runryder.com - very active forum with loads of
advice.
Also look here http://www.raptortechnique.com/
Cheers,
Nigel
Nigel Heather - 09 Oct 2008 15:01 GMT
Forgot to add. It could be that you are running too lean - engine
overheating. I have seen an overheating engine run too slowly.
You will tell if it's too lean with the backplate test.
If it is then you want to richen the main needle - turn it anticlockwise.
Cheers,
Nigel
jamesgarrod - 10 Oct 2008 10:41 GMT
>Nitro is a little low. You don't need huge amounts especially if you are
>just learning but I'd try 10% maybe 15%.
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>
>Nigel
Thanks Nigel.
I am a begginer but have flown a Trex 450 for a year. Stepped up to the
Raptor 30 a month ago. The day I was having these problems was the first
time I had properly flown. What is strange is that I did get one 5-6 minute
flight that was perfect. Nice amount of smoke, sounded perfect, good throttle
reponse. After that I started getting the problem of losing power and then
not being able to recover. Was low for most crashes so didnt matter, managed
to auto rotate from one unintential high crash (breeze got it), nothing
broken.
Pitch must be fine as It has flown well, managed to get some half eights on
both sides. It has fuel as it will run all day at half throttle on the ground.
Have checked servo geomety on the pitch and throttle arm as per your
recommendation of raptor technique.com - seems to be in the right place.
Muffler def had a leak, stripped it last night - found an O ring dead.
Replaced, resealed. Could this have been the issue?
Cant fly, blowing to hard this week.
Stripped engine as well, carb is super clean, needle also.
I experimented with the mixture, from lean to rich. with a friend of mine we
went from one end of the spectrum to the other, I heard and saw a difference
in all. But this loss of power after being at high revs, choosing to drop
revs but then never being able to rev up again has me (and two good friends)
losing sleep!!
Thanks for all and any advice you can give.....
Regards
James
>Hi
>I have aquired an os 32sxh which I have put into a raptor30.
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>The muffler also has a bit of play in the end and I presume I might be
>getting a little air in there, Could this be causing problems as well?
When the muffler leaks you will loose fuel pressure (assuming muffler
pressure is providing fuel pressure) and go lean and get hot. Fixing
the air leak is the first order of business!
More Nitro will cover a multitude of problems because it nets out to a
broader useful needle setting.
The heli guys around here use at least 20%. With the rising costs of
nitro I can understand the desire to minimize it. I am also interested
if anyone is successful with that low of nitro content!
John Ferrell W8CCW
Nigel Heather - 09 Oct 2008 17:19 GMT
No trouble with low nitro.
When I had a Hawk 30 (OS 32) I ran it on 10%.
I very quickly upgraded to a Raptor 50, with an OS 50 (non hyper) and I run
that with Bekra 10 and sometimes Bekra 16.
I'm not an accomplished flier so whether I would notice the difference with
hard 3D I cannot say. But for hovering, forward flight and normal
aerobatics I find 10% is fine.
Cheers,
Nigel
Kevin - 09 Oct 2008 18:13 GMT
>> Hi
>> I have aquired an os 32sxh which I have put into a raptor30.
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> if anyone is successful with that low of nitro content!
> John Ferrell W8CCW
I used to run my Nexus on 5 very gentle circuits and hovering which was
all I could manage & it ran fine, I never run any aero engines on
anything else than 5%(mostly because I am to tight to buy greater nitro
fuel)

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Beav - 19 Oct 2008 11:51 GMT
>>Hi
>>I have aquired an os 32sxh which I have put into a raptor30.
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> if anyone is successful with that low of nitro content!
> John Ferrell W8CCW
I used zero nitro fuel in OS 32's for years. This is definitely NOT a nitro
problem, it's a mixture problem.

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