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Model Forum / Radio Controlled / Helicopters / December 200330 or 60 size?
Hi all: Totally new to R/C helicopters, but now at an age where money is available... some spend their midlife crisis budget on a Harley, and I don't like bikes, so what else is there (LOL). A childhood dream may become reality. 6 to 7 years ago I flew 1/4 scale planes, so there is some experience with radio gear and engines. I'm not interested in aerobatics or such. My main desire is to have a heli model doing the graceful maneuvers of the real size machines. Because of this, I am biased towards getting a 60 size machine, thinking that larger is slower and more stable, and also easier to see. So, now to my question: Should I go for a 60 size? I know the 30's are easier (less money) to repair, but as I said... money is not an issue. Any experience you could share with me, I'm very thankful. Harald Well if money seems to be no object then go for a .90 size bird or a gasser! Turbines are out there too now! > Hi all: > [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > > Harald So you think larger helis do fly slower, and more stable? Don't get me wrong, I'm not asking what the most expensive model is, I rather would like to find out if it is indeed true that larger = slower = more stable? Any recommendation for a 60 or 90 size heli? By the way, I'm located in VA, USA. Harald > Well if money seems to be no object then go for a .90 size bird or a gasser! > Turbines are out there too now! [quoted text clipped - 17 lines] > > > > Harald > So you think larger helis do fly slower, and more stable? Don't get me > wrong, I'm not asking what the most expensive model is, I rather would like > to find out if it is indeed true that larger = slower = more stable? Any > recommendation for a 60 or 90 size heli? By the way, I'm located in VA, USA. > > Harald Slower? No. Bigger models are easier to see, less influenced by butterflies farts and other gasseous anomolies. If cash is free then yes, buy a 50 class machine. Note, 50, not 60. The 50 is a big 30 so has many advantages of bigger machines but is less complex and costly than a true 60. I know you said cash is not an issue, but why waste it? waste not, want not , eh? Buy a sceadu / raptor 50 or some such and have fun. You will have fun!! Essentially learning to fly is not a cash thing, its a dedication thing. Learning to 3D, now THATS a cash thing!! David > So you think larger helis do fly slower, and more stable? Don't get me > wrong, I'm not asking what the most expensive model is, I rather [quoted text clipped - 23 lines] >>> >>> Harald I think it would be reasonably true to say larger is more stable, primarily because large models get affected less by the wind. Having said that, there are some really wild helis out there with 60 or 90 size engines, so it depends what you go for. If you are thinking of going the scale route (as I am doing), you would be well advised to have a look at www.scalerchelis.com There is loads of experience on that forum plus most of the members are based in the USA (I'm not), so you're almost certain to find someone local to you. See you on the forum. TimH Thanks, Tim > > So you think larger helis do fly slower, and more stable? Don't get me > > wrong, I'm not asking what the most expensive model is, I rather [quoted text clipped - 42 lines] > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > Version: 6.0.553 / Virus Database: 345 - Release Date: 18/12/2003 > So you think larger helis do fly slower, and more stable? Don't get me > wrong, I'm not asking what the most expensive model is, I rather would like > to find out if it is indeed true that larger = slower = more stable? Any > recommendation for a 60 or 90 size heli? By the way, I'm located in VA, USA. If your interest is in smooth, graceful and stable, then you need to be looking at the Robbe Cuatro. Designed for a 90 engine (so it's even larger than a 60) and they really ARE smooth and graceful. They're also just about THE easiest flying helicopter out there. Not cheap, but like you say, money isn't an issue.  SignatureBeav Please note my E-mail address is "beavis dot original at ntlworld dot com" (with the obvious changes) Beavisland now lives at www.beavisoriginal.co.uk Beav: Thanks, that's a good piece of info. I will look at the Robbe Cuatro. Harald > > So you think larger helis do fly slower, and more stable? Don't get me > > wrong, I'm not asking what the most expensive model is, I rather would [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > > Not cheap, but like you say, money isn't an issue. > Beav: > > Thanks, that's a good piece of info. I will look at the Robbe Cuatro. Before you leap in two footed harald, please remember that the bigger machines DO cost considerably more. I now you said money wasn't blah....but even so, it IS a significant difference. That said, the bigger machines DO fly better, and if you do ( A) some sim flying, and (B) get a GOOD instructor to help you through the first few hours. You won't be in the position many new heli flyers find themselves in, which is holding a heli they no longer want becasuu it's "too small". In the heli hobby's early days, EVERYONE learned on big machines (there weren't any little ones) and the majority who stayed with the hobby, eventually bought small heli's, but most return to the big ones too. That alone should tell a story. consider also that fact that a big machine hitting YOU hurst a LOT more than a small machine, and the same applies to it hitting anyone else. SignatureBeav Please note my E-mail address is "beavis dot original at ntlworld dot com" (with the obvious changes) Beavisland now lives at www.beavisoriginal.co.uk > If your interest is in smooth, graceful and stable, then you need to be > looking at the Robbe Cuatro. Designed for a 90 engine (so it's even larger > than a 60) and they really ARE smooth and graceful. They're also just about > THE easiest flying helicopter out there. > > Not cheap, but like you say, money isn't an issue. Beav., yeah, but for an ab initio r/c student??? He's going to crash it isn't he, so why make the prangs wastefully costly? Isn/t it also a case of the bigger they are the harder they fall? I'd love / hate to see comparative crashes of a Freyer and a Cuatro, both flown onto the deck. David why not not start out with something like a raptor 50 while leaning then buy a dearer or bigger helicopter when you can fly and you will still will have the raptor as a back up machine if you deck the other one , in the begining dont spend all your money on the helicopter put more money into the transmitter ( dont get the bottom end one, something like the 3810 or 9x, it will be worth it in the long term ) dont forget all those other things you will need to fly, tools, starter, glo driver, fuel, pitch guage, etc etc > > If your interest is in smooth, graceful and stable, then you need to be > > looking at the Robbe Cuatro. Designed for a 90 engine (so it's even larger [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > > David > > If your interest is in smooth, graceful and stable, then you need to be > > looking at the Robbe Cuatro. Designed for a 90 engine (so it's even larger [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > > Beav., yeah, but for an ab initio r/c student??? Why not? The easier a model is to fly, the easierand quicker it is to learn. He's going to crash it > isn't he, ALMOST guaranteed, but not FULLY, and with the right help/instruction, that first crash can be many moons away. Of course he WILL eventually deck it, but that's all part of life's rich tapestry. so why make the prangs wastefully costly? Coz it's not my money and Harald has his own opinion on how he wants to spend HIS. > Isn/t it also a case of the bigger they are the harder they fall? You have to make sure you don't fall 'em. You do that by getting an instructor and a sim. That can delay the inevitable for a more than acceptable amount of time, and it's not necessary to crash a heli while you're learning. The best crashes come when you THINK you're "sorted" and can fly the arse of the heli, but by that time, you'd likely have a big heli anyway. I'd love > / hate to see comparative crashes of a Freyer and a Cuatro, both flown onto > the deck. Sadistic bugger :-) SignatureBeav Please note my E-mail address is "beavis dot original at ntlworld dot com" (with the obvious changes) Beavisland now lives at www.beavisoriginal.co.uk With all that has been said about money not being an object and what not there is another factor of something cheap like the Raptor .50. Simplicity. A beginner will crash....well, we all do....so I guess I should say, a beginner will crash more often. So ease of repair, not just the cost of the repair, can be a consideration. I crashed a Fury a while back due to one of the tail nuts comming off. Fixed the bird, but missed a crack in the carbon boom. 15 flights after the crash the tail broke in half and flew up into the mains causing a mid-air...a solo mid-air :) Another $350USD later, it was again in the air. This time a slightly undersized tailboom moved a couple of millimeters and my torque tube disengaged causing another rapid piro into the ground. I have now given up on the Fury's and am flying a Raptor .60 Far fewer parts, and a much simpler design....and I can still do all the 3D I was doing with my other one. I haven't crashed this one yet, but I guarntee it will be an easier reassembly, and I will be much less likely to miss something that is broken. Regards, Guy Good point, excellent point! As a matter of fact, that's what I'm gonna do. Start with a Raptor 50, pod and boom, and learn to fly. Actually, I already ordered the RealFlight sim for my computer, so the steps are: 1. Learn on the sim 2. learn more (crash and repair) with the Raptor 3. enjoy with the Cuatro (and try not to crash too often) Yes, will definitely go with a good radio gear, as Colin suggested. Thanks for all your input, friends. Harald > With all that has been said about money not being an object and what not > there is another factor of something cheap like the Raptor .50. Simplicity. [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] > > Regards, Guy go with the jr 9x radio, its all you will ever need, and is easy to understand and program, i wish i had got this first time , but went for a sanwa rd6000 super, but it was ok to start with, but then again the 9x was not out when i got the sanwa, i have a shuttle 30 size and a raptor 50, and much perfer the shuttle, its much simpler to repair and set up, may i say before you go and get a raptor look at the newer sceadu 50 evolution its meant to be a better heli les > Good point, excellent point! As a matter of fact, that's what I'm gonna do. > Start with a Raptor 50, pod and boom, and learn to fly. Actually, I already [quoted text clipped - 33 lines] > > > > Regards, Guy |
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