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Starting out in flying choppers?

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tai fu - 26 Dec 2003 04:13 GMT
I was involved in model rocketry a while back, but now that I am in Taiwan,
I cant fly any model rockets here, only bottle rockets and they are no fun
after a while... anyways I found several model shops that sells helicopters
and I was wondering how hard is it to fly one? am I better off with
airplanes or something? dont want to sink like 600+ dollars into something
thats going to crash....
M Gazer - 26 Dec 2003 04:30 GMT
Ask the hobby shop or find some local club & ask questions.Heli flying is
expensive & you'll expec to crash then rebuild.$600 is nothing.A drop in the
bucket!
> I was involved in model rocketry a while back, but now that I am in Taiwan,
> I cant fly any model rockets here, only bottle rockets and they are no fun
> after a while... anyways I found several model shops that sells helicopters
> and I was wondering how hard is it to fly one? am I better off with
> airplanes or something? dont want to sink like 600+ dollars into something
> thats going to crash....
david - 26 Dec 2003 13:12 GMT
dont want to sink like 600+ dollars into something
> thats going to crash....

LOL!!!  Planes, helicopters, whatever boy, you put it in the air...it's
gonna crash some day!!

Helicopters eat cash faster than planes but give immense satisfaction.
Aeroplanes eat cash slower, thats for sure.

Both are highly addictive but Helis are seriously very addictive.

You can fly helis in less space than planes.

David
Mike - 26 Dec 2003 21:30 GMT
>Subject: Starting out in flying choppers?
>From: "tai fu" deadfisheaters@hotmail.com
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>airplanes or something? dont want to sink like 600+ dollars into something
>thats going to crash....

Probably best not to bother then... if you aren't 100% committed to flying a
helicopter before you have even bought one, then you lack the enthusiasm that
will carry you through the difficult learning process.

When you wake up with the overwhelming desire to hover, when you measure 'good'
and 'bad' days by whether you have had a flying session or not, and when you
worry about how much the dentist is going to cost, but spend money on heli
spares without a second thought, then you are ready to visit the model
shop......
Xerxes - 27 Dec 2003 01:05 GMT
> Probably best not to bother then... if you aren't 100% committed to flying a
> helicopter before you have even bought one, then you lack the enthusiasm that
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> spares without a second thought, then you are ready to visit the model
> shop......

This learning to hover stuff is real hard!  I wish it was as easy as the
flight instructor makes it look on the flight sim.

Xrxs
markerbeacon - 27 Dec 2003 01:42 GMT
> This learning to hover stuff is real hard!  I wish it was as easy as the
> flight instructor makes it look on the flight sim.
>
> Xrxs

It will be, just keep at it. One of these next days the tail in hover will
seem as easy as tying your shoes. It will then be the loop or the roll or
the inverted hover that has you bugged. It will always be something, that's
what's so dang neat about the heli's!!!

Enjoy the learning process,

-Mark
Dave P @ AeroLogic - 27 Dec 2003 02:05 GMT
Yes. It all does come in time. I'm trying nose in hover now and it's HARD!!!
Fortunately the weather is not too cold in Cincinnati.

Dave P

> > This learning to hover stuff is real hard!  I wish it was as easy as the
> > flight instructor makes it look on the flight sim.
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>
> -Mark
Xerxes - 27 Dec 2003 02:17 GMT
I used to live in Northside until a year ago.  Have some Skyline for me
please and maybe stop at Pizza Tower for a pizza?  :)

Xrxs

> Yes. It all does come in time. I'm trying nose in hover now and it's HARD!!!
> Fortunately the weather is not too cold in Cincinnati.
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> >
> > -Mark
Dave P @ AeroLogic - 27 Dec 2003 12:14 GMT
I don't live too far from Pizza Tower, Loveland. I think I went there once a
long time ago.

Dave P

> I used to live in Northside until a year ago.  Have some Skyline for me
> please and maybe stop at Pizza Tower for a pizza?  :)
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> > >
> > > -Mark

--
David F. Pinella, AeroLogic
www.aerologic.com
Xerxes - 27 Dec 2003 15:20 GMT
Hence the problem with living in Cincy.  Too much road time to go anywhere.
While interested in RC at that time, I never flew because I didn't want to
deal with the politics at the field.  Flying was much nicer when I lived
less then 1/2 mile from WPAFB.

> I don't live too far from Pizza Tower, Loveland. I think I went there once a
> long time ago.
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> >
> > Xrxs
Tim - 27 Dec 2003 18:00 GMT
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> This learning to hover stuff is real hard!  I wish it was as easy as
> the flight instructor makes it look on the flight sim.
>
> Xrxs

I really struggled with hovering on the sim (RealFlight G2), then after
about a "proper" gallon through my Raptor, the training hoop came off and
now I wonder what the fuss was about! Still a long way to go mind and I
haven't even tried "nose-in" stuff yet...

I think the key is not to overcontrol the heli. When I first started on the
sim (and model), I was using huge amounts of cyclic and the model was all
over the place. After "desensitising" the cyclic by using some exponential
on the transmitter and the dual rate function (to reduce the cyclic travel),
things got a lot better. As I got to grips with it, I gradually increased
the travel on the "reduced" rate and now hover with minimal control inputs.
Also, for me at least, fitting a governor made a HUGE difference. My
throttle curve was way off and the governor sorted that out straightaway.
Now, I have managed to set up a reasonable curve so that I can fly with or
without the governor, though I find it MUCH easier (and more satisfying)
with it switched on. (Purists may feel that fitting a governor is the easy
option, but I'm in this hobby to enjoy myself, not to prove to the world
that I can master an RC heli!)

Practice, practice, practice and also try and have an aim each time you go
out and fly, something new to try, even if it's just "hovering" from A to B
and back again.

Enjoy yourself,

Tim
H.J. - 30 Dec 2003 20:18 GMT
$600??? try more like $2000

> I was involved in model rocketry a while back, but now that I am in Taiwan,
> I cant fly any model rockets here, only bottle rockets and they are no fun
> after a while... anyways I found several model shops that sells helicopters
> and I was wondering how hard is it to fly one? am I better off with
> airplanes or something? dont want to sink like 600+ dollars into something
> thats going to crash....
JB - 30 Dec 2003 21:04 GMT
$600 will get you a decent radio
> $600??? try more like $2000
>
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> > airplanes or something? dont want to sink like 600+ dollars into something
> > thats going to crash....
 
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