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Steve & Chris Clark - 28 Jul 2004 01:48 GMT
I just did some cleaning on my truck for the first time and removed and
cleaned the air filter element foams.  I used nitro fuel as suggested in the
owners manual and did they ever grow in size!  They almost doubled!  They
did clean up very nice though, will they go back to their original sizes or
are they boned?  They seem to fit back in the rubber cage they came out of
OK?  Should I get some new ones?

Is there a built-in safety devise ,deadman switch, should the batteries in
the receiver die?   Is there such a thing?     Or should I just keep
checking the voltage of the battery packs with the multimeter?      If so
what is an acceptable voltage NOT to draw past??
( 4, 1.5's AA's  in the truck and 8, 1.5's AA's in the controller )
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                                   Thanks, Steve
Peter J - 28 Jul 2004 03:49 GMT
>I just did some cleaning on my truck for the first time and removed and
>cleaned the air filter element foams.  I used nitro fuel as suggested in the
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>what is an acceptable voltage NOT to draw past??
>( 4, 1.5's AA's  in the truck and 8, 1.5's AA's in the controller )

A failsafe is what you are thinking of. Though there are many others
out there, http://www.ofna.com/failsafe-micro.html should give you an
idea of what they do.
mike - 28 Jul 2004 07:12 GMT
A small but important point - a failsafe will not help you if the rx pack
completely dies of course, since the failsafe itself is powered off the
pack. A mechanical spring (I've even seen a rubber band) is also required to
be 100% safe.

Mike

> >I just did some cleaning on my truck for the first time and removed and
> >cleaned the air filter element foams.  I used nitro fuel as suggested in the
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> out there, http://www.ofna.com/failsafe-micro.html should give you an
> idea of what they do.
Steve & Chris Clark - 28 Jul 2004 10:24 GMT
Thanks for those points and the site.  How can I find out what the minimum
voltages can be, of the transmitter and receiver, before I hit any dangerous
threshold of having a runaway car to the next county? ;-)
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                                   Thanks again, Steve

> A small but important point - a failsafe will not help you if the rx pack
> completely dies of course, since the failsafe itself is powered off the
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> > out there, http://www.ofna.com/failsafe-micro.html should give you an
> > idea of what they do.
Rick Russell - 28 Jul 2004 19:13 GMT
> Thanks for those points and the site.  How can I find out what the minimum
> voltages can be, of the transmitter and receiver, before I hit any dangerous
> threshold of having a runaway car to the next county? ;-)

NiCd and NiMH batteries have a high initial peak voltage, a stable
voltage for most of their operation, then they drop suddenly ("dump")
to a very low voltage.

So, anything below the stable voltage means that the pack is almost
dead. Look at the discharge graphs on

 http://www.hobbytalk.com/modules.php?op=modload&name=Sections&file=index&req=vie
warticle&artid=112&page=1


These are 6-cell car packs under high load.

to see what I mean. At about 1 volt per cell, you are close to total
failure.

Rick R.
mike - 29 Jul 2004 06:38 GMT
I can't answer that Q, but I can say that most failsafes will cut in when
the Rx pack drops below 4.8 volts

> Thanks for those points and the site.  How can I find out what the minimum
> voltages can be, of the transmitter and receiver, before I hit any dangerous
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Bobby Shaftoe - 28 Jul 2004 14:04 GMT
> A small but important point - a failsafe will not help you if the rx pack
> completely dies of course, since the failsafe itself is powered off the
> pack. A mechanical spring (I've even seen a rubber band) is also required to
> be 100% safe.

Although technically correct I've found in practice that even when the
receiver batteries die the receiver electronics suffer before the failsafe
as the failsafe works to a lower supply voltage.  This has meant that when
my batteries died the receiver gave up the ghost, the failsafe kicked in and
pulled the servo hard against the throttle tensioner spring.  Because the
servo was now under high load on a flat battery pack the supply voltage
dropped and it self regulated.

If your pack dies very quickly, your fail safe doesn't work at low voltages
or you lose connection from your battery pack you will be screwed without
Mike's suggested mechanical spring but it will flatten your battery pack
much quicker!

:)
Steve & Chris Clark - 29 Jul 2004 01:47 GMT
Thanks Peter J, installed the fail-safe this evening!  Works just fine in
the test, lets just hope it works for real when the time comes.  ;-)
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                               Steve

> A failsafe is what you are thinking of. Though there are many others
> out there, http://www.ofna.com/failsafe-micro.html should give you an
> idea of what they do.
 
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