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HELP!  problems with an LRP F1....

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thecontact_509@hotmail.com - 11 Jun 2005 02:50 GMT
ok...i've got an LRP Digital Reverse Pro....

i just transfered some electronics from one chassis to another.
nothing changed.  same servo, same receiver, same transmitter with same
settings, same ESC.....

i'm looking at the motor leads right now.  the red motor lead is hooked
up to the yellow wire on the ESC.  and the black motor lead is hooked
up to the blue wire on the ESC.

the servo is connected to channel 1 on the receiver.

the ESC is connected to channel 2 on the receiver.

these two are NOT plugged in upside down.  there is a notch on each
plug that prevents that from happening.

my transmitter is set for Normal Steering/Normal Throttle.  trims are
all at zero.  again, nothing changed.

i followed the ESC instructions and set up the ESC with reverse
function enabled.

......but when i pull for throttle...the car goes in reverse.

i double checked to make sure that the forward only option was not
enabled.  it is not.

anyone know what i might be doing wrong?
kenji - 11 Jun 2005 03:57 GMT
> anyone know what i might be doing wrong?

If there's a different motor, and that motor has adjustable timing the
endbell may be installed backwards.

Put the same motor from the other chassis in and try it.
thecontact_509@hotmail.com - 11 Jun 2005 22:47 GMT
i just swapped the motor leads.....orange to black, and blue to
red...and now it works fine.

will there be a problem doing this?

do some motors run in reverse?

kenji....this motor has a sealed end bell.
kenji - 11 Jun 2005 23:11 GMT
> i just swapped the motor leads.....orange to black, and blue to
> red...and now it works fine.
>
> will there be a problem doing this?

I'd take your radio transmitter and switch it there.

> do some motors run in reverse?

I'm not sure. But I think some 19T motors run the opposite way.

Also, is it possible, that how the motor mounts to the vehicle is the
opposite direction than the last vehicle?
thecontact_509@hotmail.com - 12 Jun 2005 01:37 GMT
i tried switching it at the transmitter but then there's a 1 second
delay before th throttle engages.  just like it used to do when i
wanter to reverse.

the same motor moved form one chassis....to an identical chassis.  no
change in the way it mounts.
kenji - 12 Jun 2005 01:55 GMT
> i tried switching it at the transmitter but then there's a 1 second
> delay before th throttle engages.  just like it used to do when i
> wanter to reverse.
>
> the same motor moved form one chassis....to an identical chassis.  no
> change in the way it mounts.

if you are saying everything is the same but the only thing that changed
is a chassis, that would be impossible.

Connect everything normally. Meaning the leads. Return your transmitter
to the proper setting and reset the speed control.
thecontact_509@hotmail.com - 12 Jun 2005 17:56 GMT
that's what really threw me for a loop.  nothing changed.  identical
parts, identical chassis.

i didn't even bother to mess with the transmitter or the ESC settings
since nothing was being changed.

and then....the car starts running in reverse.

i returned everything to normal yesterday afternoon and reset the
transmitter and esc.  and it's still running in reverse.

i took out the LRP F1 esc that was in there and put in a Futaba ESC
that is in three other chassis i own and never gives me problems.  and
it still ran in reverse.

how can simply moving compoenets form one chassis to another reverse
the motor?
kenji - 12 Jun 2005 18:05 GMT
> how can simply moving compoenets form one chassis to another reverse
> the motor?

is it possible you forgot that in the original chassis the motor was in
was wired black to pos, and red to neg, not the correct way...and it's
really the motor you are using?

what kind of motor is it?
thecontact_509@hotmail.com - 12 Jun 2005 23:02 GMT
not possible cause i've got pictures of both of the chassis and they
clearly show the wires hooked up properly.

the motors is Tamiya's Sport Tuned motor.

but...even IF the this one particular motor turns the other way, if i
flip the switch to reverse throttle on the transmitter....it still has
that delay in throttle.
Chris Dugan - 12 Jun 2005 18:14 GMT
What two chassis did you move components between?

As Kenji says if all you did was swap parts over and they're connected the
same way as before then either you accidentally flipped the servo reverse
switch on the transmitter or the differences in the transmission (normally
only possible with pan cars) causes the problem.

The fact that when you want forwards you get a pause leads me to think you
have the motor wires reversed as that pause only happens when the speedo is
going into reverse, in forwards mode you get power instantly.

I have seen speedos in the past that have lost their settings, I had a Novak
that would do that from time to time. Just run through the speedo setup
again and that should get everything working again.

Chris
thecontact_509@hotmail.com - 12 Jun 2005 23:08 GMT
the two chassis are identical....Tamiya TB01s.

thing is...everything else works fine.  no reverse on the servo and the
ESC is working perfectly.

the only way to correct the problem is the connect the wires in
reverse.

i did the set up for the ESC a few times today.  total since friday is
about 30 times this ESC has been set up.

and it's the one touch.  press once and the neutral is set, pull the
trigger and press again the high is set, throw the trigger the other
way and press once more and the reverse is set.  then a two beep
confirmation.  and i get the two beeps.

i wish i could say it was the motor but it ran fine in the other
chassis.  during the transfer of compoenents, nothing was disconnected,
switched, reset, or changed in settings.  and this is because, i
figured, well, it's going into the exact same chassis, why bother
messing with anything?

is it possible.....just maybe...that the motor wires were soldered on
to the motor backwards?  so the red is where the black should be and
the black is where the red should be?

wait...never mind....becuase even IF that was the case....how come it
ran proper when it was in the first chassis.

i'm going to put everything back int he original chassis and see what
happens.
Scott Harless - 13 Jun 2005 05:29 GMT
>i'm going to put everything back int he original chassis and see what
>happens.

I'm not familiar with the chassis, so this might completely
useless, but...  If the car uses gear diffs, it's easy to
install them incorrectly which would cause the car to run
backwards.

Scott
thecontact_509@hotmail.com - 14 Jun 2005 02:10 GMT
yeah....found out yesterday......the whole gear case was put in
backwards during a cleaning.  it uses a beveled pinion to turn the
diff.  so....there you have it.

i drowned my sorrows with a few beers....and now...all is well.
Dingo - 14 Jun 2005 17:57 GMT
Well thanks for melting our brains  ;)

> ok...i've got an LRP Digital Reverse Pro....
>
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> anyone know what i might be doing wrong?
 
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