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Model Forum / Radio Controlled / Land Models / July 2005Motor Upgrade
Ok I found a website that talks about upgrading the Rustler and the reccomended Motor upgrades are Speed Gems 2 Speed Gems Pro Trinity P-94 Trinity D5 Also the site reccomends 13 turns or above. Which of these would you reccomend? Just so it is said: "upgrading" to a hotter motor will SHORTEN your runtime. You posted above about trying to extend your runtime. Now it looks like you are headed in the other direction. John > Ok I found a website that talks about upgrading the Rustler and the > reccomended Motor upgrades are [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > Also the site reccomends 13 turns or above. Which of these would you > reccomend? > Just so it is said: > "upgrading" to a hotter motor will SHORTEN your runtime. > You posted above about trying to extend your runtime. > Now it looks like you are headed in the other direction. > > John Ok sorry, I thought someone said to go to a 17 turn motor in a different post. I will stay away from the motor upgrade then. If there was a better battery I could get though and upgrade the motor to get more speed but keep the runtime the same as now I would like to do that. I've tried to find a list of batteries with reviews but can't seem to google right for it. Maybe I need to try different search phrases. So far the max mAh I've found is 3600, how high does the mAh rating go? >> Ok I found a website that talks about upgrading the Rustler and the >> reccomended Motor upgrades are [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] >> Also the site reccomends 13 turns or above. Which of these would you >> reccomend? I would recommend a Stock motor for a good mix of speed and runtime. I pick up used ones from local racers for $10-$15 each, new they will run you about $30. The P2K2 is a great motor and I run it in my Rustler. The lower the turns the faster the motor, the faster the motor the faster the battery will go dead. Rock crawlers like to drive real slow so they put 55 turn motors in their trucks and run an hour at a time. With a 12 turn in my truck I can get 7 or 8 minutes. If you have the $$ you should consider brushless. A Novak Super Stock Brushless system will run $180 and will increase both speed and runtime. Again, if money is not a problem look into LiPo batteries. Will cost you but you can easily double the run-time you currently have. If your not wanting to spend the big money on LiPo then NiMh 3300s are the best bet. The 3600s are new so you will pay a lot for that extra 300mah. I would rather buy three 3300s then one or two 3600s for the same money. Make sure your charger can handle NiMhs. A good charger also helps with runtime. I noticed a big difference when I went from a $50 Dynamite charger to a $180 LRP charger. The Dynamite said "Stop, it's full." but the LRP said, "Oh no it's not, we can get a bunch more in there if you know how to pack it right." You have another thing to keep in mind, resistance. The Rustler has Tamiya plugs from the factory, replace them with Deans or PowerPoles and you will turn less of the power into wasted heat. Get a hobby shop to do it for you if your not familiar with soldering. While not a big deal when new the Tamiya plugs get worse and worse the longer you use them. >I would recommend a Stock motor for a good mix of speed and runtime. I > pick up used ones from local racers for $10-$15 each, new they will run [quoted text clipped - 27 lines] > deal when new the Tamiya plugs get worse and worse the longer you use > them. Thanks this is a ton of useful info for me. Sorry, gone for a day... I agree with everything Techpriest stated. John >>I would recommend a Stock motor for a good mix of speed and runtime. I >> pick up used ones from local racers for $10-$15 each, new they will run [quoted text clipped - 29 lines] > > Thanks this is a ton of useful info for me. SNIP > You have another thing to keep in mind, resistance. The Rustler has > Tamiya plugs from the factory, replace them with Deans or PowerPoles > and you will turn less of the power into wasted heat. Get a hobby shop > to do it for you if your not familiar with soldering. While not a big > deal when new the Tamiya plugs get worse and worse the longer you use > them. I also have a Rustler and this sounds like something I would want to do. Are Tamiya plugs the same connector as the batteries have? If so the wires that go to the motor don't have this connector. So should I leave those wires alone and just replace the connector on the battery? > SNIP > > [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > that go to the motor don't have this connector. So should I leave those > wires alone and just replace the connector on the battery? you can hard wire the connection between the ESC and the motor. I agree with Kenji, hard wiring the motor to the ESC is a good idea. I do that on my race vehicles. On my play vehicles I use PowerPoles between the motor and ESC. I am often swapping motors around and this makes life a little easier. Deans plugs are good as well. Get rid of the bullet type plugs, they are not as efficient. If using a plug and not hard-wiring to motor use a piece of electrical tape or zip-tie to ensure the plug does not come loose. Want to learn how to fix and upgrade the Rustler and Stampede? Give them to your 9 year old nephew. Nothing makes you push a vehicle to it's limits better then knowing somebody else will buy the parts. The little stinker is becoming a pretty good racer. > "upgrading" to a hotter motor will SHORTEN your runtime. Depends on how efficient the current motor is. The Traxxas Stinger motor is not very efficient, and it gets much worse with age. Rick R. for long runtimes best is to buy a high wind motor. between 22 and 17 turn . just keep in mind 15a30 sec less for every wind less. be sure the motor has bearing an no bushes like some stock motors do. on the other hand better a hottor motor with a small pinion then a mild motor with a big pinion to compensate the lack of speed. LRP fusion (black ones) corally GM orion > Ok I found a website that talks about upgrading the Rustler and the > reccomended Motor upgrades are [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > Also the site reccomends 13 turns or above. Which of these would you > reccomend? > Speed Gems 2 > Speed Gems Pro > Trinity P-94 > Trinity D5 I'd get a Speed Gem. The Rustler doesn't need the hand-wound fine tuning of a high-end racing motor, and a 17 or 19 turn Speed Gem should provide ample power and good efficiency at low cost. Rick R. >> Speed Gems 2 >> Speed Gems Pro [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > tuning of a high-end racing motor, and a 17 or 19 turn Speed Gem > should provide ample power and good efficiency at low cost. So I should avoid going as low as 14 turn, or would it be ok? From what I've been hearing I think I will go for a brushless system. > Rick R. A 14 turn will be plenty fast and fun, but if you have the ESC that the Rustler came with you will not want to go that low. Don't go lower then 17 or 16 with that ESC. >A 14 turn will be plenty fast and fun, but if you have the ESC that the > Rustler came with you will not want to go that low. Don't go lower > then 17 or 16 with that ESC. I found this site http://www.misbehavin-rc.com/pit-lane/hopups/er-hopups_p.asp and for the rustler they mention staying 13 turns or above, this is why I said 14. Now you got me wanting to put a brushless in my Rustler! OH and I need a 4950mah LiPo to go with it. Hello 30+ minute runtime! 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