fried traxxas stinger
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dave - 19 Sep 2005 01:11 GMT All,
I'm new to this game, so some help(read education) is in order. I have two stampede's with the XL1 esc. I've noticed that motor and batteries(3000mah nimh) get really hot(motor will burn you). This weekend, one of the stingers died, so I start reading the owners manual, and it states that if the motor or batteries get too hot, the truck is probably over geared. I accept that, as I run the trucks in short grass, or dirt most of the time. It came stock with a 18 tooth pinion, and a 87 tool spur gear, both 48 pitch.
Now, since the motor is fried, I want to do the right thing. Mind you I just play with these things with my young daughter, we're not racers. We mess around with them mostly while we are camping. I want to replace the motor with a better one, *and* I want to get the heat down. Reading the forum it sounds like the better motors run more efficiently, which I think means cooler.
Here are my questions:
1) What motor(assuming similar speed, nothing too hairy) to replace it with? 2) What pinion gear, spur gear? 3) What about heat sinks?
I want a good all around motor, nothing too fancy, but something that is reliable.
Thanks, Dave
Techpriest - 19 Sep 2005 16:54 GMT Like everything else you need to start with the most important thing first, "How much do you want to spend?"
If you have the money a brushless is the way to go. The Novak Super Sport can be bought from their website for $165 now. Your Rustler will go much faster, but you will not lose much run time. Maintenance is little to nothing. I was cautious at first, "Is it really worth the extra expense?" Yes, yes, yes! Mod motor speed, stock motor runtime, little maintenance. I was hooked the first time I tried one. Heat is not as much an issue with these motors. The only physical contact between the motor casing and internal shaft are through the bearings. A normal motor has metal brushes rubbing on the metal comm, yeah that creates some heat! After running my SS with a 3300 pack the motor is warm, the ESC is hot, but not so bad I can't hold my finger on it. I don't wait very long before slapping in another pack and going back out.
If you can't afford that then your looking at a new brushed motor. There are hundreds to chose from and if you ask 12 people they will each pick a different "best" motor. Most any rebuildable motor will be more reliable then the Stinger, so start there. When you look at motors you will see they are rated in "turns". A 55 turn motor will run your Rustler for almost an hour, but it will be VERY slow. An 8 turn motor will drain your battery in under 5 minutes, but it will be a FAST! The faster you go the more parts you will break and the faster things will wear out. Too slow and it won't be any fun so whats the point of driving it? You need to figure out where in that scale you are happiest. With the XL-1 you can go down to 17 turns without cooking your ESC out-right so let that be your bottom limit.
Personally I like 19 turn motors for bashing. Faster then stock motors, but still enough runtime to make it fun. Find your own "happy place" though, 19 turn may not do it for you.
If it was me and I could not afford brushless (shudder at the though!), this is the motor I would get http://www2.towerhobbies.com/cgi-bin/wti0001p?&I=LXGCH1&P=ML I have an older version that I like, and I have seen tons of those at my local track in the 19 turn class.
Regardless of the motor you get, keep the motor clean, replace the brushes and have the comm turned often and that will keep the heat down as well.
Beware of cheap motors. Sure that $20 motor has 17 turns, but what kind of magnets does it have? How good are the bearings? Will the brushes crumble as soon as they get warm? Is the comm balanced or will it wobble when spun? Was it shimmed or does it have a lot of side-to-side play? How well was it tested before it left the factory?
Great Rustler Sites http://www.ultimatetraxxas.com/ http://www.misbehavin-rc.com/ <-Has how-to articles on heat-sinks
sonofabitchsky@hotmail.com - 19 Sep 2005 20:53 GMT > All, > [quoted text clipped - 25 lines] > > Thanks, Dave Yes, I own two Stampedes and a Rustler. They are overgeared. I think Traxxas tries to squeeze the most performance out of what they have. That being said. If you don't want any better performance, and just want a low maintenance motor, new Stingers can be picked up used for cheap. I have seen then for $5 on ebay. Gear it 15/87 or 16/87. This will lessen the heat on the ESC and motor. I know many here will say they Stinger is junk. But for low maintenance-you can't do anything to is- I have had good luck with them lasting a long time. You can also buy a motor. I would get a 19 turn Trinity motor if you want to go that route. Trinity makes nice motors IMO. Gear it two less the number of turns. 19 turn means gearing it 17 tooth pinion. Just my 2 cents.
dave - 20 Sep 2005 12:04 GMT All,
thanks for the reply, and yes you both are right, there are hundreds of motors to choose from. I ended up buying a Peak Performance Raven S 19T Double Motor. I know its low end compared to the higher priced motors out there, but it is rebuildable. I also bought a couple sets of Robinson Racing Pinion Gear 6-Pack Odd 15-25T, so that I can play with the smaller pinion gears and see what happens. I had run the stinger only about 10 times before it burned up. It got so hot the decal started to wrinkle, and come off...... This is my first setup, so I am new to all of this after flying R/C nitro airplanes most of my life. I thought electric would be easy......hahahaha
Dave
colinnewsgroup@hotmail.com - 20 Sep 2005 21:33 GMT If it got that hot, that quick, perhaps there was/is some added friction somewhere? Ensure that the wheels will spin freely and easily when the motor is out of the truck (should coast well, right?) and then ensure that the gear mesh between the pinion and spur is not too tight. Too tight could cause overheating too. You do want a little bit of play between the pinion and spur gear. Enough so that the gears actually have some play. Can anyone clarify?
> All, > [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > > Dave dave - 21 Sep 2005 11:14 GMT I figured the gear adjustment out. Too tight, and the gears make alot of noise. The wheel all turn easily. The problem is I believe two fold. 1) user inexeperience, by running two back to back 3000mah battery packs(about 45 minutes runtime total), and 2) running on dirt and short grass where it sometimes gets bogged down. I plan on running a smaller pinion gear to fix #2, and we'll see what that does for the heat. If it becomes more manageable, then maybe #1 won't be such a problem.
Dave
sonofabitchsky@hotmail.com - 21 Sep 2005 16:38 GMT > I figured the gear adjustment out. Too tight, and the gears make alot > of noise. The wheel all turn easily. The problem is I believe two [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > > Dave If you gear it properly you can run the truck 45min no problem. Keep gearing it down untill its not so hot. Here is a link to a site with a ton of information.
http://www.misbehavin-rc.com/pit-lane/pit-lane.asp
Has many how to's and specific info on Stampede, Rustler, General info on electric rc cars, etc.
dave - 22 Sep 2005 11:33 GMT sob,
thanks for the link. I just ran a test with a 17 tooth pinion, and it wasnt bad, I am going to try a 15 tooth one too. High end speed is not as big a deal for me.
Dave
sonofabitchsky@hotmail.com - 22 Sep 2005 17:00 GMT > sob, > [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > Dave Forgot to mention. Its ok if the ESC and motor are warm to a little hot. If you can keep your finger on either for a few seconds then your ok. No need to gear it so low that they stay luke warm or cool.
dave - 22 Sep 2005 19:27 GMT > Forgot to mention. Its ok if the ESC and motor are warm to a little > hot. If you can keep your finger on either for a few seconds then your > ok. No need to gear it so low that they stay luke warm or cool. sob,
I realize that, thanks. I ran an entire battery pack yesterday, and I was able to keep my finger on the motor for about 5 seconds. The esc has never gotten that hot, just warm. I still may gear down more, just because we frog around so much in dirt/grass. Even dropping from a 18 to a 17, I was much faster than before because of the new motors. So losing a little speed is no biggie.
thanks again,
Dave
sonofabitchsky@hotmail.com - 22 Sep 2005 21:23 GMT > > Forgot to mention. Its ok if the ESC and motor are warm to a little > > hot. If you can keep your finger on either for a few seconds then your [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > > Dave Sweet. Those trucks are great fun. I have a Stampede that has a Novak Brushless SS5800 in it, my son 3 has a Stampede stock and daughter 5 has a stock Rustler. I put the RPM large front bumper on all the trucks, really helps from breaking front end parts when you hit something. Also, FWIW, I have found through research and trial and error, the Proline Masher 2000 tire is by far the best all around traction tire out there. Leaps and bounds better than stock.
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