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branch.terry@gmail.com - 26 Jan 2006 17:24 GMT
Hello all!!
I am just getting into RC trucks and was wondering what you would
recommed as a good first vehicle.  Right now I am leaning towards the
T-Maxx, but from reading the post here I am starting to question that.
Any and all advice is greatly appriciated.

TB
DanTXD - 26 Jan 2006 18:14 GMT
> Hello all!!
> I am just getting into RC trucks and was wondering what you would
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>
> TB

Firstly - welcome :)  You'll love the hobby - your wallet won't...

Secondly - all RC owners recommend their own truck - that's just how it
works :)  I have a Savage, I would strongly recommend it because they are
very, very good.  They take a hell of a beating, there are many options and
upgrades available.  However, a T-Maxx is cheaper, and with a few mods can
be pretty tough, but i still here a lot of horror stories about
transmissions going and things - and I personally don't think the 2.5r is a
suitable engine for a newbie, as they can be a pig to tune.  That said, lots
of people have them and love them.  The Revo is a very good package as well,
very tough.  Again though, I'm not a fan of the engine.  The new LST2 is
getting very good reviews everywhere as well.  Also, the MGT/MTA4 is very
highly regarded in a lot of places.  Basically, for me the choice would be
in this order, with 1 being my fav -

1. Savage X when it comes out
2. Savage 4.6 kit (although you may not be confident with a kit if you're
new to RC)
3. LST2 - I have heard nothing bad
4. MTA4/MGT .28 - hear lots of favourable reviews - but my mate had one and
I didn't like it, handling was very poor and after he bolted a load of alloy
on, it kept breaking (but i'm blaming the alloy sending force to places that
shouldn't feel it).
5. Revo - Again, good trucks, but not really for me.
6. T-Maxx - probably the weakest, and oldest design.  But, cheap now.

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mike - 06 Feb 2006 06:46 GMT
One thing I'll say in favour of the MTA4 / MGT is that of the monsters I've
looked at, it appears to be easily the simplest one to work on. There is
tons of space on the chassis for getting to stuff, and it all looks very
straightforward. I think this is something which is rarely considered by new
guys.

MIKE

>> Hello all!!
>> I am just getting into RC trucks and was wondering what you would
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> 5. Revo - Again, good trucks, but not really for me.
> 6. T-Maxx - probably the weakest, and oldest design.  But, cheap now.
ubu760 - 26 Jan 2006 20:30 GMT
ubu760 - 26 Jan 2006 20:30 GMT
ubu760 - 26 Jan 2006 20:30 GMT
M78Ultra - 26 Jan 2006 23:28 GMT
Having owned a T-Maxx and a Savage...(T-Maxx is gone, but the Savage is
still here!)
Hands down, no contest..get a Savage!
Just say NO to Traxxas
Don't do Traxxas
The root of all evil is Traxxas

> Hello all!!
> I am just getting into RC trucks and was wondering what you would
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> TB
nospam@noway.com - 27 Jan 2006 03:07 GMT
> Hello all!!
> I am just getting into RC trucks and was wondering what you would
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>
> TB

Welcome!  You'll LOVE this hobby!  It is truly addictive.  You are already
ahead of the game by asking BEFORE you buy!  I own a Savage and a Sportwerks
Mayhem ST and have zero complaints about both.  I run with a T-Maxx and a
Rustler and kick the sh.t out of both hands down with either of my trucks in
both speed and durability.  Here's an example:

I just built a ramp that propels my trucks about 10' high and 25' long in
the air.  I beat both my Sav and Mayhem mercilessly on this ramp.  My bud
with the T-Maxx won't hit the ramp at anything more than a crawl because he
"doesn't want to break his truck."  The last thing on my mind when pulling
huge air is breaking my trucks because I know they won't break.  I'm more
worried about landing funny and crashing into myself (I jump towards me,
much more fun!)

In all honesty (I'm gunna get reamed for this) I'd take the Mayhem ST over
the Savage any day.  Faster, handles better, easier to tune, easier to work
on, flies better and much much easier to work on.

Traxxas sucks.

Doc
M78Ultra - 27 Jan 2006 05:25 GMT
Well, I assumed he meant Monster Truck since he said T-Maxx.
Stadium Trucks are a whole different thing. =)
If I had the cash to burn, I don't think I could resist getting an HPI
Hellfire. (even though I havent seen any reviews on it..I would chance it)
Ofcourse most nitro Stadium Trucks aren't that far from being, or are a
Truggy/Buggy, which leads to many more options........

BTW, I bet a Savage can run over a sitting Mayhem, and a Mayhem can't run
over a sitting Savage... so there!
<snicker>   =)

> In all honesty (I'm gunna get reamed for this) I'd take the Mayhem ST over
> the Savage any day.  Faster, handles better, easier to tune, easier to work
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> Doc
DanTXD - 27 Jan 2006 12:51 GMT
> Well, I assumed he meant Monster Truck since he said T-Maxx.
> Stadium Trucks are a whole different thing. =)
> If I had the cash to burn, I don't think I could resist getting an HPI
> Hellfire. (even though I havent seen any reviews on it..I would chance it)
> Ofcourse most nitro Stadium Trucks aren't that far from being, or are a
> Truggy/Buggy, which leads to many more options........

http://images.domino.org/albums/album33/hellfire_take2.wmv

http://www.maxbashing.com/forum/index.php?s=8c81e3590583bd9df5bff0fdf115418c&act
=ST&f=26&t=24383&st=75


Check it out ;)

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M78Ultra - 27 Jan 2006 15:42 GMT
Thanks Dan!
Looks pretty decent there. Looks to be pretty peppy and easy to jump.
Doesn't appear though to be as fast as I would have thought.
However, I think the track conditions there don't show its ability real
well.
I would like to see it in action on a bigger dry dirt track.
Thanks for the link!

> > Well, I assumed he meant Monster Truck since he said T-Maxx.
> > Stadium Trucks are a whole different thing. =)
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> http://images.domino.org/albums/album33/hellfire_take2.wmv

http://www.maxbashing.com/forum/index.php?s=8c81e3590583bd9df5bff0fdf115418c&act
=ST&f=26&t=24383&st=75


> Check it out ;)
DanTXD - 27 Jan 2006 16:20 GMT
> Thanks Dan!
> Looks pretty decent there. Looks to be pretty peppy and easy to jump.
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> I would like to see it in action on a bigger dry dirt track.
> Thanks for the link!

It was running breakin settings there I beleive, you'll notice after he
brings it in for a tweak its running a lot quicker towards the end, and is
still VERY smokey at the low end, which will be hurting it a lot on a track
like that.

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nospam@noway.com - 28 Jan 2006 03:47 GMT
> Well, I assumed he meant Monster Truck since he said T-Maxx.
> Stadium Trucks are a whole different thing. =)
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> over a sitting Savage... so there!
> <snicker>   =)

Now now!  Actually, even my buds T-Maxx can run over the Mayhem ST as it's
pretty low-slung.  The Mayhem can't run over another vehicle the way I
currently have the suspension set up.  However, you have to catch it first
and it's outrun everything that it's ever faced..............

Doc
jackpot - 30 Jan 2006 08:02 GMT
Get a REVO
DanTXD - 30 Jan 2006 12:57 GMT
> Get a REVO

A concise, well thought out and detailed reply.

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Dan

nospam@noway.com - 31 Jan 2006 01:05 GMT
> Get a REVO

I've killed one with my Savage and two with my Mayhem ST.

Next.

Doc
jackpot - 31 Jan 2006 01:33 GMT
HPI fanboys all over the place here, i doubt its the best place for
some un-biased advice

Maybe take a look at some reviews here;

http://www.rcuniverse.com/magazine/index.cfm?article_type=review
nospam@noway.com - 31 Jan 2006 01:49 GMT
> HPI fanboys all over the place here, i doubt its the best place for
> some un-biased advice
>
> Maybe take a look at some reviews here;
>
> http://www.rcuniverse.com/magazine/index.cfm?article_type=review

Who's biased?  All I said was I've destroyed three Revo's with my Savage and
Mayhem ST.  The Revo gave the Sav a run for it's money but the Mayhem blew
by it like it was standing still.  I never said the Revo wasn't a good
truck, just that I've outrun several of them.............

The Revo is a nice vehicle, but my opinion of Traxxas stuff is pretty low
d/t first hand/second hand experience with various T-Maxxes, E-Maxxes,
Rustlers and Nitro Stampedes..............so, not unbiased.  Have driven
both, liked the Savage and Mayhem better than the Traxxas stuff.

For the price of the Revo, you can get a 1/8 scale big-block powered truggy
that will anihilate it on and off the track.  So who wants a 1/10, whiny
smallblock powered rig when you can go bigger, better and faster for the
same (or less) money?

Doc
M78Ultra - 31 Jan 2006 06:20 GMT
Un-biasedly, my Savage outruns my buds Revo with a .18 Sirio and Sirio
Pipe...
It cost less too!
*note: A Revo with a Sirio .18 will eat (blunt/snub it so it won't shift)
the stock Revo transmission clutch out about every 1 gallon of fuel!
(typical of Traxxas to not withstand anything more than stock for any period
of time)

> HPI fanboys all over the place here, i doubt its the best place for
> some un-biased advice
>
> Maybe take a look at some reviews here;
>
> http://www.rcuniverse.com/magazine/index.cfm?article_type=review
DanTXD - 31 Jan 2006 16:54 GMT
> HPI fanboys all over the place here, i doubt its the best place for
> some un-biased advice
>
> Maybe take a look at some reviews here;
>
> http://www.rcuniverse.com/magazine/index.cfm?article_type=review

I dunno about RCU reviews - they said the Genesis was good - and let's face
it - it's just not is it.  They're good writers no doubt, but the tests are
always done over the course of 1 day - that's not enough for an RC, new ones
are always good for the first little while, they need to be reviewed over
the course of a few gallons really, or at least a race weekend or something,
really give them some hammer and see if there is any issues.

Also, no one said the Revo was a bad truck - I actually recommended it up
there somewhere.  Its a very good truck for a beginner, with the ezstart,
quick charger, built in 6v etc, almost totally ready run bar fuel and a 7.2v
battery.  Personally, I prefer my Savage, but the Revo is a very capable
machine in its own right, i'm just not a fan of the 2.5R engine, and I like
the extra modding options having a Sav gives me.

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jackpot - 03 Feb 2006 07:11 GMT
Well you might like to do as much as possible to "mod" the handling on
the savage because lets be honest... its pretty piss weak.
DanTXD - 03 Feb 2006 13:40 GMT
> Well you might like to do as much as possible to "mod" the handling on
> the savage because lets be honest... its pretty piss weak.

I can't be bothered to argue with you.  Run along now little fanboy.

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nospam@noway.com - 04 Feb 2006 00:25 GMT
> Well you might like to do as much as possible to "mod" the handling on
> the savage because lets be honest... its pretty piss weak.

On a stock S-25 with the stock tires yes, the manouverability sucks big
time.  It's caused by the tires actually, too heavy and too much sidewall
roll.  The Savages with the Dirt Bonz tires (K4.6, LE) do not have this
problem.  My truck was an understeering pig with the stock tires, much much
better with the Bonz.

Doc
Richard - 27 Jan 2006 12:46 GMT
> Hello all!!
> I am just getting into RC trucks and was wondering what you would
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> TB

If your a great problem solver then buy a traxxas, if you like to work on
your trucks more than you drive them buy a traxxas if you want to race your
truck buy a traxxas revo, but if you want a pure bread basher buy a SAVAGE.

My 1st nitro truck was the traxxas tmaxx but the only reason I bought it at
the time was because of the lack of support locally for HPI products other
wise my first truck would have been a Savage.

I now own both and wouldn't (couldn't) sell my tmaxx only because I couldn't
get 1/8th of what I paid for it.  If I had a choice of starting all over
again knowing what I do now I would have gone the Savage from the very
beginning.

One thing that should influence you is how available parts are for what ever
truck you buy because you are going to need them.  Suspension arms and spur
gears, will get damaged sooner than later and you don't want to be waiting a
week or more for parts to arrive.

If you do buy a Savage kit or RTR get a with roto-start.

Cheers
Richard
Techpriest - 27 Jan 2006 13:25 GMT
For my first nitro I bought a T-Maxx.   I sold it a few weeks later.
My next nitro will be a 1/8 buggy or a Savage.

You said first truck.  Did you mean first nitro truck or first RC
vehicle?

If you mean first RC I would personally suggest you look at electric.
Charge battery, plug in battery, turn on, go!  If it does not go you
will get to learn valuable trouble-shooting skills.  Learning about
radios, servos, and all the little whatzits in the truck is bad enough
without also having to tune a motor.  Nitro vehicles have to be
manually tuned to adjust for air temperature.  They have to be broken
in when new.  They have more before run and after run prep.  They have
more routine maintanence.  Going from electric to nitro I had a lot to
learn and was glad I already had the electronics down.  Starting with
an electric will also let you get some basic driving skills down in a
slower vehicle.

I wish they would offer that advice at my local shop.  Some guy with a
tax refund wanting his first RC comes in and wants the biggest,
fastest, thing in the store so they sell him a Revo.  A few weeks later
there it is on the counter, for sale used.  They made a big sale, but
lost a repeat customer and probably lost him from the hobby forever.
TLB - 27 Jan 2006 14:21 GMT
Thanks for all the feed back...keep it coming the more I know the
better I spend my $$.

This is not my first RC - mind you my last RC was a plane and 10+ years
ago.  I have no problems with the extra time that is going to be
involved with the set up and running of a nitro engine and radio
system.  Besides I will never be able to convince the wife that I need
to get 2 trucks!!

As for local RC shop....the nearest one is about 250 miles away, so
everything I buy will be mail/online and I will depend on forum like
this for when I get really stuck.

Thanks
Terry
 
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