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Model Forum / Radio Controlled / Land Models / February 2006Magazine and Online Reviews
Howdy all, Magazine/online reviews of r/c vehicles was mentioned in another thread and I believe this merits starting a new thread. The two big ones are RCU (Remote Control Universe) and RCCA (Remote Control Car Action). 1) The first thing we all need to realize for both companies is that they generate revenue from advertising. The people paying them for advertising are the same ones whom products they are reviewing. They are not going to give a bad review for a product if the company that produced the product is paying them bookoo $$$ in advertising fees. 2) Second, have you ever read a bad review of ANYTHING on either RCU or RCCA? The answer is no. Both tend to undertest the products (a few tanks of bashing and a few tanks of racing) and base their review on very little runtime. Furthermore, they will glance over any problems and focus on what was good about the vehicle due to #1 mentioned above. 3) Personal experience. I based a not-so-recent nitro r/c purchase on an RCU review of the Megatech Gladiator 1/10 monster truck. The review couldn't stop singing praises about the truck. I read the review after having found an auction on e-bay for a lot of two trucks for a great price. I even found a few other online reviews of the product and all were signing it's praises. For the sake of being to the point and not going into detail, they were the lousiest trucks I've ever run and I spent more time fixing them than running them. I got rid of them at a significant financial loss 2 months after purchase. I won't even buy Megatech hop-up parts for my Savage because the quality of the Gladiator was so piss-poor. 4) Personal Experience. CEN's Genesis plain out sucks a.s. Pretty much everyone will attest to this. Go ahead and read RCU and RCCA's review of the Genesis; they are singing a different story. 5) Personal experience. Losi Mini LST. The first batch released had bookoo problems. Were these mentioned in the RCU or RCCA reviews? Hell no! They completely glanced over this and went on to give it raving reviews. It is a great product but they should have mentioned the rather large problems the first batch had. 6) I could go on and on but you get my point. The best reviews will always be from guys like you and me, who are out there every weekend beating the living piss outta our vehicles and coming on here to brag about it. We don't have sponsors or dependence on a particular r/c company for income that sways our views; I pay for my own sh.t just like all of you do! I no longer buy anything unless I know at least one person who owns one and can give me an honest, unbiased review of the product. My $0.02. Doc > Howdy all, > > Magazine/online reviews of r/c vehicles was mentioned in another thread > and I believe this merits starting a new thread. The two big ones are RCU > (Remote Control Universe) and RCCA (Remote Control Car Action). <snippety> <pasted extract from other post> I dunno about RCU reviews - they said the Genesis was good - and let's face it - it's just not is it. They're good writers no doubt, but the tests are always done over the course of 1 day - that's not enough for an RC, new ones are always good for the first little while, they need to be reviewed over the course of a few gallons really, or at least a race weekend or something, really give them some hammer and see if there is any issues. Also, they're hardly gonna bite the hands that feed them as it were.... Places like www.rckingdom.com.uk are good places for reviews - independant and unbiased. I tend to mainly look towards forums for reviews, real life experience. Also, not manufacturer forums or dedicated forums for which truck to buy kinda advice, because they're full of fan boys. E.g. go onto Sav central, which is great for Sav advice, and they'll all tell you to buy a Sav. Go onto the Traxass forums, they'll all tell you to buy a Revo. I use www.Maxbashing.com a lot - lots of different opinions on there and plenty of knowledgeable types.  SignatureDan >> Howdy all, >> [quoted text clipped - 26 lines] > Revo. I use www.Maxbashing.com a lot - lots of different opinions on > there and plenty of knowledgeable types. Yep, it was your reply that prompted me to start a new thread. The newbs really do need unbiased information when they're first getting started. I'd hate to see a guy blow $599 on a Genesis and then leave the hobby 3 weeks later d/t it being an inferior product and giving him a false impression of what this hobby and it's products are really like. There are (2) Genesis' at my LHS right now for sale that are less than a month old for just this reason. Newb walks in with a wad of cash, a.shole owner sells him the biggest most expensive truck there with zero knowledge of what he's selling and zero advice given to the customer and three weeks later it's all over...................... My favorite thing to do is set-up, break-in and tune a new nitro r/c. I like it better than racing or bashing. This is however the worst time for a newb who doesn't have a clue what he's doing. I think it would be great for LHS's to offer a setup and break-in tutorial for newbs for a small fee or included with the sale price (some actually do). This would get em' started on the right foot and give them a workable knowledge of r/c stuff. Hell, I'd "volunteer" on weekends to do something like that just cause it's fun and I'd have more folks to bullshit and bash with. Doc "Doc" wrote: > My favorite thing to do is set-up, break-in and tune a new nitro r/c. I > like it better than racing or bashing. This is however the worst time for a > newb who doesn't have a clue what he's doing. I think it would be great for I'm a newb (don't like the name though, sounds like pube) and I am more interested in electric than nitro mainly because I think I would be completely out of my depth with a nitro as you suggested. But what you said about a nitro tutorial for beginners would be quite useful - any chance of compiling one and releasing it on this forum as one of those newsgroup FAQs? Signature______ ___ __ /_ __/_ __/ _ )_______ ___ _/ /_____ ____ / / / // / _ / __/ -_) _ `/ '_/ -_) __/ /_/ \_, /____/_/ \__/\_,_/_/\_\\__/_/ /___/ There are 10 types of people in this world; those who understand the binary numbering system and those who don't. > "Doc" wrote: >> My favorite thing to do is set-up, break-in and tune a new nitro r/c. I [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > chance of compiling one and releasing it on this forum as one of those > newsgroup FAQs? Hmmmm, might be something I could throw together in my spare time. I'd be baffled if one didn't already exist as a 'sticky' on another forum already.......... Doc >> "Doc" wrote: >>> My favorite thing to do is set-up, break-in and tune a new nitro r/c. I [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > baffled if one didn't already exist as a 'sticky' on another forum > already.......... I'd be willing to add to it if you wanna start it dude. SignatureDan >>> "Doc" wrote: >>>> My favorite thing to do is set-up, break-in and tune a new nitro r/c. [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > > I'd be willing to add to it if you wanna start it dude. Wouldn't be a bad idea! There's enough nitro heads on here to put something really comprehensive together. We could maybe pass around a word document via e-mail until it's ready to "post" and then figure out what the hell to do with it then. As long as you don't have anything to do with the section on "keeping your vehicle clean" we should be ok! <g> Actually, somewhere between what you do to keep em' clean and what I do to keep em' clean would be just about right. I know I'm neurotic.................it usually takes me an hour per session to clean up afterwards. They always "look like new" though! Doc >>>> "Doc" wrote: >>>>> My favorite thing to do is set-up, break-in and tune a new nitro r/c. [quoted text clipped - 25 lines] > right. I know I'm neurotic.................it usually takes me an hour per > session to clean up afterwards. They always "look like new" though! Hehehehe yea - My way probably isn't the manufacturer advised method ;) SignatureDan "Doc" wrote: > Howdy all, > [quoted text clipped - 47 lines] > > Doc I agree. This problem is not just with RC mags, but really any mag other than Consumer Reports, who accepts no advertising. I have seen about 10 reviews in the last two months from numerous magazines, and the worst score anyone product got in one category was a 7 and none of the ten cars/trucks got a total score of under a 8. I take these reviews with a grain of salt. I do like some of the specs, top speed, acceleration, etc. I read these magazines for the 2 or 3 tips I may get and to see what new products are on the market. I know before cracking the mag that the ... brand ... truggy will be a 8-10 according to their rank. "Doc" wrote: > The best reviews will always be from guys like you and me, who are out there > every weekend beating the living piss outta our vehicles and coming on here > to brag about it. We don't have sponsors or dependence on a particular r/c > company for income that sways our views; I pay for my own sh.t just like all Probably true for the most part but there is also a line of psychology which argues that you have "bought into a particular solution". Hence, you are more likely to defend your choices rather than being completely subjective. Me? I have yet to buy anything since I had my Frog in 1985 so I'm used to talking about things I know nothing about :) Signature______ ___ __ /_ __/_ __/ _ )_______ ___ _/ /_____ ____ / / / // / _ / __/ -_) _ `/ '_/ -_) __/ /_/ \_, /____/_/ \__/\_,_/_/\_\\__/_/ /___/ There are 10 types of people in this world; those who understand the binary numbering system and those who don't. > "Doc" wrote: >> The best reviews will always be from guys like you and me, who are out [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > Me? I have yet to buy anything since I had my Frog in 1985 so I'm used to > talking about things I know nothing about :) I can understand where you're coming from and have seen that in the past. I'll be the first to point out weaknesses and/or problems with stuff I've bought and recommended to others as no product is perfect. Hell, I'm a Savage nut and have harped on it in here on numerous occasions (as have several others) for a few technically-related issues (diff bearings, half-tank lean and S-25 motor tuning come to mind immediately) in the past. While I agree with your line of thought, I haven't seen that in here as we're pretty honest with eachother. I can remember a thread from a few months back regarding the Savage diff. bearings where we all admitted publicly that they suck a** and worked together to find a suitable replacement (kudos to M78Ultra for that one!). Doc > "Doc" wrote: > > The best reviews will always be from guys like you and me, who are out there [quoted text clipped - 19 lines] > There are 10 types of people in this world; those who understand the > binary numbering system and those who don't. There also maybe something to the fact that one might tend to be overly critical of an item. Maybe expecting too much from something and not being realistic. I think this may happen with a type A personality more often. one reall ygreat way to stop torpid quality of RC magazines is to stop buying them. i'm new to RC (just a year or two ino this) and i got to say, forget teh reviews....the whole magazine is just rubbish. poor grammar and setence structure, articles that seem to say a whole lot about thing at all, heavily biased reviews, layout and formats that look like 3rd grade art projects..... i'm stunned by the sh.t quality of these rags. do they come in roll form? admitedly, i know what it cost to run a mag. i worked for FHM for 5 years. while the scope of RC mags is microscopic in comparison to FHM, the basic concept applies. if you're at the mercy of the people who pay the bills...the quality is shitcan. although, i did enjoy the letter to the editor about the rc club that would find dirty needles and bums sleeping on their track! hahaha > one reall ygreat way to stop torpid quality of RC magazines is to stop > buying them. i'm new to RC (just a year or two ino this) and i got to [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > although, i did enjoy the letter to the editor about the rc club that > would find dirty needles and bums sleeping on their track! hahaha As far as magazine quality, I'd say FHM is not far ahead of most RC mags. of course...i never said it was better or worse. on the other hand...i've not heard a SINGLE complaint about the FHM "content", until today. congrats, now i think you're gay. but that's beside the point. the point it....they won't stop pumping out the trash rags until people...i mean kids...stop buying them. i had subscriptions to all RC car mags. 1 year was about all i could stand. > of course...i never said it was better or worse. on the other > hand...i've not heard a SINGLE complaint about the FHM "content", until [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > i had subscriptions to all RC car mags. 1 year was about all i could > stand. Yeah, most 17 year old pimply faced runts don't take the time to complain. And your mother didn't think I was gay last night. :) of course they don't...who has time to complain when you're spending other people's money. seeing as how my mom is dead, now i think you're a necrophiliac. you may want to stop while you're "ahead". > of course they don't...who has time to complain when you're spending > other people's money. > > seeing as how my mom is dead, now i think you're a necrophiliac. you > may want to stop while you're "ahead". Ah, somehow I knew that was coming! That explains the maggot I found and why you will have an endless supply of bad relationships. >> of course they don't...who has time to complain when you're spending >> other people's money. [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > Ah, somehow I knew that was coming! That explains the maggot I found > and why you will have an endless supply of bad relationships. DooD! I thought he had you stumped with the ol' dead mother thing (I know it shuts me up every time when I'm giving a rant of "yer mom" jokes) but you just kept on diggin'. Atta boy! I never know if the person truly has a deceased mother or if they're using it as a comeback. I would guess the ratio is 50:50. Doc "Doc" wrote: > >> of course they don't...who has time to complain when you're spending > >> other people's money. [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > > Doc I would say its closer to 80/20. :) wow....and on top of that, a pop psychologist! look out Dr.Phil! ahhh...you bold piece of humanity, you. Let me guess... You were the editor for FHM.? I can tell from your ever-so fluent sentence structure and grammar. > one reall ygreat way to stop torpid quality of RC magazines is to stop > buying them. i'm new to RC (just a year or two ino this) and i got to [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > although, i did enjoy the letter to the editor about the rc club that > would find dirty needles and bums sleeping on their track! hahaha one of many photo editors to be exact.... as for my grammar, did you actually think i'd put a single ounce of effort into a few on-line replies? get real....you're not THAT important. hahahha! newgroup people are so self absorbed...such a stunning display of stupidity. at least the volleys on a message board have more flair. you twats are about as "out there" as Lawrence Welk. > one of many photo editors to be exact.... > [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > stupidity. at least the volleys on a message board have more flair. > you twats are about as "out there" as Lawrence Welk. Then go back to the message boards you unflushed douche from a mexican hooker after a night of 200 peso tricks. 200 peso? my my, your mother is still selling herself a bit short there amigo. uhhh....last i checked the internet was still quite free-ish. so i think i'll leave when i feel like leaving. > 200 peso? my my, your mother is still selling herself a bit short > there amigo. > > uhhh....last i checked the internet was still quite free-ish. so i > think i'll leave when i feel like leaving. fwiw, you guys are pretty bush league when it comes to good quality insulting and plonking in usenet posts stop over in the group chi.general to witness some good bitchslapping thru the years. I personally enjoy a great usenet thrashing and from what I see here it's pretty darn lame. 2cents. > one of many photo editors to be exact.... > [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > stupidity. at least the volleys on a message board have more flair. > you twats are about as "out there" as Lawrence Welk. Seems we have ourselves a troll! Aside from that your logic is flawed. You didn't put "a single ounce of effort into a few on-line replies because we're not that important." Doesn't that make you the self-absorbed one? Doc why is it...that when someone makes some stupid snide remark: "As far as magazine quality, I'd say FHM is not far ahead of most RC mags." and someone trys to get things back on track...they are automatically a troll? everyone's a troll. besides....does your boyfriend really need you, to back him up? The only stunning display of stupidity I have seen lately is some pompous a.s who touts his own horn about working for some Playboy "wanna be" magazine for 5 years and calling other people gay and twats. Please return to your message boards from whence you came. I am sure they miss you over at www.moron.loser.hypocrite.photoeditor.ignoramous.dumbass YOUR quality is "shitcan".... **Killfiled** > one of many photo editors to be exact.... > [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > stupidity. at least the volleys on a message board have more flair. > you twats are about as "out there" as Lawrence Welk. hehehe...pompous. listen to you....someone needs a cookie. ============================================== listen, you three fucktards, the point i was trying to make was that even a shitty mag like FHM...ahh, what's the point. on the bright side....i could keep this up as long as you sods are willing to since i have the luxury of not having to work for a living. ta ta children. > hehehe...pompous. > [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > > ta ta children. I'm guessing I'm paying for your cost of living along with all the other taxpeyers in here..................... Doc my money has been working for me so well, i retired when i was 27. i support bush's tax cuts. can you guess why? > my money has been working for me so well, i retired when i was 27. i > support bush's tax cuts. can you guess why? not to sound like an a.s, but your post is just flapping in the breeze not connected to any other post. this might help: http://www.netmeister.org/news/learn2quote.html it's pretty easy using googlegroups interface anyone with half a brain, could figure out what i'm replying to..... in fact....the reason i _don't_ quote original text is to reveal the etiquette thugs....they're out there.....just waiting for someone to post something that THEY think no one else understands. i mean....it's obvious where my reply sit in the sequence of the thread. man....you guys need to lighten up.....most of you seemed to have been potty trained at gunpoint. > anyone with half a brain, could figure out what i'm replying to..... > [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > man....you guys need to lighten up.....most of you seemed to have been > potty trained at gunpoint. ummmm super? you are pulling my leg right? I'm gonna give you the benefit of the doubt this last time. Here's some more help: <http://www.usenetmonster.com/infocenter/articles/usenet_netiquette.asp> look at me! i'm top posting! oh no!!!!! loook, i know all about the newsgroup commandments. personally...i choose not to bother with most of them. if people have a problem with it, it's their problem. i don't lose much sleep over top posting and quoting, trust me. you lot are no longer entertaining. but don't push your luck. > > anyone with half a brain, could figure out what i'm replying to..... > > [quoted text clipped - 17 lines] > > <http://www.usenetmonster.com/infocenter/articles/usenet_netiquette.asp> Nyaaa, I'm at the top now. > look at me! i'm top posting! oh no!!!!! > [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > > you lot are no longer entertaining. but don't push your luck. D+ > Nyaaa, I'm at the top now. > [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > > > > you lot are no longer entertaining. but don't push your luck. wow...someone with a sense of humor! B'zugda-hiara...hahahha! good one! > Nyaaa, I'm at the top now. > [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > > > > you lot are no longer entertaining. but don't push your luck. > look at me! i'm top posting! oh no!!!!! > [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > > you lot are no longer entertaining. but don't push your luck. Why? What are you gonna do? Seriously? SignatureDan >> look at me! i'm top posting! oh no!!!!! >> [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > > Why? What are you gonna do? Seriously? P.s. - Google are one of the few usenet hosters who do act on abuse reports. X-Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com SignatureDan you guys also misread postings in all sorts of ways, too, huh? but don't push your luck...as in...i've got all the time in the world. abuse reporting huh? thin skinned liberal tards. mommy mommy! sal bass broke my wookie! get real, dan the man. with love, sal > >> look at me! i'm top posting! oh no!!!!! > >> [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > > X-Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com <top post> A truly pathetic troll. "Sal Bass" and "The Super" are one in the same. At least change the e-mail addy and use an alternative ng server when using a sock puppet you moron! <snicker> Doc ////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////// > you guys also misread postings in all sorts of ways, too, huh? > [quoted text clipped - 25 lines] >> >> X-Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com oh just listen to you! all preceptive and observant. i changed it to appear more.....legitimate. hahahaha! "Doc" wrote: > <top post> > [quoted text clipped - 36 lines] > >> > >> X-Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com > you guys also misread postings in all sorts of ways, too, huh? > [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > > sal At least put some effort in. SignatureDan no. > > you guys also misread postings in all sorts of ways, too, huh? > > [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > > At least put some effort in. I only buy them for the pictures :) Actually, I like the buyer's guide/people's choice type editions best. Can't stand the Extreme RC mag - too much adult content which I think is inappropriate for an RC mag. Now if there were a web site which cataloged all products and reviews of each where available, something like Amazon but not a shop, that would be cool! Signature______ ___ __ /_ __/_ __/ _ )_______ ___ _/ /_____ ____ / / / // / _ / __/ -_) _ `/ '_/ -_) __/ /_/ \_, /____/_/ \__/\_,_/_/\_\\__/_/ /___/ There are 10 types of people in this world; those who understand the binary numbering system and those who don't. |
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