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Model Forum / Radio Controlled / Land Models / March 2006Question about Traxxas <not flame baiting!>
Ok, this is truly not a flame-baiting post looking to bash Traxxas stuff, but.................... Why does Traxxas refuse to release a vehicle with a big block as stock equipment? The new 3.3 is still a smallblock. A low-compression, low performance big block produces just as much oomph as a high-performance smallblock but is much, much easier to tune, and seeing as how Traxxas markets to newbs you'd think this would be in their thought process. I mean c'mon now, motors are getting bigger and bigger as RTR equipment (seen the new OFNA Mutilator Truggy with a stock .32?!) and the best they can do is a 3.3cc (.20 cu/in)? Do they not notice that all of the serious r/c'ers are dumping RD .23's and Picco .26's in them? Someone in their R&D department needs to pay attention to what everyone else is doing and what everyone else is buying and get on the friggin' ball! I'm curious as to what others think? Doc >Ok, this is truly not a flame-baiting post looking to bash Traxxas stuff, >but.................... [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] > >Doc I would imagine that cost is the biggest part of it, , , those engines are closing in on 1/2 the price of the whole package. That and I would suspect they are leaving a little headroom for the noobs: Too much HP would mean more broken parts for the noob that hasn't figured out how to drive fast and not beat the machine to death. just my .02c It's very simple... IF they offered a big block, they would have to redesign all of their models. The models transmissions and drivetrains they currently have,simply cannot hold up to the torque of a big block. If you notice, a 2.5R and a 3.3 T-Maxx already have the Revo style tranny which is a bit heavy dutier than the normal T-Maxx 2.5 tranny. I would guess they have reached the threshold even with this tranny. I know for fact that a normal 2.5 tranny can't even hold up to a lowly Ofna P4 .21. It makes an almost instant shredded plastic mess. The tranny can't handle it, nor can the cheap flexing differentials or cheap plastic axles. I also know that my buds Revo with a Sirio .18 eats the hell out of tranny clutches. (Approximately 1 clutch per gallon) It snubs the clutches on the end, and it will no longer shift. Is it worth it? It is to him... (for some reason). Traxxas doesn't give a damn about catering to the hobbyist, unless it comes in the form of selling them cheap plastic parts over and over again. > Ok, this is truly not a flame-baiting post looking to bash Traxxas stuff, > but.................... [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] > > Doc I am nowhere near knowing anything about nitro RC but it seems to me that if these are so bad then the consumer would have a collective recourse against the company. I mean if something broke every single time I ran my truck I would be friken pissed and at least complain enough to get the parts for free. And if the company did not give way I would post as much info as possible about these issues on the net to hurt them a bit or at least inform SOME others of the problems they will have. There is no reason for big a.s companies to get away with sh.t like that. Consumers are paying good money for these things and should be getting their $$ worth. I mean it's ok to have a design flaw or issues but FIX them!!!! Sorry for the rant but stuff like this gets to me. And if magazines don't publish real information on their so called RC tests then people will eventually stop reading them. I used to be an avid RC Car Action Reader until about 1995-96 but now it's all about selling selling selling and there is nothing wrong with that as long as the information you publish is real. As well I am surprised that they have not been sued for false information. OK enough.....I could go on for ever with this but I have to calm down now. MacPhreak. >I am nowhere near knowing anything about nitro RC but it seems to me that >if these are so bad then the consumer would have a collective recourse [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] >good money for these things and should be getting their $$ worth. I mean >it's ok to have a design flaw or issues but FIX them!!!! Perhaps that is why so many folks on here bash Traxxas stuff? Doc "Doc" wrote: >>I am nowhere near knowing anything about nitro RC but it seems to me that >>if these are so bad then the consumer would have a collective recourse [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > > Doc For the time being I enjoy my electrics and until I am in a house where I can work in the Garage I will not get any Nitro RC's. This being said, In the electric category of RC's My personal preferences are Tamiya and HPI. I have had many cars and trucks and I used to build them for a local Hobby shop (for good $$ I might add) and the easiest to build are Definitely Tamiya's (although for some even that is a challenge) Also Aside from my Monster Beetle (without axle/diff mods by Thorp) I have to say they are extremely durable. I have even had a real car run over the front end of my Beetle and all it had was a shock that came apart and a cracked body. Maybe I got lucky but I was quite impressed and relieved. I once had a Hirobo Alien MID 4WD buggy and the axles kept popping out of the cups until I custom installed Tamiya Drive cups and bearings. An other one you may or may not have heard of is a World Engines 4WD buggy that was also modded with Cut and machined Lunchbox rear axles. Needless to say I love Tamiya regardless of their failure to be really competitive on the track. But I also like realism and true scale dimensions and attitude when it comes to RC and many of the other companies are way off in that respect. I know, A bit off topic but all this to say, IMHO, even back then Traxxass was CRAP! You would figure that after so many years they would know what they are doing. MacPhreak > I'm curious as to what others think? > > Doc Heres my 2 cents worth and something that I think is well worth noting in this great search for reason why one brand is crap the other is just simply the best. All Traxxas nitro trucks and buggies are 1/10 scale but for some reason people all around the world make a comparison between Traxxas trucks and just about every other brand of 1/8 scale trucks on the market. They have smaller motors, they're smaller in size blah blah blah.............. Naturally a 1/10 truck is going to be smaller than a 1/8 scale truck but you rarely hear any one ever compare the size of a Traxxas Jato to a HPI Nitro MT2. When it comes to the real world, the Traxxas 1/10 scale trucks are the same size or bigger than most 1/8 scale trucks on the market including that one truck that is suppose to be the best. So does that make the Traxxas trucks big for their classification or vice versa for the other brands of 1/8 scale trucks? Once again in the real world there is no comparison between Traxxas trucks and any other brand of 1/8 scale trucks because they are in a completely different class and probably one of the main reasons why Traxxas have stuck with the small block mentality to keep their trucks in the 1/10 scale class. Personally I don't think it really matters at this stage of the game if Traxxas build a 1/8 scale Big Block truck because either way they go about it consumers are still going to bag them out because their old products are crap or their old trucks were slow, small.................. Will they win over new consumers, probably but will the people who bagged them year after year come to buy their big block truck, I doubt it. Would you buy a Traxxas 1/8 scale .28 or .32 Big Block Monster Truck Doc? Cheers Richard > Heres my 2 cents worth and something that I think is well worth noting in > this great search for reason why one brand is crap the other is just > simply > the best. Like I said, this truly wasn't a flame bait! I never said Traxxas stuff was crap, just wanted to see if any others had wondered the same thing I have been wondering for some time. > When it comes to the real world, the Traxxas 1/10 scale trucks are the > same [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > scale > trucks? BINGO! My point exactly. The T-Maxx and Revo are just about as big as a Savage, MGT, LST, etc. so why don't they upgrade them to be competetive in today's market? In the racing circuit, Unlimited Monster Truck includes all scales and all motors and a T-Maxx just can't compete with the big-blocked bruisers out there today. > Personally I don't think it really matters at this stage of the game if > Traxxas build a 1/8 scale Big Block truck because either way they go about [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > > Would you buy a Traxxas 1/8 scale .28 or .32 Big Block Monster Truck Doc? Honestly, if the new T-Maxx had a steel driveline, steel transmission gears, a big-block .21+ AND was priced competitively, I would seriously consider it. I like the handling characteristics of a Maxx much better than the Savage, but the poor speeds, low torque and questionable durability keep me from grabbing one. Note that all Traxxas bashers on here only complain about one thing: durability. Thanks for the input Richard! Doc "Doc" wrote: >>Heres my 2 cents worth and something that I think is well worth noting in >>this great search for reason why one brand is crap the other is just [quoted text clipped - 41 lines] > > Doc I'm going with the entry-level arguement. Traxxas knows that people like to upgrage their models, and it greatly adds to the market to have a truck that takes to hop-ups like cat to catnip. It's an all-around monster truck that can be tuned to bash, or upgraded to race. It's not trying to be the ultimate racer. Also, remember that the T-Maxx is the oldest competitive chassis still selling today. It's only natural that newer models would have refinements on the design. I really hope you aren't comparing the T-Maxx's to the current line of truggies. They really are in an entirely different segment. Besides, they did update the T-Maxx. It's a Revo. And by including .20 sized motor, they get to stay with the lower weight requirements in RC Pro races. The Savage is what I consider the ultimate basher. They're tough as a brick, and handle about as well on a slippery track. You can add the LST to that category as well. I don't know why the Monster GT isn't taking off. Maybe the stock stearing servo just isn't up to the task, or they couldn't make the right price point. The TNX really isn't taking off in the states, either. Anyway, I'm happy with my Revo, and it's doing well in current races, which is what I do. So have fun with your Savage, and I'll keep driving with Team Traxxas.  SignatureJustin Mahn > Anyway, I'm happy with my Revo, and it's doing well in current races, > which is what I do. So have fun with your Savage, and I'll keep driving > with Team Traxxas. I wouldn't race my Savage if my left nut depended on it, cause I'd lose my nut! You're right, she handles like an aircraft carrier but can take much abuse. Perfect for bashing, ill prepared for racing. I leave the racing to my Sportwerks Mayhem ST and newly acquired Kyosho MP 7.5 Kanai III buggy for that. You should see this thing, all carbon fiber and titanium..........DROOL! Now all I need is a motor...................... Doc > I'm going with the entry-level arguement. Traxxas knows that people like > to upgrage their models, and it greatly adds to the market to have a truck [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > sized motor, they get to stay with the lower weight requirements in RC Pro > races I'd suggest T-Maxx and Revo were aimed at slightly different areas as well. Revo is more race bread without a doubt, but you don't see many T-Maxx racers, at least not here in the UK anyway. That's almost certainly because if you want to race, you want to win, and a Revo is clearly a better tool for the job. If I was racing I'd have a Revo, no doubt. People do, very successfully, race Savage's but you have to chuck an awful lot of wonga at it, virtually re-building it from scratch, to make it competitive. > The Savage is what I consider the ultimate basher. They're tough as a > brick, and handle about as well on a slippery track. You can add the LST > to that category as well. I don't know why the Monster GT isn't taking > off. Maybe the stock stearing servo just isn't up to the task, or they > couldn't make the right price point. The TNX really isn't taking off in > the states, either. MGT as stock handles even worse than the Savage! Although the new Sav's with Bonz aren't as bad, they don't roll over on the corners etc, they're still pretty piss poor. > Anyway, I'm happy with my Revo, and it's doing well in current races, > which is what I do. So have fun with your Savage, and I'll keep driving > with Team Traxxas. And good luck to you :) A fair competition would be, we'll have a race round a track, then have a jumping contest over some skate ramps, then have another race without any fixing time and see who is quicker on the second race ;-) SignatureDan I own a T-Maxx, bought it when they were very first available. My son was 11 at the time, and had pretty much given his tamiya beetle all it was worth. Motors, Batteries, Home made Hop ups etc. He (we) had driven about all the electrics around at the time, and both felt they lacked what we were looking for. Having grown up around racing (Real cars not models, Mostly NHRA) the alcohol/Nitro seemed like what we were craving. I was running a Super Gas car on alky at the time, and we spent a LOT of time at the dragstrips. The terrain we were looking to run on was a combination of asphalt, grassy fields, dirt roads, and a few drainage ditch sized jumps. The T-Maxx was the perfect vehicle for what we wanted. Some of its week links showed rather quickly, and we had aluminum control arms and bulkheads before they were commercially available. Bottom line is, the T was marketed as a "Toy" not a racer, that's what we wanted, that's what we bought, and that's what we got. GERRY >> I'm going with the entry-level arguement. Traxxas knows that people like >> to upgrage their models, and it greatly adds to the market to have a [quoted text clipped - 39 lines] > have another race without any fixing time and see who is quicker on the > second race ;-) > > Heres my 2 cents worth and something that I think is well worth noting in > > this great search for reason why one brand is crap the other is just [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > crap, just wanted to see if any others had wondered the same thing I have > been wondering for some time. I too didnt say Traxxas was crap :-) You just assumed I meant Traxxas. > > When it comes to the real world, the Traxxas 1/10 scale trucks are the > > same [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > BINGO! My point exactly. The T-Maxx and Revo are just about as big as a > Savage, MGT, LST, etc. so why don't they upgrade them to be competetive in I think its more fair to say that the Savage, MGT, LST and the rest of the 1/8 trucks are all as small as the 1/10 scale Traxxas range. > today's market? In the racing circuit, Unlimited Monster Truck includes all > scales and all motors and a T-Maxx just can't compete with the big-blocked [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] > it. I like the handling characteristics of a Maxx much better than the > Savage, but the poor speeds, low torque and questionable durability keep me > from grabbing one. Note that all Traxxas bashers on here only complain > about one thing: durability. > > Thanks for the input Richard! > > Doc Sadly for the price we get nailed for Traxxas nitro trucks now in Oz, I doubt I would buy another Traxxas truck. They sell for about 15 - 25% more than just about every other brand of RC truck on the market here. At the time of buying my Tmaxx (nearly 3 years ago) the only reason I got it was because there was little if any support on the west coast of Oz for HPI products. If there was any local support back then for HPI I would have never owned a Traxxas truck as my first choice was the Savage. Mind you if I had bought a Savage back then I probably wouldn't have taught myself all the things I had forgotten about engine tuning, so I'm thankful to Traxxas for that experience. Cheers Richard > Ok, this is truly not a flame-baiting post looking to bash Traxxas stuff, > but.................... [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] > > I'm curious as to what others think? After the 2 days I've spent fighting with a TRX 2.5 - I'm not in a position to comment in an unbias way :) SignatureDan |
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