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Model Forum / Radio Controlled / Land Models / December 2006I just dont get some people. (EBay rant)
I listed this, after three-and-a-half days I posted a paragraph to the bottom of the description. It says my reserve price is $150. The last day I received TEN bids, all below the reserve. Why? If they wanted to buy it, they should know that their low bids mean nothing. Have a look: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=190056405415 I'm not nuts, am I?  SignatureJohn >I listed this, after three-and-a-half days I posted a paragraph to the >bottom of the description. It says my reserve price is $150. [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > > I'm not nuts, am I? No you're not nuts. They are <hoping> that as the high bidder, even if well below the reserve, you'll send them a second chance offer............perhaps splitting the difference between your reserve and their high bid. If I were in your position, I'd relist at $150 with no reserve. Doc > I listed this, after three-and-a-half days I posted a paragraph to the > bottom of the description. It says my reserve price is $150. [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > > I'm not nuts, am I? Well Michael, in my experience people don't read everything you put in front of them. Signature______ ___ __ /_ __/_ __/ _ )_______ ___ _/ /_____ ____ / / / // / _ / __/ -_) _ `/ '_/ -_) __/ /_/ \_, /____/_/ \__/\_,_/_/\_\\__/_/ /___/ There are 10 types of people in this world; those who understand the binary numbering system and those who don't. There's no place like 127.0.0.1. ASCII a silly question, get a silly ANSI. On a clear disk you can seek forever. >> I listed this, after three-and-a-half days I posted a paragraph to the >> bottom of the description. It says my reserve price is $150. [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > Well Michael, in my experience people don't read everything you put in > front of them. Tell me about it! I used to fix tills for a living. Went to a job in a shop, had the till in bits, i mean bits. Even had a sisgn saying "till out of service use other checkout". Old woman comes up stands there............. 5 mins later still standing there "are yo going to serve me or are you just rude?" I said I don't work here, the till doesn't work, and you should see a optician" pointing towards the sign.... she stormed off lol. > I listed this, after three-and-a-half days I posted a paragraph to the > bottom of the description. It says my reserve price is $150. [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > -- > John I personally don't like the US Ebay way of setting a hidden reserves. I think its stupid and waste of valuable sales time. If you were able to set a start bid price like we have here at least then nobody can bid under your reserve price and bidding wont start until someone meets the preset reserve price. The other nice feature is that your buy now price goes away once people start bidding at or above your reserve price. BTW I don't thinks your nuts but just I wouldn't have laid all my cards on the table because people that watch out for these sorts of things don't forget what information you posted. One other thing to be aware of is that its coming up to Xmas and I have generally noted the vintage items don't sell as well coming up to Xmas. Cheers : > I listed this, after three-and-a-half days I posted a paragraph to the : > bottom of the description. It says my reserve price is $150. [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] : > -- : > John why not make the starting bid the reserve price? > why not make the starting bid the reserve price? < The lower starting price saved me a few dollars in listing fees.... I think. At least that was my hope. Next time, plain and simple. I will try again after the new year. John > > why not make the starting bid the reserve price? < > [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > > John Just as Doc stated ... people will see if you will offer a 2nd chance on it to the high bidder if reserve has not been met. It's a pretty good way to see what it would go for if you hadn't set a reserve. Although, reserve auctions will discourage some buyers. I have sold a few items to high bidder via 2nd chance offer. Revealing your reserve in the listing I would think would hurt your auction more than help...as curiosity of what the reserve price is could help the bidding. As others have stated as well..if you have a bare minimum of what you would sell for..simply start the auction at that price. :> why not make the starting bid the reserve price? < : [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] : : John ebay uk charge for the reserve price so you may as well have listed it at that price. buy it now or best offer might be worth a try. I haven't got enough feedback points to do that yet. The message <A%bdh.6524$3P4.4286@newsfe7-gui.ntli.net> from "ian" <r.lincoln@ntlworld.com> contains these words: > I haven't got > enough feedback points to do that yet. Want 100 positive feedback for a quid? just buy 100 ebooks at 1p each and get automatic positives in return, this is the usual scam run by some people to build up a respectable feedback score which is much frowned upon but not against the rules, best regards, Terry (I got my 371 the hard way!) >I personally don't like the US Ebay way of setting a hidden reserves. I >think its stupid and waste of valuable sales time. I think so also, , ,never really saw the point, at least not an upfront one. A friend of mine says it's so you'll get curious and bid more just to see what it is. The whole ebay seems SLEAZY compared to how it was 7-8 years ago. Seems like more people try and employ trickery and such. When I bid, I just figure out my absolout honest max and bid it. If people just did that they wouldn't get outbid at the last second unless they were going to get outbid anyways. I've been outbid by $100 and had the seller offer to sell it to me for the halfway price between my bid and the winning bid. just plain sleazy. Last auction I won, the guy sent it WAY slower (and cheaper) than what the auction stated, then lied about why (when I caught him in the lie, he gave the old "I don't know, that's what the guy at the package store told me"). The guy completely refused to entertain any idea of resoloution, so I felt I had no choice but to ding him. His response on his own ratings page, to my neg was "Thanks alot, I'll be sure to return the favor next time". He had already left positive for me, and I took screenshots in case he went back and left retalitory negative feedback. 7-8 years ago it seemed like more of a buyer's market. I was a machinist then, so I was always looking for tools. I used to love finding auctions like "Starrett pipe measuring thingy". It was a full set of 8" to 42" Staret inside tube micrometers. Got them for $40.00 (Regularly 10 or 12 times that price), seems she was parting out her ex-husband's tools and didn't know the proper terminology. I seriously doubt anyone TRYING to find a set of those mics would ever be able to find it, what with the goofy description and how she mis-spelled Starrett. > Last auction I won, the guy sent it WAY slower (and cheaper) than what > the auction stated, then lied about why (when I caught him in the lie, [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > I took screenshots in case he went back and left retalitory negative > feedback. Here's my e-bay rant to add................. Sold a P4 2.66Mhz processor to some dude with 32 positives for $35.00 (VERY cheap!). My policy, plainly stated on all my auction listings is payment due within 7 days or negative will be left along with non-paying bidder strike. 7 days and 3 invoices later, no $$$$. Being a nice guy and not wanting to ding him, I file a non-paying bidder dispute with E-Bay. Buyer responds and says that the mobo he bought the processor for crapped out and he no longer "wants" it. I told him too bad so sad.............pay me. 14 more days go by and no $$$$. I ding him with a negative and non-paying bidder strike. He retaliates with a negative feedback, tarnishing my 160+ 100% positive rating. His comment was "Hmmmmmm." At this point I go supernova. I'm pissed. He never paid yet had the nerve to leave a negative. I hired an online feedback dispute service thru SquareTrade and won the case; his feedback for me was removed but the negative and NPB strike for him remained. My question is thus............how does someone who does pay for an item physically have the ability to leave feedback? This is a huge oversite on e-bay's part as far as I am concerned. Now that E-Bay owns PayPal.................why not make E-Bay 100% PayPal based and eliminate oh-so many problems that result from non-paying bidders? I would agree with the post to which I am responding..........the E-Bay community is going down the sh.tter; this seems inversely related to e-bay's popularity. As popularity increases, the quality of the community decreases. I think the rules need to be much more strict. If a bid is a LEGALLY BINDING CONTRACT then non-paying bidders should be banned from e-bay and fined for breaking the law. But one thing we need to remember.........E-Bay cares about making money, not making people happy. Doc > > Last auction I won, the guy sent it WAY slower (and cheaper) than what > > the auction stated, then lied about why (when I caught him in the lie, [quoted text clipped - 39 lines] > > Doc >My question is thus............how does someone who does pay for an item > physically have the ability to leave feedback? I assume this was a typo and should be "DOESN'T pay".... (of course) =) Here is what I gather from dealing on eBay since 2001, plain and simple... Basically, 1 in every 100 people on eBay are a complete IDIOTS! If you sell 300 items to different people, 3 of those people will cause some kind of problem with the transaction. I have simply learned to live with this and take it like a grain of salt. I learned alot of patience/tolerance and being let down by owning a first generation Nitro Pro Rustler and T-Maxx..LOL : >My question is thus............how does someone who does pay for an item : > physically have the ability to leave feedback? : : I assume this was a typo and should be "DOESN'T pay".... (of course) =) That's just plain silly. Ebay needs to be upgraded to stop simple retaliatory feedback. If you report non payment, the negative feedback should be automated, retaliatory feedback banned. Can be verified via paypal. western union and personal check should be outlawed. Too many people being screwed. Protects the seller too. Paypal means there is proof of payment so they can't say paid check didn't receive product. Ebay is too big for its idealistic beginnings. : Here is what I gather from dealing on eBay since 2001, plain and simple... : Basically, 1 in every 100 people on eBay are a complete IDIOTS! : If you sell 300 items to different people, 3 of those people will cause some : kind of problem with the transaction. : I have simply learned to live with this and take it like a grain of salt. : I learned alot of patience/tolerance and being let down by owning a first : generation Nitro Pro Rustler and T-Maxx..LOL >: >My question is thus............how does someone who does pay for an item >: > physically have the ability to leave feedback? [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] >paypal. western union and personal check should be outlawed. Too many >people being screwed. I argee, , ,IF all possibilities of something on the seller's end being wrong is eliminated. I could see a person that decides their reserve price isn't low enough or changes their mind on selling something, abusing that just to avoid getting Neg. Retalitory - feedback sucks, that's why when I left neg, I waited until the seller already left positive for me, and I took a screenshot of my feedback, including his positive for me, in case I needed to get all official on him. My theory is that a bordeline seller will leave you positive quickly, hoping to secure positive for themselves. > Retalitory - feedback sucks, that's why when I left neg, I waited > until the seller already left positive for me, and I took a screenshot > of my feedback, including his positive for me, in case I needed to get > all official on him. My theory is that a bordeline seller will leave > you positive quickly, hoping to secure positive for themselves. 99% of the sellers I deal with do not leave feedback until you do (the buyer). I started out telling them "I'm not leaving feedback until you do. I paid you 2 minutes after the auction ended, so there's no reason to wait. You have all the info you need for feedback..." Never worked, so now I don't leave feedback until the seller does. If they email saying "please leave feedback and I'll do the same" I responde shortly with "You first" even if it would be positive. In 50% of the cases, they never get feedback from me. :) >99% of the sellers I deal with do not leave feedback until you do (the >buyer). I started out telling them "I'm not leaving feedback until you >do. I paid you 2 minutes after the auction ended, so there's no reason >to wait. You have all the info you need for feedback..." The seller holding feedback "hostage" like you describe above is a major peeve of mine. Once the seller is paid, the buyers end of the bargain has been fulfilled, and feedback should be left by the seller at that time. Alas, most sellers instead choose to hold the feedback hostage. Tampa Bob >>99% of the sellers I deal with do not leave feedback until you do (the >>buyer). I started out telling them "I'm not leaving feedback until you [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > > Tampa Bob I have e-mailed E-Bay several times on this matter, suggesting that in order for feedback to be left for a seller, that seller has to FIRST leave feedback for the transaction before the buyer is even able to leave feedback in return. All of the matters we have brought up in this thread are easily remedied with simple changes to the existing policies and computer code. <sigh> Doc >>>99% of the sellers I deal with do not leave feedback until you do (the >>>buyer). I started out telling them "I'm not leaving feedback until you [quoted text clipped - 17 lines] > > Doc But if they did this, they'd lose money from the sellers who won't sell there anymore. Whenever there is a question as to "why" something is done, 99.99999% of the time the answer is "money". Well FWIW, I still think the bidders on my listing are a little slow, or at least don't read the description. The last bidder bid seven times in about 8 minutes. each bid shows up the same because no one else was bidding. Clearly he was bidding up to see at what price the reserve will be met. SignatureJohn |
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