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dg - 17 Oct 2003 18:47 GMT
I have 5 Duratrax Pirahna 1900 battery packs, I think they were ~$15 each.
For the casual bashing I do, they work pretty well.  However, they get hot
as hell when I run them.  I did read on one website that the battery bars
used to assemble these packs are very thin and cheap.  It was suggested that
just by disassembling a pack and soldering it back together with good
battery bars you can increase the performance.  What are your thoughts on
this?  I am wondering if the pack is getting so hot because the bars are
getting real hot like little heating elements.

Thanks,
--Dan
Paul - xxx - 17 Oct 2003 19:38 GMT
dg tried to scribble ...

> I have 5 Duratrax Pirahna 1900 battery packs, I think they were ~$15
> each. For the casual bashing I do, they work pretty well.  However,
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> Thanks,
> --Dan

Many cheap packs have the thin battery bars spot welded to the cell tops and
can be awkward to get off cleanly enough to solder thicker bars.  I run top
of the range packs with top of the range bars, they still get hot .. ;)  I
still have problems occasionally with an odd battery bar de-soldering, maybe
having had a bad joint.

Personally, I wouldn't touch a welded bar, it's very unlikely to get hot
enough to melt the bar or the weld ..;)

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Bob Seay - 17 Oct 2003 22:54 GMT
>I have 5 Duratrax Pirahna 1900 battery packs, I think they were ~$15 each.
>For the casual bashing I do, they work pretty well.  However, they get hot
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>Thanks,
>--Dan

It's possible that the heat could have to do with those "bars", but
there are a few other possibilities. For example, what motor are you
using, is it a mod motor(particaularly under 19 turns)? And are you
using the Tamiya battery connectors on everything? If so, then that
could VERY easily account for a LOT of heat. Those Tamiya connectors
are notorious for having high electrical resistance compared to the
others available, & if you're also running a mod motor, the extra amp
draw those motors have will push things harder, so when you combine
high resistance & high amp draw, you get a LOT of heat....
DBarry - 03 Nov 2003 20:44 GMT
> >I have 5 Duratrax Pirahna 1900 battery packs, I think they were ~$15 each.
> >For the casual bashing I do, they work pretty well.  However, they get hot
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> draw those motors have will push things harder, so when you combine
> high resistance & high amp draw, you get a LOT of heat....

Or, it sounds to me like your motors might be getting beat and losing
magnetic power.

Weak magnets allow much more current to go through the motor, and this
generates heat at the batteries. It also makes the motor get hot,
which kills the magnets further.

Heat is DEATH for magnets.

I use the 1900 Pirahna packs and they do get warm, but I think it's
because the runtimes are pretty long. Run a pack for 5 minutes only
and see if it's as warm as if you run it for 8 minutes...............

Make sure you don't run a car through the grass. Keep everything
cleaned and lubed and good racing to you!

DB
Mr B - 06 Nov 2003 16:44 GMT
> > >I have 5 Duratrax Pirahna 1900 battery packs, I think they were ~$15 each.
> > >For the casual bashing I do, they work pretty well.  However, they get hot
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>
> DB
Generaly batteries get hot when charging, and uncharging. depending on how
cheap i have noticed i am able to make the shrink tube on the battery back
shrink a bit more,and simply not fit any more... i havent noticed any
problems with it other then that tho, offcourse, the more heat they cary,
the more likely they are to start leaking, or in otherways take some
damage.. heat is never "good". i honestly dont know what you could do in
your case, i have my battery pack set up in my lazer so that the air has a
bit more movement over the batteries now then it had b4, it keeps the temp
down a klittle, but i have not really noticed that much of a difference...
Im more worried about my fuses and so on, then the actuall battery pack...
seams i cant go out and drive any more, without having a spare 10amp fuse
with me, for a old orange omega engine, that is a bitt much... Guess i need
a new one... *- )
B!
 
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