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Mitch@hotmail.com - 30 Nov 2003 19:52 GMT
...I can either tell my wife to get me the Stampede electric RTR with
ESC, or I can keep exhaustively researching every possble car to make
absolute sure that I'm getting the right car.  :-)

If i were to get that car, I think I'd be happy with the speed
control, and then I could order bearings and other upgrades a little
at a time.

So it probably comes down to an age-old question about batteries and
chargers.

Dynamite Peak Charger?  Good?

Battery packs? 3000MaH NiMH?
Which brand (not for racing, just for fun)?
Matched?  Unmatched?
kenji - 30 Nov 2003 21:09 GMT
> Matched?

Don't waste your $ on matched.

If you're handy and like the building part of this hobby, some guys
around here are getting GP3300 cells for about 5 bucks a cell, then they
put them togehter themselves.
MT Man - 01 Dec 2003 03:03 GMT
> > Matched?
>
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> around here are getting GP3300 cells for about 5 bucks a cell, then they
> put them togehter themselves.

True but a side-by-side pack won't fit in the Stampeders chassis. It will
only accommodate a stick pack, and not too many guys make their own stick
packs.

MT Man
Rick Russell - 01 Dec 2003 18:11 GMT
> If you're handy and like the building part of this hobby, some guys
> around here are getting GP3300 cells for about 5 bucks a cell, then they
> put them togehter themselves.

http://www.battlepack.com (formerly Hill's RC Boat Supplies) has loose
GP3300 cells for $4.50 each. And http://www.offshoreelectrics.com/ has
loose cells for as low as $3.99 per cell in large quantities.

Rick R.
Paul - 01 Dec 2003 05:24 GMT
Excellent choice. I just went the same route, started with a Nikko from the
grocery store, then got an electric Stampede with ESC for play. Love it and
so does my 4 year old.

In my opinion don't bother with wheel bearings, they break with one good
crash, even the 5x11's (which are supposed to be stronger). Serious racers
probably crash less and can justify replacing bearings whenever they break,
but for bashing the bushings do quite well if you keep them clean and oiled.

The best milliamp/$ I've found for batteries is two 3000 mah nimh for $30 -
http://www.batteryspace.com/product.asp?3=215. I can't attest to the quality
but I'm going to order some. You'll want lots of batteries for play. My 3300
mah gives me about 15 minutes hard play. I paid way too much for it. Search
Tower Hobbies too, prices drop constantly. Batteries are a constant expense,
they wear out and eventually won't hold much of a charge.

I've got a Duratrax Piranah digital peak charger that's nice. Handles nimh
and nicd of just about any voltage or capacity, makes it almost impossible
to toast the batteries so you don't have to guess how long to charge and
hope you dont forget to turn it off (you will forget), all parameters
programmable...about $50. Well worth it.

I immediately stripped the plastic gears on the steering servo (the little
motor that turns the wheels left and right) which meant that it wouldn't
turn, just clicked. I replaced the servo with a Hitec 645 which has metal
gears and is a lot more powerful. About $50, but worth it, no problems since
then.

I've played around with the pinion and spur gears, finally settling on a 12
tooth pinion with the stock spur gear. This makes it go slow but have lots
of torque and better battery life. Nice for wheelies, churning up dirt,
climbing, also easier for my son to steer. You can go the opposite direction
with a 25 tooth pinion and a smaller spur and make the thing go 30 mph if
you want. These gears are cheap, fun to play with.

Finally, be prepared for the cost, the price of the truck alone is
deceptive. I was over $300 before I knew what hit me. Now that I've gotten
over it I don't mind, I'm gonna plow another $100 into batteries. The thing
is fast, does wheelies, climbs, jumps, goes through the grass, all the
things a Nikko won't do. And it's indestructible. It has hit immovable
objects at high speed (many times), tumbled end over end down asphalt, gone
down storm sewers, etc. and just gets up and goes every time. If it does
break it's designed to be taken apart and fixed, every single part can be
ordered, many are at your local hobby shop. When the Nikko breaks it's into
the trash can. If price is an issue try eBay, it's full of people in sticker
shock who want out fast. Look for one with low mileage and a good charger
included.

Paul

> ...I can either tell my wife to get me the Stampede electric RTR with
> ESC, or I can keep exhaustively researching every possble car to make
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> Which brand (not for racing, just for fun)?
> Matched?  Unmatched?
Mitch@hotmail.com - 01 Dec 2003 12:50 GMT
>Finally, be prepared for the cost, the price of the truck alone is
>deceptive. I was over $300 before I knew what hit me.

Yeah, I've prepared myself (and my wife) for that.
When I bought the electric last time (10 years ago), you couldn't just
hop on the internet and get all the info.  I spent $180 on just the
car, with no radio, ESC, or anything.

At least this time, I know I'm getting the truck, radio, and ESC for
$159.  So I'm planning on $100-$120 for batteries, and then a charger.

After that, optional upgrades a little at a time.

Thanks for your great post!
Paul - 01 Dec 2003 16:22 GMT
> When I bought the electric last time...

Oh, you've done this before. Guess I kinda got carried away there. Heh heh.
And I didn't even talk about motors :-). Anyway it's a great truck. Tower
Hobbies has a $15 discount for orders over $150 with this month's code from
their catalog. If you don't have a catalog then a post here will usually
turn it up.

Paul

> >Finally, be prepared for the cost, the price of the truck alone is
> >deceptive. I was over $300 before I knew what hit me.
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>
> Thanks for your great post!
Mitch@hotmail.com - 01 Dec 2003 21:51 GMT
>Tower
>Hobbies has a $15 discount for orders over $150 with this month's code from
>their catalog.

No, I don't have it!
Someone please post it...my wife will probably order very soon!
Mitch@hotmail.com - 01 Dec 2003 13:15 GMT
>The best milliamp/$ I've found for batteries is two 3000 mah nimh for $30 -
>http://www.batteryspace.com/product.asp?3=215.

Whoa!  That sounds a little too good to be true....
Rick Russell - 01 Dec 2003 18:15 GMT
> >The best milliamp/$ I've found for batteries is two 3000 mah nimh for $30 -
> >http://www.batteryspace.com/product.asp?3=215.
> Whoa!  That sounds a little too good to be true....

Ah, "mystery cells". They could be GP, SAFT, Varta...

But I bet they will work pretty well in a Stampede.

Rick R.
Rick Russell - 01 Dec 2003 18:08 GMT
> So it probably comes down to an age-old question about batteries and
> chargers.
> Dynamite Peak Charger?  Good?
> Battery packs? 3000MaH NiMH?
> Which brand (not for racing, just for fun)?
> Matched?  Unmatched?

The Stampede is a light, efficient vehicle, and the kit motor doesn't
draw a lot of juice. Unless you plan to race later, 3000mah packs are
probably much more than you need. I use some old 2000mah sport packs
with my Stampede, and it gets maybe 6-7 minutes of high power.

Rick R.
!bungle - 02 Dec 2003 04:36 GMT
I highly recommend Venom 3000nimh packs- $29.99 or less, punchy and long
lasting. BTW- I don't know about consistency, but the RadioShack 3000nimh
stick I picked up for the same price on a lark has been just as good!
The funny thing is that I've had HORRIBLE luck with the "Sport" packs from
both Trinity and Team Orion. I think they just package their absolute crap
cells into a stick pack and if you complain about their being defective-
they just send out another one (which was also defective- I mean, what are
the odds?).
I use a DuraTrax Digital Peak charger (about $100) and have been in the
hobby for long enough to know what I'm doing. The lack of quality of those
stick packs is just inexcusable...
The Trinity model was the red-encased "VIS Extra Sport Tech 3000nimh" and
the Team Orion was the blue-encased "Rocket Pack 2400nicd". Consider
yourself fore-warned.
For a reasonable matched pack, consider the Reedy "X-Rated" 3000nimh for
around $50. My race pack, never lets me down, use it for every main AND just
bashing.

HTH,

Signature

Dirk
(aka "!bungle")
'96 LS650
(aka "Rhino")

"Well, you may be a lover but you ain't no d-d-dancer"

>> So it probably comes down to an age-old question about batteries and
>> chargers.
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>
> Rick R.
Mitch@hotmail.com - 02 Dec 2003 05:26 GMT
Thanks...I'll check those out.

I've heard the DuraTrax not only false-peaks, but will burn your house
down!
kenji - 02 Dec 2003 06:22 GMT
> Thanks...I'll check those out.
>
> I've heard the DuraTrax not only false-peaks, but will burn your house
> down!

Any time you're charging you shouldn't leave a unit unattended and/or
keep flammable stuff around the battery or charger.

I have had perfectly new cells overheat, start popping and melt down.
!bungle - 09 Dec 2003 22:18 GMT
I've never had a single problem with mine. I've taken it to the track and
had it charging batteries continuously for 4 to 6 hours- pack after pack...

My MRC Superbrain 959, on the other hand, was a lemon from the get-go. Your
results may vary!

Signature

Dirk
(aka "!bungle")
'96 LS650
(aka "Rhino")

"Well, you may be a lover but you ain't no d-d-dancer"

I

> Thanks...I'll check those out.
>
> I've heard the DuraTrax not only false-peaks, but will burn your house
> down!
 
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