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Oy.  WTF is going on?

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larry - 24 Dec 2003 04:21 GMT
OK, so I bought the thing.
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I (finally) got around to building the thing last week (well, I've
been sort of busy...)  It is a hell of a kit, I'll tell you that.  Esp
the first step which says to build the differentials so they "do not
slip".  Huh?  Well, they cannot mean locked, since that would not
require 15 freakin' bearings.  Could you PLEASE explain, just a little
bit,. what "slip" means?  Nope.  Apparently not.

Ok, at any rate it is nearly assembled.  Recognizing that I have no
knowledge about any of this stuff but understand tools to a fare thee
well, so far so good.  I at some point test the steering servo to
center it and all is good.  Then, today, I realize I have to reroute
the steering servo wites since a screw is trying to go through them.
I do and whoa! nothing works.  WTF?  Is it because I tried to pierce
the wires?  I doubt it, not even the motor works (not that I tried
THAT before, but still) nope, nothing.  And I do not understand the
controller well enough to even tell if it is plugged in correctly, and
am taking as given that it was OK to hook up the servo to the receiver
despite the warnings about crossing polarities and and and.

I am tired.  Is there someone in CT who builds these things that i can
simply freaking pay to look at it?

TIA, Larry
kenji - 24 Dec 2003 04:36 GMT
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Hey Larry...helpful hint:

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Helilt2 - 24 Dec 2003 14:02 GMT
Another hint.............

After reading your post.............perhaps...............just perhaps this
is not the hobby for you. Anyone that rants and raves with those obscenities
about the assembly of a "toy" like that should maybe take up........oh I
don't know..........reading?

Geeeeeeeezzzzzzzzzzzzzz

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ROSE BRICE - 24 Dec 2003 14:40 GMT
Now THAT was funny.

> Another hint.............
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> Geeeeeeeezzzzzzzzzzzzzz
Rick Russell - 24 Dec 2003 19:06 GMT
> After reading your post.............perhaps...............just
> perhaps this is not the hobby for you. Anyone that rants and raves
> with those obscenities

Hey, be cool. I don't think "WTF" and "freaking" really count as
obscenities. And we were all newbies once, scratching our heads in
confusion.

Rick R.
Rick Russell - 24 Dec 2003 19:04 GMT
> require 15 freakin' bearings.  Could you PLEASE explain, just a little
> bit,. what "slip" means?  Nope.  Apparently not.

According to some info I found, the F201 uses ball diffs front and
rear. The diffs are adjustable, meaning that you can tighten a screw
or nut that mashses the entire diff together.

So, do this:

 (1) Remove both differentials.

 (2) Get a pair of scissors.

 (3) Place a differential between the scissors, so that the blades of
the scissors are seated into the slots of both outdrive cups. If you
do it right, it will look like the scissors are cutting into the
outdrives.

 (4) Grab the main gear (the big, wide, round gear) of the
differential and try to turn it with your fingers, while the outdrives
are locked in position on the scissor blades.

 (5) Can you turn the main gear easily? If so, follow the kit
instructions to tighten the differential. That probably means
inserting a hex key into one of the outdrives and tightening it, while
keeping the other outdrive locked up. But it's been years since I
adjusted a Tamiya diff, so check your manual.

 (6) Keep tightening until you can _barely_ turn the main gear with
the outdrives locked up. Then tighten it just a little bit more (maybe
1/4 turn or 1/2 turn) and you're done.

 (7) Grab an outdrive in each hand and turn them opposite
directions. They should turn smoothly in opposite directions with
little resistance. If there is a lot of resistance, then the diff is
too tight.

 (8) Repeat above with second differential. Traditionally, the front
differential is adjusted to be slightly looser than the rear, for
better front traction in the turns. But for initial testing, you
probably want them both very tight.

> I do and whoa! nothing works.  WTF?  Is it because I tried to pierce
> the wires?  I doubt it, not even the motor works (not that I tried
> THAT before, but still) nope, nothing.

Try checking all the key spots with a voltmeter, or a little 6V light
bulb, until you find the power loss.

> controller well enough to even tell if it is plugged in correctly, and
> am taking as given that it was OK to hook up the servo to the receiver
> despite the warnings about crossing polarities and and and.

Reversing polarity on the servo probably won't hurt it -- I think they
have a diode to prevent that sort of thing.

Rick R.
larry - 25 Dec 2003 00:34 GMT
thank you Rick, I appreciate the thoughts.  

I will certainly not bother this group again.  Best wishes, and a good
holiday to you.
Dirtnap - 24 Dec 2003 20:05 GMT
Larry,
It just so happens that I am one of those folks that who put together
kits and the like for guys who cant or dont want to.
However I am in Milwaukee.
So try this, Go to your local hobby shop and ask if they offer this service.
If they dont, ask if they know anyone who will do is on the side.
Often times the counter sales guys will do it for you on their own time.

I used to build all the display kits for a Hobbytown USA near my house.
Any repairs or help his customers needed were sent my way.
I am always happy to help... for a few bucks of course.

Hope this helps, this kit you choose is of very high quality and performs
very well, but it is not meant for first timers.
It is admittedly a tough one to build. Dont feel bad for struggling with it.

John
larry - 28 Dec 2003 18:11 GMT
John-
Please email me off line.  I tried to reach you but the messages keep
getting returned as nondeliverable.
Larry
 
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