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Model Forum / Radio Controlled / Land Models / January 2004problem with e-bay seller
hi i won a model helicopter on e-bay and payed for it the same day by paypal, this was on the 22/12/03 after 10 days i contacted the seller asking were my item was, i was told he was out of stock and would send it to me as soon as he got them back in, after another 5 days i contacted him again, he then tells me he wont have them untill the 14 jan and will post it as soon as he gets it, on the 17 th jan i contacted him again he then tells me he had him shipment taken by customs, then on the 19th he tells me its in the post, i got my item on the 24 th jan, i had left feedback on e-bay saying he was very slow with delivery, he responed to the feedback saying i had changed my address, this was not true, now here is the real problem, he was selling a heli simler to a skyhawk , a small remote controll helicopter, but when i opened it it was one of these bummbulebeee things and not what he was trying to sell on e-bay his i.d on e-bay is Jatt-uk please stay away from this guy, he tells lies and you dont get what you payed for, i have complained to e-bay, we will see what they will do about it if anything, i know others have had the same problem with this guy >customs, then on the 19th he tells me its in the post, i got my item on the >24 th jan, i had left feedback on e-bay saying he was very slow with >a skyhawk , a small remote controll helicopter, but when i opened it it was >one of these bummbulebeee things and not what he was trying to sell on e-bay Send the item back and demand a refund, if he refuses to pay out take him to court via the internet. http://www.moneyclaim.gov.uk you will get your £30 court fee back if you win the case. > >customs, then on the 19th he tells me its in the post, i got my item on the > >24 th jan, i had left feedback on e-bay saying he was very slow with [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > him to court via the internet. http://www.moneyclaim.gov.uk you will > get your £30 court fee back if you win the case. Is it worth the stress and hassle???? Just put it down to bad experience and be careful what you buy off eBay. I cant see ebay lasting in the future tbh as it`s full of scams, crap, and fake items, not to mention non bidders. Seems to be full of idiots with big mouths too! Si and idiotic opinions too it seems. mk > > >customs, then on the 19th he tells me its in the post, i got my item on > the [quoted text clipped - 18 lines] > > Si > and idiotic opinions too it seems. > mk Well going off your reply, says it all really..... Well,,, there is two sides to every coin and I must say in Ebays defence that I have had a good year trading on ebay with nether a bad deal coming or going. I have a 100% feedback in excess of 170 and made over £5000 in 1 year. I have also spent £7000 (ouch!) so I have a little way to go to break even! For the newcomer it is full of trader traps and one has to be aware and sniff out the background of the trader BEFORE making a bid. Dont be put off, just avoid all those flashy Ads and if it sound too good to be true, it probably is!! >> Send the item back and demand a refund, if he refuses to pay out take >> him to court via the internet. http://www.moneyclaim.gov.uk you will >> get your £30 court fee back if you win the case. >> >Is it worth the stress and hassle???? YES IT IS WORTH IT. If you can fill out a webform, you can take someone to court VERY easily. All it asks is your name, their address, amount claimed and the reason why you are claiming. >Just put it down to bad experience and be careful what you buy off eBay. If the guy wants help, he can post back in here or uk.legal. >I cant see ebay lasting in the future tbh as it`s full of scams, crap, and >fake items, not to mention non bidders. I've been using it for 3 years with no major problems! Les, sorry about your troubles, but did you know about the problems before or after you submitted a bid? Don > hi i know others have had the same problem with this guy i did know of any problems with this guy untill after a i had payed for the item, and had not recived it after a few days waiting, yes i have contacted e-bay about this problem, and i know of at least one other person that got done as well, and yes i checked his feedback before bidding, there was nothing wrong that i could see, i put the problem on here hopeing to stop anyone else getting done by this guy > Les, sorry about your troubles, but did you know about the problems before > or after you submitted a bid? [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > hi > i know others have had the same problem with this guy > hi > [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > them untill the 14 jan and will post it as soon as he gets it, on the 17 th > jan i contacted him again <snip> Why did you even bother? He was selling an item he didn't have, which isn't allowed on Ebay, and it's clearly not an error (ie. he had 5 when he thought he had 6), so I'd have asked for a refund and told him to stop dicking around. Then neg him for illegally (by Ebay's rules) selling something he didn't have.  SignatureDom Robinson Gamertag: DVDfever email: dom at dvdfever dot co dot uk /* http://DVDfever.co.uk (editor), http://LeilaniWeb.co.uk (editor), /* 962 DVDs, 272 games, 33 videos, 80 cinema films, 70 CDs, laserdiscs & news /* american pie 3, lost in translation, gladiator sword of vengeance, identity STILL HAPPENING! ITV "blackouts" on Sky Digital - http://tinyurl.com/w4mf Vote for Adam Shaw to host HIGNFY! - http://tinyurl.com/w4m7 > Why did you even bother? He was selling an item he didn't have, which isn't > allowed on Ebay, and it's clearly not an error (ie. he had 5 when he thought > he had 6), so I'd have asked for a refund and told him to stop dicking around. > > Then neg him for illegally (by Ebay's rules) selling something he didn't have. Hind sight is a wonder thing to have. IMO I think your comments are overly too critical. To be fair to the buyer he paid soon after the auction and *could* not have known that the seller was selling something he didn't have. I'm being presumptuous here, but I sense that the OP is maybe an inexperienced ebay user and hence posted here (and other groups) to share his experience and hopefully warn others of this seller. The fact that he could and should have requested a refund or force one via Paypal maybe never occurred to him. just to put you right, i did not know that he didn't have the item untill i had payed , then he told me he was out of stock a few days later after i had payed up > > hi > > [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > > Then neg him for illegally (by Ebay's rules) selling something he didn't have. uk > /* http://DVDfever.co.uk (editor), http://LeilaniWeb.co.uk (editor), > /* 962 DVDs, 272 games, 33 videos, 80 cinema films, 70 CDs, laserdiscs & news > /* american pie 3, lost in translation, gladiator sword of vengeance, identity > STILL HAPPENING! ITV "blackouts" on Sky Digital - http://tinyurl.com/w4mf > Vote for Adam Shaw to host HIGNFY! - http://tinyurl.com/w4m7 > just to put you right, i did not know that he didn't have the item untill i >had payed , then he told me he was out of stock a few days later after i had >payed up Les, get his phone number out of the ebay contact forms and ring him up. Use the court as the last resort. Ring him up and say you want a refund, pure and simple. Tell him if he refuses, you won't many alternatives but to take steps to reclaim your money. Casually mention towards the end of the conversation but don't threaten that it could lead you taking the matter up in the courts. If you ring him and whine down the phone, he'll probably tell you to go ahead and do whatever you want. It's also worth sending a letter via recorded delivery to his address. It doesn't matter if he doesn't respond, but at least it will show that you did try and give him a chance to resolve it. The item is not as described and not what you paid for. Very clear case and I think the judge will award you all your money back. Don't let it drag on for too long either. The quicker you can file the case, the better it is all round. I'd give him a deadline of 10 days to refund you all the money and if he doesn't, take it to court. This is very good advice. Give him a reasonable opportunity to make things right, then if he doesn't, crush him! > > just to put you right, i did not know that he didn't have the item untill i > >had payed , then he told me he was out of stock a few days later after i had [quoted text clipped - 20 lines] > case, the better it is all round. I'd give him a deadline of 10 days > to refund you all the money and if he doesn't, take it to court. I INTEND TOO > This is very good advice. Give him a reasonable opportunity to make things > right, then if he doesn't, crush him! [quoted text clipped - 25 lines] > > case, the better it is all round. I'd give him a deadline of 10 days > > to refund you all the money and if he doesn't, take it to court. > > > hi > > > [quoted text clipped - 22 lines] > > Then neg him for illegally (by Ebay's rules) selling something he didn't > have. > just to put you right, i did not know that he didn't have the item untill i > had payed , then he told me he was out of stock a few days later after i had > payed up That's still not your problem. Get him to refund and keep his shoddy business practices to himself. And please don't top-post. This is where it goes. SignatureDom Robinson Gamertag: DVDfever email: dom at dvdfever dot co dot uk /* http://DVDfever.co.uk (editor), http://LeilaniWeb.co.uk (editor), /* 962 DVDs, 272 games, 33 videos, 80 cinema films, 70 CDs, laserdiscs & news /* american pie 3, lost in translation, gladiator sword of vengeance, identity STILL HAPPENING! ITV "blackouts" on Sky Digital - http://tinyurl.com/w4mf Vote for Adam Shaw to host HIGNFY! - http://tinyurl.com/w4m7 i was not top posting, i dont know how too, and dont want to know > > > > hi > > > > [quoted text clipped - 31 lines] > > And please don't top-post. This is where it goes. uk > /* http://DVDfever.co.uk (editor), http://LeilaniWeb.co.uk (editor), > /* 962 DVDs, 272 games, 33 videos, 80 cinema films, 70 CDs, laserdiscs & news > /* american pie 3, lost in translation, gladiator sword of vengeance, identity > STILL HAPPENING! ITV "blackouts" on Sky Digital - http://tinyurl.com/w4mf > Vote for Adam Shaw to host HIGNFY! - http://tinyurl.com/w4m7 Dom, Didn't you have the 'discussion' about top / bottom posting in the DVD newsgroup a couple of years ago? I can't believe you've still got that bee in your bonnet. Unfortunately, some people top post and some bottom post. I the newsreader programs automatically forced a bottom post then that would save any variances! But, they don't. The majority of people will use Outlook Express to read, reply and partake in Newsgroups such as this and OE defaults to Top Posting! Personally, if I've followed a thread I don't want to have to read through every message again to read the next post which is 'supposed to be' at the bottom of the thread! Anyway, Les, the advice that you have been offered is sound advice. Good luck and thanks for letting other users know of your difficulties. Rob > > > > hi > > > > [quoted text clipped - 31 lines] > > And please don't top-post. This is where it goes. uk > /* http://DVDfever.co.uk (editor), http://LeilaniWeb.co.uk (editor), > /* 962 DVDs, 272 games, 33 videos, 80 cinema films, 70 CDs, laserdiscs & news > /* american pie 3, lost in translation, gladiator sword of vengeance, identity > STILL HAPPENING! ITV "blackouts" on Sky Digital - http://tinyurl.com/w4mf > Vote for Adam Shaw to host HIGNFY! - http://tinyurl.com/w4m7 <snip> > Personally, if I've followed a thread I don't want to have to read through > every message again to read the next post which is 'supposed to be' at the > bottom of the thread! That will be why people also <snip> irrelevant text. People who top- post and quote the entire original text beneath their contribution really are the lowest of the low. And people who have to nitpick things like this need to get a life. > <snip> > > [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > post and quote the entire original text beneath their contribution > really are the lowest of the low. > And people who have to nitpick things like this need to get a life. So you concede that you don't have a valid argument to support your position? Can't say that I'm surprised. Rob, Sorry to chip back in, but.... And you did? It seems Paul's argument is just as valid or invalid as yours was. Let it lie. Rob > > And people who have to nitpick things like this need to get a life. > > > So you concede that you don't have a valid argument to support your > position? Can't say that I'm surprised. No, what I am sayins is I don't NEED a valid arguement against nitpicking. > > And people who have to nitpick things like this need to get a life. > > > So you concede that you don't have a valid argument to support your > position? Can't say that I'm surprised. bottom posting is a horrible habit--since you then have to wade thru all the crud that people have not snipped out. Who made you the law, anyway? >>>>hi >>>> [quoted text clipped - 45 lines] > > And please don't top-post. This is where it goes. > bottom posting is a horrible habit--since you then have to wade thru all > the crud that people have not snipped out. So because some people are too ignorant, lazy, stupid or bloody-minded to snip it becomes acceptable to post in this way? Ignorant, lazy, stupid or bloody minded? You missed one.... Not Neccessary Most people don't have an issue with, just those who are ignorant, stupid or bloody minded! > > bottom posting is a horrible habit--since you then have to wade thru all > > the crud that people have not snipped out. > > So because some people are too ignorant, lazy, stupid or bloody-minded > to snip it becomes acceptable to post in this way? > > > bottom posting is a horrible habit--since you then have to wade thru all > > > the crud that people have not snipped out. [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > Most people don't have an issue with, just those who are ignorant, stupid or > bloody minded! I see your poor communication skills extend beyond the inability to format a post correctly. Sorry, I missed your point. Oh yes, there it is right down at the bottom, after all the headers and previous messages. Anyway, never mind. Live and let live. If this is all we've got to worry about, we must have pretty good lives! Cheers! > > > > bottom posting is a horrible habit--since you then have to wade thru all > > > > the crud that people have not snipped out. [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > I see your poor communication skills extend beyond the inability to > format a post correctly. Oh dear,,,why not snip the lot. See!!!! Yes > > bottom posting is a horrible habit--since you then have to wade thru all > > the crud that people have not snipped out. > > So because some people are too ignorant, lazy, stupid or bloody-minded > to snip it becomes acceptable to post in this way? Anarchy at work! > Yes > [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > So because some people are too ignorant, lazy, stupid or bloody-minded > > to snip it becomes acceptable to post in this way? |
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