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Model Forum / Radio Controlled / Land Models / April 2004Newbie Car
My brother wants a fast car. I have a limited 200$ budget... I prefer go gas but wouldn't mind a fast battery car. Any reccomandations? We want to be able to jump dunes and take it to go real fast in the park.... a good race car that has the ability to drive well in the sand will suit. THANKS! > I have a limited 200$ budget... For the vehicle and all the accessories that are needed? Or just the vehicle? Good question.....i sugest a truck. > > I have a limited 200$ budget... > > For the vehicle and all the accessories that are needed? Or just the > vehicle? for everything.... > > I have a limited 200$ budget... > > For the vehicle and all the accessories that are needed? Or just the > vehicle? Towerhobbies has combo packages...try this buggy: http://www2.towerhobbies.com/cgi-bin/WTI0170P?&I=DTXC0022 then add a battery and the Piranha peak charger.... it comes to just under 200.00 > for everything.... > > > > I have a limited 200$ budget... > > > > For the vehicle and all the accessories that are needed? Or just the > > vehicle? I think that is about as good as you could get under 200. The Evader series seem like a pretty solid package. > Towerhobbies has combo packages...try this buggy: > [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > > > For the vehicle and all the accessories that are needed? Or just the > > > vehicle? I just want it to be FAST. do battery operated cars are as fast as gas ones? Besides, I don't want to drive it for 30 minutes and that's it. Should I save more and go with gas? Remember i'm a newbie... thanks > I think that is about as good as you could get under 200. The Evader series > seem like a pretty solid package. [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > > > > For the vehicle and all the accessories that are needed? Or just the > > > > vehicle? > I just want it to be FAST. > do battery operated cars are as fast as gas ones? Not right out of the box. You'd need to modify it. > Besides, I don't want to drive it for 30 minutes and that's it. Gas and electric...neither go for 30 minutes without a new battery or putting more gas in the tank. an electric with a 3300 battery, depending on the motor will give you 10-20 minutes on one battery. > Should I save more and go with gas? > Remember i'm a newbie... going "fast" is relative. Until you learn how to control the vehicle you might be able to go fast for short spurts of time but you inevitably break something learning how to drive it, so they'll be lots of downtime to get it fixed. You'll need extra parts. I've seen many guys who have the money, they buy the vehicle that is reported to be the fastest. They've don't have much driving experience, They get it to the track run it for about 3 minutes and while on full throttle at 45 MPH run the car into a pipe and break 80.00 worth of parts. You'd be better of getting a first car that isn't "fast", but reliable. Learn how to drive, and to repair it then after you have some experience get something different. Kenji, I think you stated the logical way to think about this, but the OP is a TOTAL newbie. He already has his mind made up. Look at his post below to dg. He is ignoring all our suggestions (about going entry-level electric and then upgrading), and he still sounds like he is going to buy a nitro. Snip < I think I'll go with gas. What do you recommend? > Snip I expect he will be one more of those guys at the track that you just referred to. Or maybe the park, chasing ducks or dogs. I cant wait to see the posts next week about those stupid break-in directions. "Do I really hafta?" Followed by the ones about why these engines wear out so fast. Sorry Ploomb if I sound too negative, but I go through this all the time here at home. Live near a track and do repairs for guys for money. They never take the advice of the guys that know, they just go with their emotional responses to seeing something cool. Gets me a ton of repair work to do though. John > > I just want it to be FAST. > > do battery operated cars are as fast as gas ones? [quoted text clipped - 22 lines] > reliable. Learn how to drive, and to repair it then after you have some > experience get something different. It's cool, I appreciate your thread actually. I'll try to explain the reasons to you, and you tell me what you think. You're right - i'm a complete newbie, just like you were a while ago.... right? Anyways, half of the excitement for me to get into this hobby is the whole mechanical work which I know nothing about. It's cool to have an electric car and drive it around and learn how to drive and then upgrade, but the thing is that I'm not JUST interested in the driving. I'm also interested in the upgrading, fixing, cleaning, repairing and understanding more about how my rc works. It's more of a whole thing rather than just charge and drive. I'm listening to your opinios carefully and I take them very seriously, but I hope that you understand now why I rather go with nitro rather than electric - it's not just the driving. Besides, I'm going to buy it for fun. I live in Israel and the races and tracks here are really not the big issue. I'm not going hardcore at first, that's why I asked for gas models for beginners... you know? So do you stilll think that it's a bad idea? Moneywise, I don't know, but I do know that I'm into the whole fixing and learning about it, so I hope that with this new info you guys could help even more. Thanks! ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dirtnap" <someguy@totalwasteoftime.com> Newsgroups: rec.models.rc.land Sent: Saturday, April 17, 2004 11:15 PM Subject: Re: Newbie Car > Kenji, > I think you stated the logical way to think about this, but the OP is [quoted text clipped - 45 lines] > > reliable. Learn how to drive, and to repair it then after you have some > > experience get something different. I am sorry for not offering any constructive advice. Your response leads me to believe that you have already made up your mind to get a nitro AND you realize it may be a challenge for you at first. This is good, sounds like you want a challenge. Good for you, sorry for bashing you. So here is what I think: Get a car or truck that you can have tons of fun with, AND get replacement parts for. This may start a flame war, but a lot of the usual "upgrades" are only worth it if you race competitively. Carbon fiber is mostly what I am referring to. I install CF parts on guy's and kid's vehicles all the time because they want them, racers use them. Most CF parts are lighter and stiffer than their stock part but that wont mean they are harder to break. Parts made from a stronger material can be made smaller or thinner and maintain the same strength. This makes a lighter part, and in turn, a lighter vehicle. Better handling, quicker lap times. I most cases, they break just as easy! So don't think that CF makes your truck stronger, it might, but might be a waist of money. So on to the vehicle itself. I raced Losi trucks and buggies. I still love them. The Evader series is based on the Losi design. The parts; swing arms, shock towers, ect, are of a proven design but made from a less brittle material. They flex more but break much less often. A lot of the Losi upgrades fit the Evader series. On the Nitro Evaders, the engines are made in the O.S. plant. They are not O.S. engines officially, but they might as well be. So it you haven't already guessed, I think you should get an Evader ST or BX. For what it's worth, I have a new BX buggy right now, I run it with paddle tires in the sand all the time. The truck might have better ground clearance than the buggy. It also runs bigger tires. I like the buggy though, lighter, better acceleration. I will try to post a few photos of the buggy later on, it will take me some time to get home to shoot the buggy. Hope I was of some help, John > It's cool, I appreciate your thread actually. > [quoted text clipped - 79 lines] > > > reliable. Learn how to drive, and to repair it then after you have some > > > experience get something different. Thanks Jon. That was really helpful. I greatly appreciate it. > I am sorry for not offering any constructive advice. > Your response leads me to believe that you have [quoted text clipped - 125 lines] > some > > > > experience get something different. I looked in ebay, and there's an evader st nitro and evader st electric. I assume you suggested the electric, right? :-) When I get to be pro, I'm going to help newbies all the time. I guess it's really annoying, ha? THANKS! > I am sorry for not offering any constructive advice. > Your response leads me to believe that you have [quoted text clipped - 125 lines] > some > > > > experience get something different. NO! If you want the nitro, get the nitro. The buggy I am currently running is nitro. My last piece of advise is to pick a fuel and stay with it. Don't change nitro content or brands. It can really screw up the reliability of the engine. John > I looked in ebay, and there's an evader st nitro and evader st electric. I > assume you suggested the electric, right? :-) [quoted text clipped - 141 lines] > > some > > > > > experience get something different. > I think you stated the logical way to think about this, but the OP is > a TOTAL newbie. He already has his mind made up. I think you've hit the nail on the head. > I cant wait to see the posts next week about those stupid break-in > directions. "Do I really hafta?" > Followed by the ones about why these engines wear out so fast. Bingo.  SignatureL.V.X., brother mouse http://www.mousetrap.net/otr/ Old Time Radio trades http://makeashorterlink.com/?K16312E06 CBS Radio Mystery Theater database http://greyhound.mousetrap.net/altus/ retired racing dog THANKS. > > I think you stated the logical way to think about this, but the OP is > > a TOTAL newbie. He already has his mind made up. [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > > Bingo. I have an Evader truck, I added a better motor and different tires/gears. It has been a while, I forget exactly which motor I got but a google search of this group should turn it up. It is FAST for a new driver and even old drivers. Most people say it is the fastest they have ever seen-granted they don't see a lot of performance RC cars. Plenty fast for you I would bet, I don't need anything faster. --Dan > I just want it to be FAST. > do battery operated cars are as fast as gas ones? [quoted text clipped - 24 lines] > > > > > For the vehicle and all the accessories that are needed? Or just the > > > > > vehicle? That's an electric car, right? That battery charging for just 10-20 minutes of fun will ruin everything. I think I'll go with gas. What do you recommend? Did you have any dissapointments with the time/charging ratio? Gas is just easier to fill... you can go on 'forever' where in batteries you need to buy more batteries to go for just an hour... I don't really know how expensive they are, but.... maybe you guys can help! :) Can you go off road with it? I saw some movies with people taking their cars up in dunes and play in the sand, is it possible? ----- Original Message ----- From: "dg" <dan_gus@hotmail.com> Newsgroups: rec.models.rc.land Sent: Thursday, April 15, 2004 6:37 PM Subject: Re: Newbie Car > I have an Evader truck, I added a better motor and different tires/gears. > It has been a while, I forget exactly which motor I got but a google search [quoted text clipped - 38 lines] > the > > > > > > vehicle? > Gas is just easier to fill... you can go on 'forever' My last bit of advice on this subject......for someone who is totally new to the hobby, buying a nitro vehicle adds an exponential amount of work to get the vehicle up and running and then to have to maintain it so that it performs well, compared to a first vehicle that is electric. The engine isn't like a new automobile. A new car just runs great from the start and goes 50000 miles without doing anything but changing the oil. A nitro RC vehicle needs to be broken in, then tweaked ALOT all the time. Parts rattle off if you haven't properly secured everything, and the speed you attain means that the newbie that you are...you'll be crashing. High speed crashes mean LOTS of broken parts. You asked advice from people who have been thru it. thanks. that's appreciated. Is there any tweaking and work with electric? That's part of the fun.... I guess.. thanks! ----- Original Message ----- From: "127.0.0.1" <kenji@ameritech.net> Newsgroups: rec.models.rc.land Sent: Sunday, April 18, 2004 1:24 AM Subject: Re: Newbie Car > > Gas is just easier to fill... you can go on 'forever' > [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > > You asked advice from people who have been thru it. W/electric there's breaking of parts, and keeping the motor in good shape by cleaning it, changing brushes and cutting the commutator. Depending on the motor you use you would want to do this anywhere from every 5 to 30 runs. Runs being a full battery. If you ever get competitive and race at tracks there's lots of tweaking of the suspension, tire choices, and some folks do alot of battery maintenance. But if you are just bashing you most likely wouldn't do that stuff. > thanks. that's appreciated. > Is there any tweaking and work with electric? That's part of the fun.... I [quoted text clipped - 22 lines] > > > > You asked advice from people who have been thru it. > Is there any tweaking and work with electric? That's part of the fun.... I > guess.. Yup, plenty. You've got all the chassis adjustments regardless of your prime mover (springs, oil, pistons, ride height, camber, caster, toe etc); and while electric's easier to get running than nitro, getting the most out of it requires effort too. You can play with different brush compounds (and cuts, if you like) and brush springs (different each side?), and alter the timing. Even if you run your motors straight out of the box (like I pretty much do), they're still quite touchy on the gearing... For me, car setup is definitely half the fun - enjoy! Jonny > That's an electric car, right? That battery charging for just 10-20 minutes > of fun will ruin everything. Wait until you see the nitro maintenance/fun ratio, then. There Is No Free Lunch in r/c. There is an upside and downside to everything. > recommend? Did you have any dissapointments with the time/charging ratio? No; I keep enough batts on hand for constant running if that's what I want to do. But it's nice to give your model a cooldown every once in a while, though. > Gas is just easier to fill... you can go on 'forever' where in batteries you > need to buy more batteries to go for just an hour... To be fair, you have to buy more fuel, too. Unless you have a magic non-consumable fuel. > I don't really know how > expensive they are, but.... maybe you guys can help! :) The hobby is expensive; it's better to make peace with that now. SignatureL.V.X., brother mouse http://www.mousetrap.net/otr/ Old Time Radio trades http://makeashorterlink.com/?K16312E06 CBS Radio Mystery Theater database http://greyhound.mousetrap.net/altus/ retired racing dog > The hobby is expensive; it's better to make peace with that now. Luckily, or not, it's relative. I've been juggling for many years now, and I still use the props I bought 5 years ago, no maintanance, no nothing. Same 7 balls, same problems.. ;) Thanks! |
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