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Ingo Degenhardt - 06 Aug 2005 11:33 GMT
So here I have my first Xtracrylis....
I plan to use the Extra Dark Sea Grey,White and Satin Varnish on a
Hawker Sea Hawk to check if I might like them.
I have no experiences with acrylics worth to mention.
I would be very grateful for hints and advises regarding the
following:

- thinning ratio for spraying
- special spraying techniques?
- drying times (cans say 15 min) until I can stick masking tape to it.
- 'washes' - can I still use my diluted oil paints on them acrylics?
- can I spray enamels over the acrylics? and v.v.?
- base coat - is it needed or should I spray directly on the plastic?
 (I have the Filler/Primer by AlcladII here, would that be an option
 as a basecoat?)

And anything further someone might think should be adressed in this
matter...

Thank you very much in advance - I do not wish to spoil the paint job
on the SeaHawk...
Ingo
hannes - 06 Aug 2005 14:29 GMT
> So here I have my first Xtracrylis....
> I plan to use the Extra Dark Sea Grey,White and Satin Varnish on a
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> on the SeaHawk...
> Ingo

 I will enclose by Ingo.I try to switch from Thinner based enamels to
Acrylics.Like Ingo, any help is welcome.Braqnd's ,availebility from
Gunze,Pactra etc. Please, help us.Han Krol, Holland
Enzo Matrix - 06 Aug 2005 19:57 GMT
> So here I have my first Xtracrylis....
> I plan to use the Extra Dark Sea Grey,White and Satin Varnish on a
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>
> - thinning ratio for spraying

I don't thin Xtracrylics. I use them direct from the bottle and have never
had any problems with them. The yellows are probably too thin anyway and
require a number of coats to give a solid colour.

> - special spraying techniques?

I tend to spray a very light "mist" coat first. This dries in seconds, after
which I spray another mist coat. After a minute or so I start to build up
the main coat.

> - drying times (cans say 15 min) until I can stick masking tape to it.

I would recommend at least three hours.

> - 'washes' - can I still use my diluted oil paints on them acrylics?

Yes.

> - can I spray enamels over the acrylics? and v.v.?

Enamels seem to spray well over acrylics. However, I find that the reverse
isn't really true as the acrylics tend to "blob". I get around this by
spraying a very light coat of gloss acrylic varnish over the enamel. This
then gives the subsequent acrylic colour an acrylic base to key to.

> - base coat - is it needed or should I spray directly on the plastic?
>   (I have the Filler/Primer by AlcladII here, would that be an option
>   as a basecoat?)

I recommend a primer of some description. Although acrylic paint will cover
bare plastic, I find that it then flakes off at the slightest provocation,
such as when masking tape is applied over it!  I use ordinary cellulose car
primer.

> And anything further someone might think should be adressed in this
> matter...

I am very pleased with Xtracrylics and I now use them almost exclusively for
aircraft models. Almost all of the British colours seem to be good matches -
the only exception I have found is Azure Blue, which seems to be far too
blue. An acceptable replacement is Xtracrylix RLM 78 Hellblau. On the other
hand the Xtracrylix Middle Stone is the only representation of this colour
that I find convincing.

Other colours with which I have problems are RLM 70, 71, 65, 79 and 02.  The
RLM 02 Grau seems to be too light for camouflage exterior use, but is fine
for interior use. The RLM 70 and 71 are very close in contrast, especially
under a coat of varnish and the RLM 65 Hellblau seems to be far too blue.
RLM 79 Sandgelb is so light and yellow as to be unusable.

Luckily, the vast majority of Luftwaffe models that I make are from the late
war period. I find that the Xtracrylix renditions of RLM 74/75/76/81/82/83
give very satisfying results.

My main modelling interest is railway modelling.  I find that Xtracrylix
Dark Earth gives excellent results when used to represent brake dust on the
underframes of rolling stock.

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Serge D. Grun - 06 Aug 2005 20:14 GMT
> - thinning ratio for spraying

Anywhere from 1:2 to 10:1, depending on the effect you want to achieve.
1:1 is a good start.
Some low-cost airbrushes, such as entry-level Badgers, have low flow
nozzles, inadequate for fast drying paints, and need a higher
thinner:paint ratio

> - special spraying techniques?

Low pressure/small distance for gloss/satin.
Keep an old, stiff paintbrush in a cup of water at hand and use it to
clean the nozzle as soon as the paint starts to dry on the needle.

> - drying times (cans say 15 min) until I can stick masking tape to it.

15 min is for dust dry, but 6 to 48 hours for a complete polymerization.
Gloss acrylics need much more time than matt colours.

> - 'washes' - can I still use my diluted oil paints on them acrylics?

Yes

> - can I spray enamels over the acrylics? and v.v.?

Yes, as long as you let the base layer cure completely.

> - base coat - is it needed or should I spray directly on the plastic?

Most acrylics do not need a primer - at least not if you thin them with
alcohol (and if you clean the plastic parts before painting). Some
brands, such as Lifecolor, will clog with alcohol-based thinners - you
have to use distilled water with a drop of dishwashing soap and spray
the first coat on a matt primer.

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Rob van Riel - 06 Aug 2005 23:45 GMT
>> - base coat - is it needed or should I spray directly on the plastic?
>
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> have to use distilled water with a drop of dishwashing soap and spray
> the first coat on a matt primer.

I'm not master of acrylics by any means, but my experience is that
xtracrylics absolutely need primer. I ended up with a totally ruined paint
job with it, even after very through cleaning of the kit before painting.
I figured I'd done something wrong with the paint, so I stripped the kit,
and repainted, again without primer. Same disaster. Stripped the kit
again, shot primer over it, then repainted. Perfect cover. The only
variation was the presence or absence of primer, and boy did it ever make
a difference.

Rob
Ingo Degenhardt - 07 Aug 2005 18:34 GMT
Thank you all very much for your advises!
So I will give Xtracrylics a try when the Sea Hawk is ready for
painting.

Ingo
 
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