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Model Forum / General / Models / August 200558 impalla valve cover color?
im building an older amt kit of a 58 impalla and am wondering what color the stock valve covers should be, i found pics of them being orage and some that are grey, whats the correct color? also, is the stock intake the same color as the orange block or a different color? > im building an older amt kit of a 58 impalla and am wondering what color the > stock valve covers should be, i found pics of them being orage and some that > are grey, whats the correct color? also, is the stock intake the same color > as the orange block or a different color? Shawn, Posted pics of stock 1958 Chevrolet engines for you on alt.binaries.models.scale. Both a 348 cu.in. and a 283 cu.in. MG >> im building an older amt kit of a 58 impalla and am wondering what color > the [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > Both a 348 cu.in. and a 283 cu.in. > MG thanks alot >> im building an older amt kit of a 58 impalla and am wondering what color > the [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > Both a 348 cu.in. and a 283 cu.in. > MG forgot to mention this is a 409, would colors be the same? > >> im building an older amt kit of a 58 impalla and am wondering what color > > the [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > > > forgot to mention this is a 409, would colors be the same? Yes >> >> im building an older amt kit of a 58 impalla and am wondering what > color [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] >> > Yes no pics are showing up there yet >> >> im building an older amt kit of a 58 impalla and am wondering what > color [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] >> > Yes my bad, they are there > >> >> im building an older amt kit of a 58 impalla and am wondering what > > color [quoted text clipped - 17 lines] > > > my bad, they are there Just took a bit.... ;-) >> >> im building an older amt kit of a 58 impalla and am wondering what > color [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] >> > Yes exactly what i needed and more, thanks a ton > exactly what i needed and more, thanks a ton You are most welcome Shawn, glad to help. MG > > forgot to mention this is a 409, would colors be the same? > > > Yes I'll admit I'm no Chevy authority but isn't 1958 a bit early for the 409? Bill Banaszak, MFE > > > forgot to mention this is a 409, would colors be the same? > > > [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > Bill Banaszak, MFE Well Bill, yes according to this site; http://www.musclecarclub.com/musclecars/chevrolet-impala/chevrolet-impala-hi story-1.shtml The 409 was offered in 1961...I copied this information from there; 1958 Chevrolet Bel Air Impala Comments: The Impala began as the top option level on Chevrolet's Bel Air line. Chevrolet's 1958 lineup featured one year only styling that sported "curves where before there were lines." The Impala option added special trim, deluxe interiors, and resulted in the steepest price in the Chevrolet lineup. Performance was important from the begining as the first Impala could be optioned with up to a 348 V8 putting out 315 bhp. The public's positive response lead to Chevrolet making the Impala a separate option for the next year. Production: 2D Hardtop: 43,000 Convertible: Approximately 17,000 Engines: 235.5 I6 145 bhp. 283 V8 185 bhp. 283 V8 230 bhp. 283 V8 250 bhp. 348 V8 250 bhp. 348 V8 280 bhp. 348 V8 315 bhp. 1959 Chevrolet Impala Comments: The Impala became its own model in 1959. As with all 1959 Chevy's, the new Impalas were longer, lower, wider, and more curvy. They also had the wildest tailfins besides Cadillac. The rear end sported "bat wing" rear fenders, "cat's eye" taillamps, and a huge decklid. The drivetrain stayed the same, with some increases in horsepower and sales remained good. Of particular interest to enthusiasts were the availability of fuel injected 283 V8's, although these were rare. Production: Sport Coupe: 182,520 Convertible: 72,765 Engines: 235.5 I6 145 bhp. 283 V8 170 bhp. 283 V8 185 bhp. 283 V8 230 bhp. 283 (fuel injected) V8 250 bhp. 283 (fuel injected) V8 290 bhp. 348 V8 250 bhp. 348 V8 320 bhp. 348 V8 335 bhp. 1960 Chevrolet Impala Comments: The Impala was toned down for 1960 and lost some of their distinct styling and fuel injected engines. Production: Sport Coupe: 204,467 Convertible: 79,903 Engines: 235.5 I6 145 bhp. 283 V8 170 bhp. 283 V8 185 bhp. 283 V8 230 bhp. 348 V8 250 bhp. 348 V8 320 bhp. 348 V8 335 bhp. 1961 Chevrolet Impala SS Comments: 1961 would be the year that the first true muscle car was introduced, the Chevrolet Impala SS. This would also be the year that Chevrolet introduced its 409 cubic inch V8, the engine that would launch the Big Three auto manufacturers into the horsepower race that would last well into the 1970s. The 409 was actually a response to Ford's new 390 cid engine, which was outperforming Chevy's on the dragstrip. Although it put out "only" 360 bhp compared to Ford's top 375 bhp, those extra 19 cid gave it respect on the street and immortalized in song ("She's really fine, my 409"). Chevrolet introduced the Super Sport (SS) option package, which was optional on the 348 and standard with the 409, which would define Chevrolet performance for many years to come. The Super Sport package, a bargin at just $53.80, consisted of special body and interior trim, power steering, power brakes with sintered metallic linings, full wheel covers with a three blade spinner, a passenger grab bar, a console for the floor shift, and a tachometer on the steering column. The 409 engine came only with the four-speed manual transmission and only one factory axle ratio. Lower axle ratios were available from the dealer and owners could see 1/4 mile times in the high 15s, which was pretty impressive in 1961. Unfortunately, the 409 already came with 11.25 compression and a four barrel carburetor, and due to its wedge shaped combustion chambers was not very easy to improve performance further. But no matter. Although only 142 Impala SS 409s were built in 1961 (and most went to good customers that would run them at the local dragstrips), the legend was born and the horsepower race was on. Production: Impala SS: 453 Impala SS w/ 409 V8: 142 Engines: 348 (4 bbl) V8 305 bhp. 348 V8 340 bhp. 348 (3x2 bbl) V8 350 bhp. 409 V8 360 bhp @ 5800 rpm, 409 lb-ft @ 3600 rpm. Performance: 409/360: 0-60 in 7.8 sec. 1/4 mile in 15.8 sec. @ 94.1 mph. 1962 Chevrolet Impala SS Comments: Chevrolet increased production of the 409 and made it available in all full size Chevy's - Biscaynes, Bel Airs, and Impalas. The Impala's were a bit less aerodynamic this year, which made some racers turn to the lighter and slicker Bel Air coupe. The 409 was improved by adding new cylinder heads and a revised camshaft. With the standard 4 bbl carb, the 409 produced 380 bhp. But the real news was the improved top of the line 409 which added a pair of Carter AFB four barrel carbs and a lightweight valve train, and produced an astonishing 409 bhp, or a magical 1 bhp per cid. The 409 legend grew. Production: Impala SS: Approximately 100,000. Impala SS w/ 409 V8: 15,091 Engines: 283 V8 170 bhp. 283 V8 195 bhp. 327 V8 250 bhp. 327 V8 300 bhp. 409 V8 380 bhp. 409 (2x4 bbl) V8 409 bhp. >> > > forgot to mention this is a 409, would colors be the same? >> > > [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > > The 409 was offered in 1961...I copied this information from there; <snip> thanks for the information and the link, should be helpful >> > forgot to mention this is a 409, would colors be the same? >> > [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > Bill Banaszak, MFE I thought so too but the box and instructions refer to it as a 409. The kit can be built as stock, custom or streetrod. I assume the 409 is meant for the streetrod or custom. I wish the kit came with at least a 283 to be poperly stock. I dont think it looks like a 409 anyway. > I thought so too but the box and instructions refer to it as a 409. The kit > can be built as stock, custom or streetrod. I assume the 409 is meant for > the streetrod or custom. I wish the kit came with at least a 283 to be > poperly stock. I dont think it looks like a 409 anyway. Shawn, I've had both real, the 348 and a 409. Outwardly you can not tell the engines apart. The physical dimensions are the same. However the 409 will kick butt and take names! I had a 1960 Chevrolet Impala with the 348 and after it started chewing up flywheels I dropped in a 409 with a turbo 350, Boy would that go then! Yeah, I'll agree with you though, the kit needs a 283 as there were far more with that engine than the 348 or later 409. I have two of those kits and that is what I plan to do. IIRC AMT did that also with the 63 and 64 Impala kits. MG > I thought so too but the box and instructions refer to it as a 409. The kit > can be built as stock, custom or streetrod. I assume the 409 is meant for > the streetrod or custom. I wish the kit came with at least a 283 to be > poperly stock. I dont think it looks like a 409 anyway. I think there's a 283 in the '57 Chevy BelAir kit, if you can find one. It sucks that we have to buy several kits to get what we're looking for in models. Just try buying a Mopar without a Hemi or 440! There are some but it takes some looking. Bill Banaszak, MFE >> I thought so too but the box and instructions refer to it as a 409. The kit >> can be built as stock, custom or streetrod. I assume the 409 is meant for [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > >Bill Banaszak, MFE where do you find a slant six volare? i had a rusty blue 78 i would love to model. > where do you find a slant six volare? i had a rusty blue 78 > i would love to model. The engine can be found in the Lindberg kit of the '64 Dodge 330 sedan. The '78 Volare will be the harder part as they were last made in '78. The only body available was the coupe. The car was updated every year until 1980. It was marketed as the "Fuzz Duster". Sure wish RC/Ertl would find the moulds for that one! Bill Banaszak, MFE >> where do you find a slant six volare? i had a rusty blue 78 >> i would love to model. [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > >Bill Banaszak, MFE so i won't be building one. damn. >>>forgot to mention this is a 409, would colors be the same? >> [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > Bill Banaszak, MFE Nope, neighbor girls bofriend had one in the early 60's, 409 tripower. John sh.t, my error, it HAD to be a 348 w/ 3 dueces. This was around 61/62 and I doubt he changed the engine. My error. John >>>> forgot to mention this is a 409, would colors be the same? >>> [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > Nope, neighbor girls bofriend had one in the early 60's, 409 tripower. > John > sh.t, my error, it HAD to be a 348 w/ 3 dueces. This was around 61/62 and > I doubt he changed the engine. My error. [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] >> Nope, neighbor girls bofriend had one in the early 60's, 409 tripower. >> John 61 was the first year impalas had the 409 and yes even tri power could be added > sh.t, my error, it HAD to be a 348 w/ 3 dueces. This was around 61/62 and > I doubt he changed the engine. My error. [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] >> Nope, neighbor girls bofriend had one in the early 60's, 409 tripower. >> John oops 409 didnt have optional tri power but the 348 did, im sure you could get aftermarket tri power carbs and intake for the 409 though >> sh.t, my error, it HAD to be a 348 w/ 3 dueces. This was around 61/62 and >> I doubt he changed the engine. My error. [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] >oops 409 didnt have optional tri power but the 348 did, im sure you could >get aftermarket tri power carbs and intake for the 409 though or a 2 4 barrel setup like my neighbor. > oops 409 didnt have optional tri power but the 348 did, im sure you could > get aftermarket tri power carbs and intake for the 409 though Shawn, Anything externally on the engines would interchange as they were the same dimension. MG >> oops 409 didnt have optional tri power but the 348 did, im sure you could >> get aftermarket tri power carbs and intake for the 409 though [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > dimension. > MG i learn more everyday How do you access the alt.binaries.models.scale. photos? I put that in my browser but it was unable to find it. I also added the http:// but no luck. Thanks, Dave > im building an older amt kit of a 58 impalla and am wondering what color > the stock valve covers should be, i found pics of them being orage and > some that are grey, whats the correct color? also, is the stock intake the > same color as the orange block or a different color? > How do you access the alt.binaries.models.scale. > photos? I put that in my browser but it was unable to find it. I also [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] >> some that are grey, whats the correct color? also, is the stock intake >> the same color as the orange block or a different color? its not a website dave so your browser wont find it, use your newsreader, look for it the same way as brought you here. > How do you access the alt.binaries.models.scale. > photos? I put that in my browser but it was unable to find it. I also [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] >> some that are grey, whats the correct color? also, is the stock intake >> the same color as the orange block or a different color? also, look for alt.binaries.models.scale without (.photos) on the end, binaries simply means that you can post things becides just words like in a plain text group such as this > How do you access the alt.binaries.models.scale. > photos? I put that in my browser but it was unable to find it. I also > added the http:// but no luck. > Thanks, > Dave Dave, Not a web site. Put this in your newsreader filter; alt.binaries.models.scale It'll take you right to the group. MG Thanks for the help, I subasribed to the newsgroup and found the photos. > How do you access the alt.binaries.models.scale. > photos? I put that in my browser but it was unable to find it. I also [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] >> some that are grey, whats the correct color? also, is the stock intake >> the same color as the orange block or a different color? > im building an older amt kit of a 58 impalla and am wondering what > color the stock valve covers should be, i found pics of them being > orage and some that are grey, whats the correct color? also, is the > stock intake the same color as the orange block or a different color? Or you could make it look quite real by using liberal amounts of greasy black on the valve covers, manifold and top of the block. I knew a couple of guys that had them and that's what their engines looked like! > Or you could make it look quite real by using liberal amounts of greasy > black on the valve covers, manifold and top of the block. I knew a > couple of guys that had them and that's what their engines looked like! I did that to one....I'll post pics on a.b.m.s of it. MG |
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