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Steve Collins - 04 Sep 2005 21:05 GMT Guys, Is it just me or does anyone else here simply _hate_ the 'netisms' that people use when writing these days. Does everybody currently always laugh out loud, when a small chuckle is probably more appropriate? Did everyone forget how to spell 'you' or 'your'? Has the world evolved into such a high-speed place that everyone must use 'commonly-accepted' abbreviations when it takes a couple of deciseconds to type out the whole word? Perhaps my signature line is more applicable than I'd previously thought. Steve
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Bill Woodier - 04 Sep 2005 21:22 GMT I'm with you.
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> Guys, > Is it just me or does anyone else here simply _hate_ the 'netisms' that [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > previously thought. > Steve Greg Heilers - 04 Sep 2005 21:48 GMT > Guys, > Is it just me or does anyone else here simply _hate_ the 'netisms' that [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > previously thought. > Steve Well...some of the "netisms" in my opinion, are needed. Things such as "lol", or "lmao" can be useful, in stressing that what you typed was meant in good humor. Laughing out loud ("lol") probably does the job better than laughing with a modest little chuckle ("lwamlc").
:o) But, what *is* intolerable, is the ghetto-ish slang thing of using "u" for "you", "4" instead of "for", etc. And there is absolutely *no* valid reason for "TyPiNg 1ik3 tHiS"; and that should be *not* be tolerated at all.
And to those who *still* have not figured it out:
"conversate" is *not* a word!...lol.
And no, we do *not* have to accept these "commonly-accepted" abbreviations. I am sure I myself have a nasty reputation, among many people, of acting like their least favorite English teacher, as I *constantly* return emails to them, asking for grammatical corrections before I will reply in the way they desire.
:o)
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Rory Manton - 05 Sep 2005 06:27 GMT >> Guys, >> Is it just me or does anyone else here simply _hate_ the 'netisms' that >> people use when writing these days. <snip>
> And no, we do *not* have to accept these "commonly-accepted" abbreviations. > I am sure I myself have a nasty reputation, among many people, of acting [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > :o) I would do that as well but as I can neather spell or do I have a good enough grasp of grammer it would be like the blind leading the blind.
On a related topic,as a Brit, I hate the creeping "Americanisation" (sorry guys)of the language over here as used by children, elivator instead of lift, trash can instead of rubbish bin and such like. Petty I know but it realy hacks me off.
And the common acceptance that words that start with "th" can be pronounced with a "f". One,two, free ,four.
Rant off.
Richard Brooks - 05 Sep 2005 08:46 GMT >>>Guys, >>>Is it just me or does anyone else here simply _hate_ the 'netisms' that [quoted text clipped - 22 lines] > > Rant off. Glottal stops! There are two t's and no w's in 'bottle' so that means we should say "bottle" and not "bo'aw".
As to Usenet, subject changes without changing the subject line. That may the fault of the various providers who don't really care or put up a page that reads something like the download agreements, as in "I have read at least a little bit of the Usenet Guidelines and would like to converse with the very nice people out there."
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Mad-Modeller - 06 Sep 2005 05:31 GMT > Glottal stops! There are two t's and no w's in 'bottle' so that means > we should say "bottle" and not "bo'aw". One of my favourite lines in the show 'Solo' was Felicity Kendall's character shaking hands with the pre-pubescent boy who says to her, "You've got li'le ones"!
Bill Banaszak, MFE
Richard Brooks - 06 Sep 2005 09:07 GMT >>Glottal stops! There are two t's and no w's in 'bottle' so that means >>we should say "bottle" and not "bo'aw". [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > Bill Banaszak, MFE Oh god I'm drifting in.....
Felicity Kendall is sweetly pretty and as a feminist I'd like to protect her!
Sorry!
Richard.
RobG - 06 Sep 2005 10:27 GMT > Felicity Kendall is sweetly pretty and as a feminist I'd like to protect > her! > > Richard. mmmmm Felicity Kendall....
RobG
Jimi - 06 Sep 2005 12:21 GMT > mmmmm Felicity Kendall.... Especially when she's pouring gravy over her no-bra chest in The Good Life. Yummy!
Jimi
Richard Brooks - 06 Sep 2005 16:05 GMT >>Felicity Kendall is sweetly pretty and as a feminist I'd like to protect >>her! [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > RobG At least you didn't fall for the Young Ones skit. The normal reply is "It's the first time I've heard it call THAT before!"
She scrubs up very nice and one memorable moment was when she turned up at the end on the French & Saunders series to get back at them, all dressed up in tight black sparkly dress, black stockings and little black high heels.
She still looked cute in the spoof 'hidden camera' sketch on the same series of her dressed in loose shabby clothes in a darkened room watching tv, drinking beer out of a can then throwing the can on the floor, burping and lifting one arse-cheek to break wind.
Richard.
Greg Heilers - 05 Sep 2005 15:39 GMT >>> Guys, >>> Is it just me or does anyone else here simply _hate_ the 'netisms' that [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] > lift, trash can instead of rubbish bin and such like. Petty I know but it > realy hacks me off. That's interesting. I wonder why words for such mundane things, like those objects, are being affected? It can't be all "pop culture"; as it's not as if top popular songs are being written about "elevators" or "trash cans".
> And the common acceptance that words that start with "th" can be > pronounced with a "f". One,two, free ,four. > > Rant off.
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Rory Manton - 05 Sep 2005 18:53 GMT <snip>
>> On a related topic,as a Brit, I hate the creeping "Americanisation" (sorry >> guys)of the language over here as used by children, elivator instead of [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > objects, are being affected? It can't be all "pop culture"; as it's not as > if top popular songs are being written about "elevators" or "trash cans". I think it's to do with the increase of of Sky tv and the crap that 's on the childrens channels, which is why I ave stopped my mob from watching the stuff.
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Greg Heilers - 05 Sep 2005 19:17 GMT > <snip> >>> On a related topic,as a Brit, I hate the creeping "Americanisation" [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > on the childrens channels, which is why I ave stopped my mob from watching > the stuff. Whatever happened to the good ol' days, of "Captain Kangaroo"?
He RULED!!!
:o)
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rwsmithjr@rcn.com - 05 Sep 2005 23:15 GMT > Whatever happened to the good ol' days, of "Captain Kangaroo"? > > He RULED!!! Along with Mitch Miller, ROmper Room and the original Wonderama when it came from TV Hill in Baltimore.
Wildcat - 06 Sep 2005 00:35 GMT A bit of worthless history ---- my wife was the "Do Bee"
>> Whatever happened to the good ol' days, of "Captain Kangaroo"? >> >> He RULED!!! > > Along with Mitch Miller, ROmper Room and the original Wonderama when it > came from TV Hill in Baltimore. Greg Heilers - 06 Sep 2005 01:11 GMT > A bit of worthless history ---- my wife was the "Do Bee" > [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] >> Along with Mitch Miller, ROmper Room and the original Wonderama when it >> came from TV Hill in Baltimore. Actually....weren't there a *lot* of "Do Bees"? Like "Bozo The Clown", didn't each big city have their own "Romper Room"? Wasn't it like a franchise? I remember, as a little kid, we had "Romper Room" in Huntsville, AL....and running at the same time, as picked up on a Nashville, TN channel, was *another* "Romper Room", with a different "hostess".
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Wildcat - 06 Sep 2005 01:27 GMT Not absolutely certain, but I think she was the "original" one.
>> A bit of worthless history ---- my wife was the "Do Bee" >> [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > Nashville, TN channel, was *another* "Romper Room", with a different > "hostess". Greg Heilers - 06 Sep 2005 01:45 GMT > Not absolutely certain, but I think she was the "original" one. Quite possible...as now that I think about it, stuff like the "Do Bee and Don't Bee" things, were more than likely filmed/taped in a central location, then distributed out to all the local "Romper Rooms". (with each local show having its own hostess, and own kids...but all showing the same "shorts").
>>> A bit of worthless history ---- my wife was the "Do Bee" >>> [quoted text clipped - 22 lines] >> -- Homer Simpson >> There's No Disgrace Like Home
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Mad-Modeller - 06 Sep 2005 05:25 GMT I'm sure she's thrilled now that all of us old men know how old she is.
Hey, how about Sally Starr?
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WmB - 06 Sep 2005 07:13 GMT > Not absolutely certain, but I think she was the "original" one. > >>> A bit of worthless history ---- my wife was the "Do Bee" Do Bee One... I need you. ;-)
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rwsmithjr@rcn.com - 06 Sep 2005 04:43 GMT > Actually....weren't there a *lot* of "Do Bees"? Like "Bozo The Clown", > didn't each big city have their own "Romper Room"? Wasn't it like a > franchise? I remember, as a little kid, we had "Romper Room" in > Huntsville, AL....and running at the same time, as picked up on a > Nashville, TN channel, was *another* "Romper Room", with a different > "hostess". The original Romper Room was out of Baltimore.
rwsmithjr@rcn.com - 06 Sep 2005 04:37 GMT > A bit of worthless history ---- my wife was the "Do Bee" OMG, I remember that character in a vague CRS kinda way.
>>>Whatever happened to the good ol' days, of "Captain Kangaroo"? >>> >>>He RULED!!! >> >>Along with Mitch Miller, ROmper Room and the original Wonderama when it >>came from TV Hill in Baltimore. Arcusinoz - 09 Sep 2005 11:10 GMT Captain kangaroo made his way back to a Australia.........safer and and a bit quieter.
Ken Duffey - 09 Sep 2005 16:59 GMT I remember being in English class at school - when I was about 8 years old.
I put my hand up - and asked the teacher - 'Please can I go to the toilet' ??
He replied 'You may - I don't know if you can'!
I sat there for a while - nearly peeing myself, not knowing whether I had permission or not...
I never forgot the English lesson though............
Ken
Mad-Modeller - 10 Sep 2005 04:54 GMT > I remember being in English class at school - when I was about 8 years old. > [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > > Ken Nothing like a little discomfort to reinforce the lesson. I hope you made it. :) I picked up a lesson once off a TV show that involved 'imply' and 'infer'. The character stated something like, "I may imply but it's up to you to infer." Suddenly the distinction looked quite clear. I don't remember the show but the actor was one Robert Mandan.
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Kurt Laughlin - 10 Sep 2005 04:35 GMT > I picked up a lesson once off a TV show that involved 'imply' and > 'infer'. The character stated something like, "I may imply but it's up > to you to infer." Suddenly the distinction looked quite clear. > I don't remember the show but the actor was one Robert Mandan. Also: "I imply - you infer." by Lisa Simpson.
KL
Gordon McLaughlin - 05 Sep 2005 20:47 GMT Rory,
I agree entirely. The increasing tendency to pronounce "th" as "f" is probably the result of the popularity of Cockney TV shows like Eastenders and Only Fools and Horses. As a Northerner, I really dislike the spread of this kind of "Mockney" culture to the country as a whole. I've no quarrel with local accents but I'd like them to remain in their local areas. Our local regional accent is fine up here but I see no reason why other people should start using it or have to hear it all the time on TV.
I can see your point about Americanisms but it seems to me that their spread amongst young people is largely inevitable. They hear them so much on TV and in films that they regard them as normal, everyday usage. As long as we have so much exposure to American popular culture in all forms, we will see continued Americanisation of the language. Some of my students know more about American cultural and political institutions and traditions than they do about our own.
This doesn't mean that I think American culture, popular or otherwise, is somehow worse than ours. I enjoy a lot of it but, as an adult, I can separate it from the home grown equivalent. I just don't want to see it absorbed by our children to the point that it swamps and kills off our own culture and language. The two should thrive as separate expressions of the cultures of the two different countries.
I must also agree with an earlier posting from Bill Banaszak when he said that he hates to see the language misused through a lack of understanding of its structure and usage. I teach English as one of my subjects and I sometimes despair at my students' indifference to language.
I will make a final point, though. We all joined this newsgroup because we make models as a hobby. It's one of the most valuable resources on the Internet and I wouldn't be without it. It would be a real shame if anyone were to be deterred from posting to the group because he feared that his grammar, spelling or punctuation would be criticised. Grammar isn't everyone's strong point and I'd rather people made full use of the group than that they worried about their linguistic skills.
With best wishes to everyone,
Gordon McLaughlin
> >> Guys, > >> Is it just me or does anyone else here simply _hate_ the 'netisms' that [quoted text clipped - 21 lines] > > Rant off. Greg Heilers - 05 Sep 2005 21:53 GMT > I will make a final point, though. We all joined this newsgroup because > we [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > > Gordon McLaughlin We don't expect people to write on the "advanced university degree" level; but I do not think it is too much to ask, for people to use the grammatical skills that we were all taught in public school. Seeing as most people in the civilized world, receive up to 12 years of public education, with the taxpayers picking up the bill....it seems to be an insult to those taxpayers, to not exercise the skills *they* paid for.
:o) But, I think *most* cases of "poor grammar" are due to sheer laziness, and/or lack of respect, on the part of the person doing the posting.
And agreeing with your point that forums such as these, are wonderful resources to use in conjunction with our hobby; it only seems logical, as well as courteous, to converse in as *proper* a way, as possible.
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Rory Manton - 05 Sep 2005 21:59 GMT
> I will make a final point, though. We all joined this newsgroup because we > make models as a hobby. It's one of the most valuable resources on the [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > > Gordon McLaughlin I, as you may have noticed, am not that good at spelling but I do try to type correctly and I will never be put off posting by somebody critisising my spelling abilities. The funny thing is it is the shorter , more common words I have dificulty with ie few,fue ,was, were and it depends on how annoyed I am when I type.
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rwsmithjr@rcn.com - 05 Sep 2005 23:20 GMT > I will make a final point, though. We all joined this newsgroup because we > make models as a hobby. It's one of the most valuable resources on the [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > everyone's strong point and I'd rather people made full use of the group > than that they worried about their linguistic skills. So long as u, ur, ne, ne1, 4 and 8 are not used to replace the words you, your/you're, any, anyone, for, ate (in the latter case also not used to "spell" the phonetic equivalents in the middle of words); I don't mind a bit of off spelling or grammar. Typos can also be funny.
frank - 06 Sep 2005 02:37 GMT Among the things that irritate me that aren't mentioned. What's the deal with confusing question marks & exclamation points? Not to mention totally disregarding a question mark at the end of a sentence that is clearly a question. I get SPAM from an industry related ad firm that I haven't responded to. There first sentence is "We've been trying to reach you?" They expect me to respond to someone who doesn't know they've been trying to reach me? It'd also be nice when writers use titles to use quotation marks or underline so the reader's clear on exactly what the title is. As for the "box's" comment, I asked an eBay seller just the question, "The box's what?" Totally over their head. And how about "repo" instead of "repro"? I usually want to know if it's really legal since it's a "repo" part. :) What about not using past tense? "Box is open, still seal in bag". I expect them to say something like "ug" in their next sentence. More & more I read & hear, "Is there any questions?", "Here's three.", or similar. Why are people afraid to use the word "are"? :)
Kurt Laughlin - 06 Sep 2005 03:07 GMT Out in the real world, did you ever notice the proliferation of quotation marks? I've seen "24-hour towing" and "Registered Plumber" painted on trucks, and often wondered if they really meant "We're available 24 hours a day (in a manner of speaking)" or "Yes, I have one of those so-called 'registrations'."
KL
> Among the things that irritate me that aren't mentioned. What's the > deal with confusing question marks & exclamation points? Not to mention [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > any questions?", "Here's three.", or similar. Why are people afraid to > use the word "are"? :) frank - 06 Sep 2005 14:11 GMT And what's so confusing about Roman numerals? All over eBay there are Mirage 111, Type V11 U-boats & Fokker E. 111s & D. V11s! Not to mention that horrendous WW11 ! Is there something wrong with typing "I"?
Kurt Laughlin - 06 Sep 2005 16:01 GMT > And what's so confusing about Roman numerals? All over eBay there are > Mirage 111, Type V11 U-boats & Fokker E. 111s & D. V11s! Not to mention > that horrendous WW11 ! Is there something wrong with typing "I"? And the inevitable response of the lazy/ignorant is: "But you know what I mean!"
True, but my computer's search engine doesn't.
KL
Ken Duffey - 06 Sep 2005 16:46 GMT This is turning into a 'Grumpy Old Men' thread - great stuff !!!!
Can I have a go - and raise the temperature a little ????
What is it with you Americans and 'you do the math' ????
Surely it's an abreviation of 'mathematics' - plural.
So it should be 'you do the maths' - no ??
Dons flak jacket and waits for the incoming.........
Ken
PS - Speaking of the English language - and we are aren't we? - has anyone got the complete text of the classic Three Stooges(?) routine 'Who is one first base'?
PPS - Can anyone think of a sentence containing the word 'and' five consecutive times using correct grammar?
>>And what's so confusing about Roman numerals? All over eBay there are >>Mirage 111, Type V11 U-boats & Fokker E. 111s & D. V11s! Not to mention [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > > KL The Laws - 06 Sep 2005 18:02 GMT > This is turning into a 'Grumpy Old Men' thread - great stuff !!!! > PS - Speaking of the English language - and we are aren't we? - has anyone > got the complete text of the classic Three Stooges(?) routine 'Who is one > first base'? I thought this routine was first done by Abbot and Costello. Pete
rwsmithjr@rcn.com - 06 Sep 2005 18:16 GMT > PS - Speaking of the English language - and we are aren't we? - has > anyone got the complete text of the classic Three Stooges(?) routine > 'Who is one first base'? That would be Abbott and Costello.....
TMB - 06 Sep 2005 18:20 GMT On 9/6/05 10:46 , in article dfkdkq$qh4$1@newsg4.svr.pol.co.uk, "Ken Duffey" wrote:
> PS - Speaking of the English language - and we are aren't we? - has > anyone got the complete text of the classic Three Stooges(?) routine > 'Who is one first base'? http://www.baseball-almanac.com/humor4.shtml
TMB
frank - 06 Sep 2005 19:55 GMT Hmm, OTOH, it isn't singular, "mathematic".
Al Superczynski - 06 Sep 2005 23:19 GMT >Can anyone think of a sentence containing the word 'and' five >consecutive times using correct grammar? ""I want to put a hyphen between the words Fish and And and And and Chips in my Fish-And-Chips sign."
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Doug Wagner - 08 Sep 2005 23:52 GMT > >Can anyone think of a sentence containing the word 'and' five > >consecutive times using correct grammar? > > ""I want to put a hyphen between the words Fish and And and And > and Chips in my Fish-And-Chips sign." I think it was in the 7th grade that we had an English test that simply consisted of diagramming a single sentence... "That that that that that boy wrote was wrong." I think I flunked.
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Steve Collins - 07 Sep 2005 02:36 GMT Well, I actually am a grumpy old man, so I qualify. Not as old as some here, though, eh, Al? Steve
> This is turning into a 'Grumpy Old Men' thread - great stuff !!!! > [quoted text clipped - 27 lines] > > > > KL
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Al Superczynski - 07 Sep 2005 10:26 GMT >Not as old as some here, though, eh, Al? Hmph. I'm still young at heart, though... ;-p
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-ex- - 07 Sep 2005 02:47 GMT > This is turning into a 'Grumpy Old Men' thread - great stuff !!!! > [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > > Ken Gawd, I hate it when people end a statement with "- no ??"
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Moi - 07 Sep 2005 10:04 GMT >> So it should be 'you do the maths' - no ?? >> [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > > -Bill How about "n'est pas?"
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frank - 06 Sep 2005 19:56 GMT Another comes to mind. Why do people put the $ AFTER the numbers? You know, 25$.
Kurt Laughlin - 06 Sep 2005 20:09 GMT > Another comes to mind. Why do people put the $ AFTER the numbers? You > know, 25$. Probable explanation: They start typing then realize that the symbol needs to come first, so rather than going back they just add it at the end. Because all rules are null and void on the Internet, it's OK - "You know what I meant!" After all, creative geniuses shouldn't be hobbled by structure and conformity and it would be a crime against humanity to deprive the World of that Ebay listing for the time it would take to make the correction . . .
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frank - 06 Sep 2005 21:56 GMT Yeah, just plain lazy & don't care. I try to proofread my stuff before I send, because I don't want people thinking what an ignorant person I must be. I often wonder if people talk the way they really write. I had an English teacher in high school tell me that "we write like we speak". If it's so, there sure are a lot of cavemen talkers out there! Uh, oh, here comes the Geico commercial! :)
Mad-Modeller - 07 Sep 2005 03:43 GMT > Yeah, just plain lazy & don't care. I try to proofread my stuff before > I send, because I don't want people thinking what an ignorant person I > must be. I often wonder if people talk the way they really write. I had > an English teacher in high school tell me that "we write like we > speak". If it's so, there sure are a lot of cavemen talkers out there! > Uh, oh, here comes the Geico commercial! :) Fortunately (or not) I write much better than I talk. I think my English teachers would be astounded to know I've turned into such a punctilious writer. I've known a few men for whom grunts are very much their entire vocabulary. They showed no outward signs of Neanderthalism though.
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Arcusinoz - 09 Sep 2005 12:35 GMT Usually because when they were young it would have only cost 25 Cents......the omg its 25 $ is a reaction....................lol
MJ Rudy - 06 Sep 2005 23:51 GMT >Another comes to mind. Why do people put the $ AFTER the numbers? You >know, 25$. The one that always cracks me up is the use of the decimal point AND the cent sign or word "cents," e.g. ".50 cents." I always feel like chopping a penny in half and throwing it at them...
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frank - 07 Sep 2005 01:29 GMT I nearly got a negative feedback at eBay once because the dipstick seller said to pay .07% sales tax, which I did. He insisted he meant 7%. I told him that's what he should have written & if he insisted I pay the 7%, I'd report him to eBay. Using his logic, he could have meant 70%.
Richard Brooks - 06 Sep 2005 09:09 GMT > Among the things that irritate me that aren't mentioned. What's the > deal with confusing question marks & exclamation points? Not to mention [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > any questions?", "Here's three.", or similar. Why are people afraid to > use the word "are"? :) Paragraphs can be your friend! ;-)
Richard.
Mike G. - 06 Sep 2005 02:13 GMT > Rory, > [quoted text clipped - 37 lines] > > Gordon McLaughlin Gordon, I'm from America and I agree with you. The kids do not need to lose their own culture and language. For example....some families say from Mexico...the kids grow up not even being able to speak their native tongue. And they know nothing of their Mexican heritage, that is a shame. Now that being said...I also feel that people should have to learn the language spoken here! If I were to go to some foreign country, it would be expected of me to learn how to converse with the population there!
Mike
Steve Collins - 06 Sep 2005 10:55 GMT Gordon, I agree entirely with your last paragraph. Wasn't my point to slam anyone for bad grammar or spelling. It's the laziness I abhor. Well, that plus the overusage of some of the netisms. If some people laughed aloud as frequently as they typed 'lol,' they'd probably be locked away as what you English call 'barmy.' Steve
> Rory, > [quoted text clipped - 70 lines] > > > > Rant off.
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Steve Collins - 06 Sep 2005 10:51 GMT I'm just glad we don't try to enforce the "Queen's English" over here. _That_ would be a full time job. Steve
> >> Guys, > >> Is it just me or does anyone else here simply _hate_ the 'netisms' that [quoted text clipped - 21 lines] > > Rant off.
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Wildcat - 04 Sep 2005 22:27 GMT I would just be happy if people would take the few extra micro-seconds required to capitalize appropriate words.
> Guys, > Is it just me or does anyone else here simply _hate_ the 'netisms' that [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > previously thought. > Steve Mad-Modeller - 04 Sep 2005 23:33 GMT I hope you're not upset by 'IIRC', 'AFAIK' or 'ISTR'. I use them frequently myself. I've been building models since 1957 and I almost have to use 'IIRC' a lot. Sometimes I'm wrong in my recalls. That's what comes of being an MFE with CRS. Then again, I do avoid the cutsey stuff as I'm with you on finding it irritating. We already have enough people who can't spell correctly without implanting in their minds that 4=for or 8=ate. Sometimes for a cheap laugh I'll read someone's post exactly as it's typed. Anywhere on the 'net you'll find folks who type stuff just as crazy as the gibberish spammers put up to thwart filters. In most cases they meant something else. (Sigh!)
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Jack Bohn - 05 Sep 2005 02:39 GMT >I hope you're not upset by 'IIRC', 'AFAIK' or 'ISTR'. Noting that even the ancients got tired of the writing and the bandwidth used by "id est" and "exampla gratia," and gave us "i.e." and "e.g.", I can see a case for the more common abbreviations.
As for my pet peeve...
Your/you're, Their/they're, Whose/who's, Its/it's, His/He's... Ach! Ve knew vone vould crack! Und "he" gives us the key to the rest! The posessive pronoun is a simple word, the apostrophe is for the contraction of the verb is/are. Learn it, love it, live it.
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Mad-Modeller - 05 Sep 2005 06:36 GMT
> As for my pet peeve... > [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > -- > -Jack Ja wohl! Seriously, those bug me too but I get the feeling of sweeping back the ocean with a broom when I mention those. I occasionally get the smarty-pants feeling that I'd like to ask someone, "Their what?" when I see 'box's'. It's heck knowing how language is supposed to look to make sense.
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Steve Collins - 06 Sep 2005 10:49 GMT Part of my job is to proof other's documents. I despair for the written word, truly I do. I'm just glad I've got plenty of red ink. Steve
> > As for my pet peeve... > > [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] > > Bill Banaszak, MFE
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Al Superczynski - 06 Sep 2005 10:56 GMT >Part of my job is to proof other's documents. I despair for the written >word, truly I do. I'm just glad I've got plenty of red ink. " Others' "... ;)
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Steve Collins - 07 Sep 2005 02:34 GMT Damn! Thanks, Al. That's what I get for doing that at 2:45 AM. Steve
> >Part of my job is to proof other's documents. I despair for the written > >word, truly I do. I'm just glad I've got plenty of red ink. [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > "Build what YOU like, the way YOU want to, > and the critics will flame you every time."
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Mad-Modeller - 07 Sep 2005 03:46 GMT > Damn! Thanks, Al. That's what I get for doing that at 2:45 AM. > Steve [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > > "Build what YOU like, the way YOU want to, > > and the critics will flame you every time." Beg pardon, Steve, but I must LOL!
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Steve Collins - 07 Sep 2005 06:30 GMT 'S OK, Bill, so did I. And it just _had_ to be Al, didn't it?
> > Damn! Thanks, Al. That's what I get for doing that at 2:45 AM. > > Steve [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] > > Bill Banaszak, MFE
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Al Superczynski - 07 Sep 2005 10:24 GMT >...it just _had_ to be Al, didn't it? Hey! You asked for it! ;-)
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Al Superczynski - 07 Sep 2005 10:29 GMT >Damn! Thanks, Al. You're welcome. <chuckle>
>That's what I get for doing that at 2:45 AM. Don't fret - you just haven't _seen_ my early-hour blunders on other newsgroups, mailing lists, etc... ;-p
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Arcusinoz - 09 Sep 2005 11:30 GMT Surely the english language is in a state of growth and flux constantly.......if not it will die and become like Latin.........usefull at times but useless on a daily basis.The spoken English of a cockney is totally unintelligible to a person who comes from Oxford. Australians and New Zealanders have a similar problem. The written word will also evolve to represent all the current changes in technology and the changes in usage of those words.............hopefully it will also iron out the totally stupid interpretations of english where the phonectics used in a word ..when used in another word are not pronounced the same.WTG 4glish 2b Bttr 4evr
Ken Duffey - 05 Sep 2005 17:08 GMT > I hope you're not upset by 'IIRC', 'AFAIK' or 'ISTR'. I use them > frequently myself. I've been building models since 1957 and I almost [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > typed. > Bill Banaszak, MFE I always smile at the car bumper sticker - "I heart New York" - what's that all about ??
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Greg Heilers - 05 Sep 2005 19:16 GMT >> I hope you're not upset by 'IIRC', 'AFAIK' or 'ISTR'. I use them >> frequently myself. I've been building models since 1957 and I almost [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > > Ken My favorite bumper sticker of that genre:
"I (heart) my cat. I (spaid) my dog."
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Mad-Modeller - 06 Sep 2005 05:39 GMT > > I hope you're not upset by 'IIRC', 'AFAIK' or 'ISTR'. I use them > > frequently myself. I've been building models since 1957 and I almost [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > > Ken Beats me but at one point that slogan appeared on railroad boxcars (goods vans?) from the former D&H RR back in the late '70s. In that case they were expressing appreciation for New York state taxpayers picking up the tab for those cars/waggons.
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Steve Collins - 06 Sep 2005 10:47 GMT I'm not terribly upset by any of the abbreviations. It's just the constant usage that gets me. Someone makes a small (very small) joke, followed by ...lol. They've either got a very easy sense of humor or they can't type <chuckle>. I agree that some of the abbreviations are even helpful. For instance, the ones you listed. I've used them on occasion myself. I've even used YMMV. Though it _never_ means what it stands for. But I digress. It's the lazy children who persist in using text message shortcuts in written communications that really gripes my a.s. I guess it comes from them growing up using their thumbs instead of their minds for entertainment. Steve
> I hope you're not upset by 'IIRC', 'AFAIK' or 'ISTR'. I use them > frequently myself. I've been building models since 1957 and I almost [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > > Bill Banaszak, MFE
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