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(ARM) Cold War Olive Drab?

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Francis X. Kranick, Jr. - 17 Oct 2005 19:07 GMT
    I'm ready to put paint to my Italeri M47 and wondered about the colors,
post-WWII.  I'm tempted to use the A/N-whatever Model Master offers but
wondered if things got more standarized by the early '50's.
    And no, I won't be using 'battleship grey', a la Colonel Hessler in
"Battle of the Bulge" - I've another kit set aside for just that
purpose.  ;-)

Frank Kranick
rwsmithjr@rcn.com - 17 Oct 2005 19:29 GMT
>     I'm ready to put paint to my Italeri M47 and wondered about the
> colors, post-WWII.  I'm tempted to use the A/N-whatever Model Master
> offers but wondered if things got more standarized by the early '50's.
>     And no, I won't be using 'battleship grey', a la Colonel Hessler in
> "Battle of the Bulge" - I've another kit set aside for just that
> purpose.  ;-)

You've picked a time when clors were starting to shift into their first
iteration of the FS-595 series but weren't there yet. It was common for
unit commanders to have some gloss black mixed into the OD for tanks
because the darker and glossier paint looked better on parade grounds.
William H. Shuey - 17 Oct 2005 21:34 GMT
>    And no, I won't be using 'battleship grey', a la Colonel Hessler in
> "Battle of the Bulge" - I've another kit set aside for just that
> purpose.  ;-)

Aaaahhh Yes! Anybody got a tape of "Panzer Leid"?
Great music to build models by!

                    Bill Shuey
Old Timer - 17 Oct 2005 22:41 GMT
> Aaaahhh Yes! Anybody got a tape of "Panzer Leid"?
> Great music to build models by!

German Army Chorus Marches, vol. 1. I recently saw a copy on DVD at the
local Media Play.
rwsmithjr@rcn.com - 18 Oct 2005 03:43 GMT
> Aaaahhh Yes! Anybody got a tape of "Panzer Leid"?
> Great music to build models by!

You sure that wasn't the Horst Wessel song?
Jim - 18 Oct 2005 03:53 GMT
What?  You don't have it memorized?  Bill, you're slipping.  Granted, I have
no idea what in the hell they are saying, but it did make unloading trucks
at a previous job go a touch faster.

>>    And no, I won't be using 'battleship grey', a la Colonel Hessler in
>> "Battle of the Bulge" - I've another kit set aside for just that
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>
> Bill Shuey
me-me - 18 Oct 2005 09:50 GMT
> What?  You don't have it memorized?  Bill, you're slipping.  Granted,
> I have no idea what in the hell they are saying, but it did make
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>>
>> Bill Shuey

If you provide me with the lyrics, I could translate it for you,
Panzer Lied, Horst Wessel Lied, Russland Lied you name'em.

Cheers, Dennis
AMPSOne@aol.com - 19 Oct 2005 00:39 GMT
The lyrics are really pretty lame -- sounds more like the motto of the
US Post Office than a stirring battle song.

As for the OD question, FS34087 is fairly close, but many of the
vehicles were gloss (e.g. FS14087) so that may be a bit of a problem.

As one of my friends who was in "F Troop" (Company F, 40th Armored,
Berlin Brigade) once noted it takes seven cans of Johnsons' J-Wax to do
an M60A1.

Cookie Sewell
Al Superczynski - 19 Oct 2005 02:32 GMT
>As one of my friends who was in "F Troop" (Company F, 40th Armored,
>Berlin Brigade) once noted it takes seven cans of Johnsons' J-Wax to do
>an M60A1.

    Heh.  At least we didn't paint white sidewalls on our tanks'
tires...     ;-p
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Mad-Modeller - 19 Oct 2005 03:56 GMT
> The lyrics are really pretty lame -- sounds more like the motto of the
> US Post Office than a stirring battle song.
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>
> Cookie Sewell

I used to know a guy who built models and he lost at a model contest
because his equipment was high gloss.  He was building examples of the
stuff they used in Berlin and the judges thought the pieces were
'wrong'.
Good to have confirmation on that since the same guy borrowed my
airbrush 20 years ago and left town with it. ;]

Bill Banaszak, MFE
Gerald Owens - 19 Oct 2005 08:09 GMT
Steve Zaloga wrote in an article for Military Modelling that Tamiya's
Olive Drab acrylic is a spot on match for the US Army's color card
issued to WW2 paint manufacturers for No. 9 OD (he suggests you lighten
it a bit with German Dark Yellow for scale effect). I know, I know,
you're talking Cold War era, but Zaloga further reported that the color
standard for Olive Drab went virtually unchanged from World War One
through its discontinuation in 1974--the paint codes changed, but the
paint didn't.
However, starting in the early postwar period, semi-gloss paints
supplanted the flat enamels, and these "read" darker to the eye. And as
another poster noted, unit commanders in the 1950's liked the look of
OD mixed with black, so the tanks were often very dark indeed, a
practice that apparently remained commonplace until the four-color
MERDC schemes were introduced in 1974 (the color of an M60A1 I
photographed at Fort Carson, Colorado in 1975 was so dark, it looked
like Luftwaffe Schwarzgrun).
AN613 and No. 41 Olive Drab were Air Force colors, so steer clear of
those.
What about FS34087? Well, the color in the current model paint lines
lines is based on a color chip that appeared in the FS-595 book in
starting in 1967 which replaced the original dark Olive Drab chip with
the same number. The new version was warmer, lighter and more brown--it
was matched to the paint issued for Army helicopters starting in 1965.
So the Testors Model Master and Humbrol colors are perfect for a Huey,
Loach or Cobra helicopter in Vietnam, but that's about it.
Gerald Owens

> I'm ready to put paint to my Italeri M47 and wondered about the colors,
> post-WWII.  I'm tempted to use the A/N-whatever Model Master offers but
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>
> Frank Kranick
Francis X. Kranick, Jr. - 20 Oct 2005 01:08 GMT
Gentlemen -
    Many thanks for your info.  I'll get mixing straightaway...

Frank Kranick
Gray Ghost - 21 Oct 2005 05:20 GMT
>      I'm ready to put paint to my Italeri M47 and wondered about the
>      colors,
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>
> Frank Kranick

Tamiya Dark Olive Drab in the spray can. I did an M41 with it. Probably not
as dark as some would suggest, but probably scale and semi gloss to boot.
Rich - 21 Oct 2005 07:09 GMT
> Tamiya Dark Olive Drab in the spray can. I did an M41 with it. Probably
> not
> as dark as some would suggest, but probably scale and semi gloss to boot.

You might try undercoating with good flat black.  A kind of preshading
thing.  Not that you track heads do a whole lot of that ;-)

rich
 
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