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Model Forum / General / Models / October 2005What glue or adhesive will bond fishing line (nylon?) ?
What type of glue or adhesive will bond monofilament fishing line? By bond, I mean form a real chemical bond from one strand of fishing line to another, and not simply form a hard shell around the strands where they can still be pulled through after the adhesive cures. I understand that most fishing line is basically nylon, and if so I guess I'm looking for an adhesive specifically for nylon (yes?). I'm trying to bond short pieces of fishing line across (or perpendicular to) a longer length of line. So the glue would be applied at the node where they cross. Heating the strands to bond them together doesn't seem to work in a predicatable way because the strands are too small (we're talking about 10 to 15 lb fishing line). Any ideas? Bad idea join the two together with a good blood knot > What type of glue or adhesive will bond monofilament fishing line? > [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > > Any ideas? > What type of glue or adhesive will bond monofilament fishing line? > [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > > Any ideas? Fishing Guy: Check out this site: This to That (Glue Advice) - http://www.thistothat.com/ Think you can find an adhesive to glue "water to oil" there. Good luck, Ray Austin, TX === > Think you can find an adhesive to glue "water to oil" there. > [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > Austin, TX > === Ray, most alcohols, especially the shorter cabon strings are miscible in both water and many oils... We used butyl alcohols (longer chains) years ago on a cattle ranch to cover the surface of water ponds to considerably lessen evaporation rates. The alcohol chain at one end (the "OH" ion) was in solution in the water and it's tail was sort of wagging in the air and would not readily evaporate. The alcohol would spread somewhat evenly over the surface of the ponds. Since the alcohol OH ion is "in solution", there is lettle reason to think the carbon end of the alcohol molocule won't also be "in solution" with the oil as well, bonding them together.. A pint of isopropyl alcohol, as an example, in the gas tank of most vehicles and farm equipment, will mix condensation and gasoline tegether,and out the tail pipe it all goes... cheers!! Bill What's the intended application? Are you using the fishing line for fishing? Or do you have some other use in mind? > What type of glue or adhesive will bond monofilament fishing line? > [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > > Any ideas? Pacer / ZAP has a product called Plasti-ZAP that may help. Its a cyanoacrylate that has additives that make it bond to plastics. Nothing short of a knot or a weld will give you much strength however. > What type of glue or adhesive will bond monofilament fishing line? > [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > > Any ideas? > What type of glue or adhesive will bond monofilament fishing line? > [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > > Any ideas? Don't know if it'll help you at all but, for what it's worth....... Glues and other adhesives do not typically form the kind of chemical bond you're looking for. What you're describing is fusion, as opposed to adhesion.....altogether different kinds of bonding. Fusion results in strong bonding, theoretically as strong as the material itself (although not necessarily stronger than adhesion). However, it tends to be impractical for thin strands of long chain polymers (like nylon monofilament) because it necessarily disrupts the integrity of the strands. Whether done chemically or via heat, you have to melt both strands at the point where they meet. This is fine, IF you can confine the melting to precisely that point but that is, practically speaking, virtually impossible. You're always going to do some damage to both strands on either side of the weld and this inevitably results in weakening them. Best to stick (heh, heh) with an adhesive designed for the job, I think. Sorry I can't help you with what that might be. Wolfgang Go to http://patft.uspto.gov/netahtml/search-bool.html and search Cesaroni. See U.S. patent # 5,039,370. The formulation creates an amorphous condition on the surface of polyamide (nylon) then it re-crystallizes when heat is applied. Anthony J. Cesaroni President/CEO Cesaroni Technology/Cesaroni Aerospace http://www.cesaronitech.com/ (905) 887-2370 x222 Toronto (941) 360-3100 x101 Sarasota (410) 571-8292 Annapolis > What type of glue or adhesive will bond monofilament fishing line? > [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > > Any ideas? Not many things will bond nylon with any kind of strength. I might suggest using one of the new aramid fiber lines such as Spider Wire or Fireline. You can use CA or epoxy on these.  SignaturePaul McIntosh RC-Bearings.com "when steel just isn't enough" > What type of glue or adhesive will bond monofilament fishing line? > [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > > Any ideas? > Not many things will bond nylon with any kind of strength. What about fiberglass resin (or phenolic resin - or maybe they're the same thing?) > I might suggest using one of the new aramid fiber > lines such as Spider Wire or Fireline. > You can use CA or epoxy on these. Interesting. Are all sized of Spider Wire or Fireline made from aramid fiber, or do I have to look specifically for "aramid fiber" on the package? > What about fiberglass resin (or phenolic resin - or maybe they're the > same thing?) "fiberglass resin" doesn't (strictly speaking) exist, but most often it refers to a polyester resin. Polyester, phenolic and epoxy resins are all different animals, and thus have different names. > Interesting. Are all sized of Spider Wire or Fireline made from > aramid fiber, or do I have to look specifically for "aramid fiber" on > the package? Yes, they will probably indicate somewhere that they're an aramid, or they may have a brand name such as Kevlar. -Kevin >> What about fiberglass resin (or phenolic resin - or maybe they're the >> same thing?) [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > Yes, they will probably indicate somewhere that they're an aramid, or they > may have a brand name such as Kevlar. Given that we're talking about a product named "Spider Wire", I'm guessing that "aramid" derives from arachnid, thus implying some sort of chemical relationship to the notoriously strong silk produced by spiders. Do you happen to know whether this is indeed any real affinity.....or is it simply marketing hype? Wolfgang > Given that we're talking about a product named "Spider Wire", I'm guessing > that "aramid" derives from arachnid, thus implying some sort of chemical [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > Wolfgang Actually, aramid fibers are nylon. They're structured with different chemical bonds than the nylon used in monofilament line. (End of snotty sounding chemistry lesson...that's all I know about the fiber). Kevlar is also an aramid fiber. The aramid lines are woven polyfilament which is why adhesives will work on them. It's still best practice to use a flexible adhesive (like RC-56, used widely for model RC airplanes) over a knotted joint. The use of a flexible adhesive allows the line to flex with the line, rather than chafing it. Hope this helps some, Geezer >> Given that we're talking about a product named "Spider Wire", I'm >> guessing that "aramid" derives from arachnid, thus implying some sort of [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] > Hope this helps some, > Geezer Thanks. Wolfgang Aramid fibers are the class of fibers that Kevlar belongs to. They are all synthetic and very strong in tensile. SignaturePaul McIntosh RC-Bearings.com "when steel just isn't enough" > >>> What about fiberglass resin (or phenolic resin - or maybe they're the [quoted text clipped - 18 lines] > > Wolfgang Those resins don't bond well to nylon fibers. They are primarily fillers to provide rigidity to the cloths used to make up the part. The fibers in the cloth provide most of the strength. Pretty much all of the new generation fishing lines are some kind of aramid or similar chemistry. They are all stranded and some have a flash heated outer coating. SignaturePaul McIntosh RC-Bearings.com "when steel just isn't enough" > >> Not many things will bond nylon with any kind of strength. [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > aramid fiber, or do I have to look specifically for "aramid fiber" on > the package? > I understand that most fishing line is basically nylon, and if so I > guess I'm looking for an adhesive specifically for nylon (yes?). I'm > trying to bond short pieces of fishing line across (or perpendicular > to) a longer length of line. So the glue would be applied at the node > where they cross. Search for the appropriate knot in Ashley's Book of Knots. HTH Marc SignatureSwitzerland/Europe <http://www.heusser.com> remove CHEERS and from MERCIAL to get valid e-mail go to http://www.thistothat.com/ JK > > I understand that most fishing line is basically nylon, and if so I > > guess I'm looking for an adhesive specifically for nylon (yes?). I'm [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > <http://www.heusser.com> > remove CHEERS and from MERCIAL to get valid e-mail > go to http://www.thistothat.com/ That site is not specific enough (or, in other words, it's too general). It doesn't have a "nylon to nylon" selection. |
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