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Milton Bell - 23 Nov 2005 17:26 GMT
Haven't seen it mentioned here but Airfix showed a really nice 1/48 Canberra
at the UK Nats in Telford. Also had a very nice 1/72 Nimrod.

Airfix plans to do four versions of the Canberra, probably for release in
late 06.

The Classic Airframes version should be out in the first quarter (perhaps
first HALF) of next year.

Got back to Texas yesterday from London and still suffering jet lag. It was
a great show.

MB
jwadetjpp@yahoo.com - 23 Nov 2005 17:51 GMT
Why oh why do we wait for a 1/48 Canberra only to have two
manufacturers compete against each other with near simultaneous
releases?!? Perhaps Airfix should consider releasing theirs in 1/72!!
(oh please do)  Otherwise it is likely to turn into a contest of whose
will be cheapest, which Airfix will likely win, or which will be more
highly detailed, which is likely to go to CA.  In any event there will
be some redundancy and I, for one, hate to see the duplication of
efforts.
frank - 23 Nov 2005 18:13 GMT
I read that Airfix modified their mold to make the B-57B kit, so they
can't re-release it in 1/72
Milton Bell - 23 Nov 2005 21:00 GMT
It's just one of those things that happen. The CA model will be out first
and I have no idea how many versions Jules plans on. He did show me the
clear parts (and they are very nice) as if to say "It's on the way!"

The flyer that Airfix circulated lists a B.2,& B.20; a B(1)8 & B(1)12; a
PR.9, a B-57B, B-57E, and an RB-57G.

I suspect CA will take a number of early sales since their kit will be out
first and it's an early version. I wish them both well. We modelers may have
a great year.

MB

> From: jwadetjpp@yahoo.com
> Organization: http://groups.google.com
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> be some redundancy and I, for one, hate to see the duplication of
> efforts.
e - 23 Nov 2005 21:35 GMT
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>MB

which recon version was the one with all the extra panels
and wingspan? if i remember, in a side by side, the
stretcher is almost double the span? that about right?
Jonathan Stilwell - 23 Nov 2005 22:58 GMT
----- Original Message -----
From: "e" <noone@some.domain>
Subject: Re: New Airfix Canberra

> which recon version was the one with all the extra panels
> and wingspan? if i remember, in a side by side, the
> stretcher is almost double the span? that about right?

Both the -57D and -57F had extended wingspans, the RB-57F / WB-57F being the
larger.

 Jon.
e - 24 Nov 2005 00:14 GMT
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>  Jon.

thanks. i remember seeing a conversion in one of the
modeling rags in the early 70's. don't remember the kit or
rag, wish i could find it because it was really good.
maybe tom m can help here?
Greg Heilers - 24 Nov 2005 00:33 GMT
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> rag, wish i could find it because it was really good.
> maybe tom m can help here?

"DB Models" did a very nice conversion kit, with resin and vac-form parts.
The article to which you refer, may be the February 1993 edition of
Fine Scale Modeler.  I believe this dealt with the Italeri kit, and the
DB conversion kit.  Of course, these are 1/72nd scale.

I believe that in a generation past, Airmodel also did a conversion
kit.

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e - 24 Nov 2005 00:42 GMT
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>I believe that in a generation past, Airmodel also did a conversion
>kit.

thanks greg, but the article i mean was from the 70's. it
was a total scratch build on the wings and the guy was a
real master.
i hope to find it.
Gondor - 24 Nov 2005 11:43 GMT
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>>I believe that in a generation past, Airmodel also did a conversion
>>kit.
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> real master.
> i hope to find it.

Airfix Magazine did a series of articles about the Canberra and I think
these are the ones you remember, if you like I can dig out the relevant
magazines and scan them for you.

Gondor
davec0v - 24 Nov 2005 14:55 GMT
> thanks greg, but the article i mean was from the 70's. it
> was a total scratch build on the wings and the guy was a
> real master.
> i hope to find it.

There was an article in the February 1976 of Airfix Magazine showing the
conversion of the Airfix kit to an RB-57F.  Here are links to scans of the
article (six pages in all):

<http://www.davecov.co.uk/modelling/reference/airfixmagazinearticles/aircraft/ima
ges/february76_rb57f_page1.jpg
>

<http://www.davecov.co.uk/modelling/reference/airfixmagazinearticles/aircraft/ima
ges/february76_rb57f_page2.jpg
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<http://www.davecov.co.uk/modelling/reference/airfixmagazinearticles/aircraft/ima
ges/february76_rb57f_page3.jpg
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<http://www.davecov.co.uk/modelling/reference/airfixmagazinearticles/aircraft/ima
ges/february76_rb57f_page4.jpg
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<http://www.davecov.co.uk/modelling/reference/airfixmagazinearticles/aircraft/ima
ges/february76_rb57f_page5.jpg
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<http://www.davecov.co.uk/modelling/reference/airfixmagazinearticles/aircraft/ima
ges/february76_rb57f_page6.jpg
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They will be online for the next four weeks.

HTH

Dave
e - 24 Nov 2005 18:09 GMT
>> thanks greg, but the article i mean was from the 70's. it
>> was a total scratch build on the wings and the guy was a
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>Dave

that isn't it, but it is a keeper. thank you very much.
falkirk1298@btinternet.com - 24 Nov 2005 17:50 GMT
I think you may be after the series of articles written by the late
Brian Philpot in Airfix Magazine in the late 1970s. Brian died quite a
number of years ago but was, as you say, a real master. His articles
are still worth reading today.

John
e - 24 Nov 2005 18:10 GMT
>I think you may be after the series of articles written by the late
>Brian Philpot in Airfix Magazine in the late 1970s. Brian died quite a
>number of years ago but was, as you say, a real master. His articles
>are still worth reading today.
>
>John

it's a great article, but not the one. it was in an american
mag and had thetypical fsm type layout. but thanks.
Mad Modeller - 25 Nov 2005 04:38 GMT
> >I think you may be after the series of articles written by the late
> >Brian Philpot in Airfix Magazine in the late 1970s. Brian died quite a
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> it's a great article, but not the one. it was in an american
> mag and had thetypical fsm type layout. but thanks.

Got to be "Scale Modeler".  They occasionally published good stuff.

Bill Banaszak, MFE Sr.
e - 25 Nov 2005 02:49 GMT
>> In article <1132854639.543320.145170@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com>,
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>
>Bill Banaszak, MFE Sr.

i think so, bill. it was a pretty well known plane guy, i
believe. he did it up right, new wings, intakes, (iirc) and
other subtle changes. posed next to a stocker, it's wings
were monsters.
any of those still flying? must be an awesome scene.
Mad Modeller - 25 Nov 2005 08:42 GMT
I think that all the USAF Canberra recon jobs are grounded.  
Anyone know better?

Bill Banaszak, MFE Sr.
Rich - 25 Nov 2005 07:32 GMT
Last of the recy Canberra's were in the 70's... I know the last of the
WB-57F's were with the 58th Weather Recconesance Squadron at Kirtland AFB,
New Mexico.  3 of these were handed over too NASA (the rest in DM).  Of
these 3, one is still being used and one source has it (the same bird)
primarily being flown for Department of Energy.

This was my primary source:

http://www.csd.uwo.ca/~pettypi/elevon/baugher_us/b057i.html

And this was the stuff about the RB-57F:

http://www.csd.uwo.ca/~pettypi/elevon/baugher_us/b057-08.html

Rich

>I think that all the USAF Canberra recon jobs are grounded.
> Anyone know better?
>
> Bill Banaszak, MFE Sr.
e - 25 Nov 2005 08:21 GMT
>Last of the recy Canberra's were in the 70's... I know the last of the
>WB-57F's were with the 58th Weather Recconesance Squadron at Kirtland AFB,
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>>
>> Bill Banaszak, MFE Sr.

very cool, thanks
Gary Warwick - 25 Nov 2005 13:52 GMT
A NASA operated WB-57F flew cosmic dust sampling missions from RAF
Mildenhall in the UK during October this year. Check out 'Airforces Monthly'
amongst others.
Cheers
gary.
>I think that all the USAF Canberra recon jobs are grounded.
> Anyone know better?
>
> Bill Banaszak, MFE Sr.
maiesm72@netscape.com - 28 Nov 2005 18:29 GMT
Let's remember the new High Planes kits in 1/72.

They should be out now, at least the first of them. I havn't seen them
yet, but they ar most welcomed.

Tom
dnews@bbbweb.com - 29 Nov 2005 13:01 GMT
>Let's remember the new High Planes kits in 1/72.
>
>They should be out now, at least the first of them. I havn't seen them
>yet, but they ar most welcomed.
>
>Tom
We have had the high planes kits in stock and sold them. They do warn
or extra effort on the boxes and are recommended for expert modellers
only (their words).

David
Jonathan Stilwell - 24 Nov 2005 18:35 GMT
> >>> which recon version was the one with all the extra panels
> >>> and wingspan? if i remember, in a side by side, the
> >>> stretcher is almost double the span? that about right?

> >>Both the -57D and -57F had extended wingspans, the RB-57F / WB-57F being
> >>the larger.

> > thanks. i remember seeing a conversion in one of the
> > modeling rags in the early 70's. don't remember the kit or
> > rag, wish i could find it because it was really good.
> > maybe tom m can help here?

> "DB Models" did a very nice conversion kit, with resin and vac-form parts.
> The article to which you refer, may be the February 1993 edition of
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
> I believe that in a generation past, Airmodel also did a conversion
> kit.

DB did conversions for both the -57D and -57F from the Italeri kit; Airmodel
did the -57F, High Planes do a limited run injection kit of the -57D and
Mach 2 do a limited run -57F.
All in 1:72.

  Jon.
Rich - 24 Nov 2005 07:42 GMT
> The flyer that Airfix circulated lists a B.2,& B.20; a B(1)8 & B(1)12; a
> PR.9, a B-57B, B-57E, and an RB-57G.
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>
> MB

Oh, be still my beating heart.  After discussing the differences in my off
shoot thread, and reading up, I belive I trully came down with a harder case
of Gotta Build That, and that and that......

I applaud Airfix for cross ponding the variants!  Now.  Do I also wait for
the aftermarket accessories and go for the RB-57F, or the WB version.  Will
it be USAF with the 58th WRS (from my hometown at Kirtland) or the still
flying NASA livery?  Oh, or the night attack RB-57B in black...  I really
should finish those other projects first.

Rich
Milton Bell - 24 Nov 2005 16:32 GMT
I suspect the decal makers and resin casters will be having a field day.

BTW, I hear the Canberra will go for about $60 USD. Perhaps we should start
a new savings account.

MB

> From: "Rich" <anrcox@REMOVEmindspringDOTcom>
> Organization: les newsgroups par Wanadoo
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>
> Rich
dnews@bbbweb.com - 24 Nov 2005 10:23 GMT
>It's just one of those things that happen. The CA model will be out first
>and I have no idea how many versions Jules plans on. He did show me the
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>> be some redundancy and I, for one, hate to see the duplication of
>> efforts.

From what I hear, and assuming the same type of time slip as for the
TSR2, the Canberra is unlikely to be here before 2007. This gives CA
plenty of time to get their's out and sold, given their normal
production runs.

David
Milton Bell - 24 Nov 2005 16:29 GMT
Airfix had both scale TSR2s on the table but the 1/48 version was still in
an early form. Both looked really good. Can't remember what they said about
release dates. (can't find my notes!!! #$%^)

That Nimrod in 1/72 was very nice as well.

Revell AG showed their big Antonov transport with both ends open. Also
showed their Airbus 380 in Arab Emirates markings (the first operator).

MB

> From: dnews@bbbweb.com
> Organization: Posted via Supernews, http://www.supernews.com
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>
> David
Ken Duffey - 24 Nov 2005 16:56 GMT
The 1:48 scale TSR2 was the master for the 1:72 scale version - don't
expect one soon in 1:48 !!!!!

Ken

> Airfix had both scale TSR2s on the table but the 1/48 version was still in
> an early form. Both looked really good. Can't remember what they said about
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>>
>>David
Milton Bell - 24 Nov 2005 18:42 GMT
Thanks Ken. I remember that now from conversations at the Airfix stall.
Guess my brain wasn't in gear as I looked at my photos‹too many distractions
on T-Day.

Also, the models shown in finished form were not the actual Airfix finished
prototypes but existing kits that show the size and what the finished
article should look like. Still, I like the looks of the Nimrod.

> From: Ken Duffey <kenduffey@su27man.freeserve.co.uk>
> Newsgroups: rec.models.scale
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>
> Ken
Enzo Matrix - 23 Nov 2005 23:32 GMT
> Why oh why do we wait for a 1/48 Canberra only to have two
> manufacturers compete against each other with near simultaneous
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> be some redundancy and I, for one, hate to see the duplication of
> efforts.

A similar situation *almost* occurred recently in the model railway world.
In the UK both Bachmann and Hornby simultaneoulsy announced plans to produce
a GWR Grange. Rather than competing, the companies put their heads together
and came up with a solution. Bachmann were able to change their moulds to
represent a GWR Hall, which was similar but not identical to the Grange.
There was therefore no clash of products and everyone was happy -
particularly modellers of the Great Western Railway!

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Dave Fleming - 24 Nov 2005 11:09 GMT
>A similar situation *almost* occurred recently in the model railway world.
>In the UK both Bachmann and Hornby simultaneoulsy announced plans to produce
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>There was therefore no clash of products and everyone was happy -
>particularly modellers of the Great Western Railway!

But then both Farish/Bachmann and Dapol have done 'N' guage Class
66s....
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Enzo Matrix - 24 Nov 2005 11:51 GMT
>> A similar situation *almost* occurred recently in the model railway
>> world. In the UK both Bachmann and Hornby simultaneoulsy announced
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> But then both Farish/Bachmann and Dapol have done 'N' guage Class
> 66s....

That's true!

I'm just hoping that Bachmann and Hornby clash over a LNWR Claughton.  Then
one of them can change their minds and make an LYR Dreadnought instead!  :o)

<Enzo gazes fondly at the huge pie in the sky>

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Ted Taylor - 24 Nov 2005 21:37 GMT
That Canberra was an Aeroclub model on loan

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> Haven't seen it mentioned here but Airfix showed a really nice 1/48
> Canberra
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>
> MB
 
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