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Model Forum / General / Models / December 2005On-Topic .. Randy "Duke" Cunningham ... The "Dukester"
Are there decals for the Dukester's Vietnam War, US Navy F4? I would like to build this model for my "Hall of Shame." Ace, Top Gun Instructor, Navy Cross, Silver Star, Purple heart ...... nominated for the Medal of Honor. For those of you who are clueless, Ex-Representative Cunningham (R), California, just pleaded guilty to accepting over $2,000,000 in bribes from defense contractors. This guy is a piece of work. Ah ... Republicans .... what an entertaining bunch they are. Never a dull moment with these clowns in power. OK, so he stole 2 million. Anyone want to hazard a guess how much this cost the taxpayer in bloated defense spending? I don't know, but it could be billions of taxpayer monies down the toilet. These defense industry crooks don't hand out millions without getting billions back for their effort and creativity. And if he admits he stole $2,000,000, that is usually just the tip of the iceberg. I wonder how much he really stole? ..../V How soon one forgets (or ignores) the Democrats' escapades. > How soon one forgets (or ignores) the Democrats' escapades. ??? I'm missing something here. WmB >How soon one forgets (or ignores) the Democrats' escapades. they're all a buncha freakin crooks. inherent in the system. >>How soon one forgets (or ignores) the Democrats' escapades. > > they're all a buncha freakin crooks. inherent in the system. Yeah...that's my take on it. Not to mention that I'm SERIOUSLY skeptical on the timing and attention that Carter's new book is getting...  Signature- Rufus >> In article <1133259854.193806.140350@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com>, "frank" >> [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] >Not to mention that I'm SERIOUSLY skeptical on the timing and attention >that Carter's new book is getting... that would also fit the pattern. >>How soon one forgets (or ignores) the Democrats' escapades. >> > they're all a buncha freakin crooks. inherent in the system. I wouldn't go as far to say they're all crooks, but I have yet to see one come back from DC worse off than when he or she left. The saddest commentary is knowing that there is one moonbat out there that would have given Cunningham a pass this a.m. in RMS if he simply had a (D) after his name. What a world.... what a world... WmB >>>How soon one forgets (or ignores) the Democrats' escapades. >>> [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > >WmB skunks have no party boundries. > Are there decals for the Dukester's Vietnam War, US Navy F4? I would > like to build this model for my "Hall of Shame." This scheme is produced in three scales by Yellowhammer: 1/72 https://www.hannants.co.uk/search/?FULL=YH7202 1/48 https://www.hannants.co.uk/search/?FULL=YH4815 1/32 https://www.hannants.co.uk/search/?FULL=YH3207 In all three cases you will need to make some changes to this scheme as it represents the aircraft with an earlier kill marking that wasn't worn at the time of Cunningham's famous mission on 10 May 72. For more details see: http://www.features02.kitparade.com/f4jshowtime100da_1.htm Of course, you can't represent the aircraft *after* the mission as it was shot down while leaving the combat area. SignatureEnzo I wear the cheese. It does not wear me. >> Are there decals for the Dukester's Vietnam War, US Navy F4? I would >> like to build this model for my "Hall of Shame." Oh - now I see what caused that smell. WmB >>> Are there decals for the Dukester's Vietnam War, US Navy F4? I would >>> like to build this model for my "Hall of Shame." > > Oh - now I see what caused that smell. Erm.... that's my feet! Sorry! ;-) SignatureEnzo I wear the cheese. It does not wear me. >>>> Are there decals for the Dukester's Vietnam War, US Navy F4? I would >>>> like to build this model for my "Hall of Shame." >> >> Oh - now I see what caused that smell. > > Erm.... that's my feet! Sorry! ;-) Hey, everyone steps in a little /V every once and a while. ;-) WmB >>>>> Are there decals for the Dukester's Vietnam War, US Navy F4? I >>>>> would like to build this model for my "Hall of Shame." [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > Hey, everyone steps in a little /V every once and a while. ;-) Aha! I see now from looking at preveious posts from the OP that he probably wasn't really interested in decal sheets of Showtime 100. It seems to me that he's a politically motivated troll looking to start an argument, and I fell for it. My apologies to the group! :-) SignatureEnzo I wear the cheese. It does not wear me. Did you put any decals on your model of the Bill Clinton Cigar or on your diorama of the Whitewater Project???? "Enzo Matrix" <enzo55@hotmail.com> wrote in message >> Hey, everyone steps in a little /V every once and a while. ;-) > [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > I > fell for it. My apologies to the group! :-) Yep, that's pretty much /V in a nutshell. Emphasis on **NUT**. KF the freak and be happy. WmB Anybody ever seen any of Vess' modeling examples? Sad about Cunningham. Had dinner with him once before he got into politics and he was a really nice guy with several great stories about his flying days. Met him again at an IPMS Nats. where he told several of those stories. The best one involved a night flight, an airlner and a flashlight. Never liked him much as a poltician, but then I have never met a single politician that I would trust with anything. Tom > Anybody ever seen any of Vess' modeling examples? > [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > > Tom Funny...I met him once too. I had to reconfigure a jet so he could take a ride in it...just because he was a congessman. And even under those circumstances - as we were briefing - he struck me more as a politician than as a fighter pilot. Other than that, I don't know the guy, but it just goes to show, I guess - you are/become as you associate... Signature- Rufus Cunningham is an embarrassment to the Republican Party, to Vietnam veterans and to Naval aviation. However, one does not get to Congress by being a boy scout. If one was to kick over the rock that just about every Senator/Congressman (Republican, Democrat, Independent, whatever) lives under you'd find dirt; some a little dirt.....others a lot of it. Power corrupts.....absolute power corrupts absolutely. And, as Barretta used to say; "an' dat's da name a' dat tune." SignatureCheers: Bill Woodier "We sleep safe in our beds because rough men stand ready in the night to visit violence on those who would do us harm." My Home Page: http://www.bill-woodier.com/home.htm -- >> Anybody ever seen any of Vess' modeling examples? >> [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > know the guy, but it just goes to show, I guess - you are/become as you > associate... > Cunningham is an embarrassment to the Republican Party, to Vietnam > veterans and to Naval aviation. However, one does not get to Congress [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > Power corrupts.....absolute power corrupts absolutely. And, as > Barretta used to say; "an' dat's da name a' dat tune." And I find that truly disheartening. I always entertained the idea of running at least for a state level seat, but frankly I like to think I'm particular about the people I do business with. What I really find just gut wrenching is you have a guy who was a fighter pilot, able to quickly make life saving decisions in a crisis situation, remains calm through the whole thing, who was a highly trained technical professional and an "officer and a gentleman" and he still had to be picking apples off a tree he shouldn't have even been standing next to. I mean most politicians are just scummy lawyers who are used to bending the meaning of laws or otherwise just sleazebags who couldn't hold a job in the private sector, so you expect this kind of thing. The whole thing is putrid, I'm losing any hope of "peaceful" reform. It may be getting time to push the reset button on the Constitution. > Cunningham is an embarrassment to the Republican Party, to Vietnam veterans > and to Naval aviation. However, one does not get to Congress by being a boy [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > corrupts.....absolute power corrupts absolutely. And, as Barretta used to > say; "an' dat's da name a' dat tune." Agreed 110%, concerning politicians...and that's what make it so disgusting - the guy is (was) supposed to represent the "best and brightest" of us, and it would seem that what we have come to and are now expected to accept that the "best and brightest" of us will simply roll over and become part of the machinery once it come down to it. Here's how I spell "reform": TERM LIMITS. Until we get them, never vote for an incumbant more than once. That's what I do. Signature- Rufus I would agree with you regarding term limits, Rufus. The longer a particular "public servant" remains in office, the more tempting the "dark side" becomes and the more confident they become that they can get away with it. If a term limit is good enough for the office of President of the United States, it should be good enough for Senators and Representatives. SignatureCheers: Bill Woodier "We sleep safe in our beds because rough men stand ready in the night to visit violence on those who would do us harm." My Home Page: http://www.bill-woodier.com/home.htm -- >> Cunningham is an embarrassment to the Republican Party, to Vietnam >> veterans and to Naval aviation. However, one does not get to Congress by [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > Here's how I spell "reform": TERM LIMITS. Until we get them, never vote > for an incumbant more than once. That's what I do. Here's an idea. Senators and Congressmen get no salary at all. If they balance the budget, they get 1 million dollars each tax free. They can only serve 4 years so they have the potential of walking away with 4 million dollars tax free. We could save trillions of dollars. Lets out bribe the briber's > I would agree with you regarding term limits, Rufus. The longer a > particular "public servant" remains in office, the more tempting the "dark [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > If a term limit is good enough for the office of President of the United > States, it should be good enough for Senators and Representatives. My sentiments exactly. Signature- Rufus >I would agree with you regarding term limits, Rufus. The longer a >particular "public servant" remains in office, the more tempting the "dark [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > If a term limit is good enough for the office of President of the United > States, it should be good enough for Senators and Representatives. How about this addendum, Bill - No current holder of elective public office may run for any other elective public office without FIRST resigning from his current post. Simply - can't run for a job if you already got one. Also means you can't run for 2 posts at once. No covering your bases, ala Senator Lieberman. Running for Vice-Pres. AND for re-election as a Senator simultaneously is just WRONG. Either DO the job you were elected to do - OR resign & run for another one. NOT BOTH, -Kevin in Indy, where the Football team is 11-0, and the price of gas is $1.87. *evil grin* I'd agree with that as well. SignatureCheers: Bill Woodier "We sleep safe in our beds because rough men stand ready in the night to visit violence on those who would do us harm." My Home Page: http://www.bill-woodier.com/home.htm -- >>I would agree with you regarding term limits, Rufus. The longer a >>particular "public servant" remains in office, the more tempting the "dark [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] > -Kevin in Indy, where the Football team is 11-0, and the price of gas is > $1.87. *evil grin* > If a term limit is good enough for the office of President of the United > States, it should be good enough for Senators and Representatives. If unlimited terms were good enough for the founding fathers, they are good enough for me. The idea was that the people would act. They don't, so they get what they deserve. The FF's were pretty keen on that too. KL Reminds me of the '60s bumper sticker: "The silent majority gets exactly what it asks for". Tom >> If a term limit is good enough for the office of President of the >> United States, it should be good enough for Senators and [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > > KL Ahh... but the FFs were statemen, not politicians. And methinks they might not of concieved the notion that anyone would seek public office for personal gain, rather then for the joy of serving their country. RobG >>> If a term limit is good enough for the office of President of the >>> United States, it should be good enough for Senators and [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > > RobG IIRC, a statesman is a politician that has either been dead for a long time or outlived all of his opponents. ;-) I think you have to go back to Lincoln to find the last guy that stands shoulder to shoulder with the founding fathers. You probably have to look beyond the US shores to Winston Churchill for the one modern era leader that could have held his own at any of the Constitutional Conventions. And despite this, both in their time were about as universally popular as George W Bush. And no, before any of the moonbats sink in their fangs, I'm not suggesting that future histrians will elevate Bush's status to the likes of Lincoln and Churchill. Not by any stretch. ;-) WmB >>>>If a term limit is good enough for the office of President of the >>>>United States, it should be good enough for Senators and [quoted text clipped - 27 lines] > > WmB I dunno...look at what they're doing with wild-Bill Clinton... Signature- Rufus > IIRC, a statesman is a politician that has either been dead for a long time > or outlived all of his opponents. ;-) All too true.... > I think you have to go back to Lincoln to find the last guy that stands > shoulder to shoulder with the founding fathers. You probably have to look > beyond the US shores to Winston Churchill for the one modern era leader that > could have held his own at any of the Constitutional Conventions. I would have to go for Teddy Roosevelt. He kicked a.s at San Juan Hill, led the country after the sitting President was murdered by a nutjob and won the Nobel Peace Prize for helping to stop the Russo-Japanese War. <snippage> > I would have to go for Teddy Roosevelt. He kicked a.s at San Juan Hill, > led the country after the sitting President was murdered by a nutjob > and won the Nobel Peace Prize for helping to stop the Russo-Japanese > War. "won the Nobel Peace Prize for helping to stop the Russo-Japanese War." ...Which action SIGNIFICANTLY contributed to both the fall of the Czar & subsequent Bolshevik Revolution, and to rampant Japanese Militant Imperialism. And his "rep" from San Juan Hill was more P.R., than anything he actually did - aside from grossly exceeding his orders. In the Immortal Words of Greg Boyington - "Show me a Hero and I'll show you a Bum." History seldom leaves on with the Rep they actually deserve. Rightly or Wrongly. *shrug* -Kevin in Indy > "won the Nobel Peace Prize for helping to stop the Russo-Japanese > War." ...Which action SIGNIFICANTLY contributed to both the fall of the > Czar & subsequent Bolshevik Revolution, and to rampant Japanese Militant > Imperialism. Viz a viz Russia, they were having a "problem" with Bolshevism long before 1905 and as to events leading up to the rise of the Soviet, I'd have top say that the Czar and his "advisors" had much more to do with that than Roosevelt. Viz a viz Japan, they were a "militant" nation centuries before 1941, again having nothing to do with Roosevelt. You might as well blame Admiral Perry for opening the country to Western Technology. > And his "rep" from San Juan Hill was more P.R., than anything he actually > did - aside from grossly exceeding his orders. Tell that to the Spaniards...... > In the Immortal Words of Greg Boyington - "Show me a Hero and I'll show you > a Bum." Tell ~that~ to G/Sgt. Basilone, Audie Murphy or any of the other winners of the Medal of Honor... Or were you talking about that "Hero" in the White House? Too bad Boyington isn't still around to make obscene comments. At a pre-Reno Air Race dinner he referred to the Congressional Medal of Honor as being the same thing that was awarded to those fu..ers who murdered unarmed women and children at Wounded Knee. Of course his "Show me a hero and I'll show you a bum" comment was always meant to be self-inclusive. To state that he was a "character" would be a gross understatement, but he was certainly a most interesting individual. Tom >>If a term limit is good enough for the office of President of the United >>States, it should be good enough for Senators and Representatives. [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > > KL Actually, the Founding Father and first President himself - Washington - set the precident for the two-term limit on the Office which stood until FDR managed to break the tradition and Congress had to make it law. Once again I have to agree - good enough for one office, good enough for all. Just like taxes... Seems to me the Founders were morally convinced of what in meant to be a "public servant" even if they were a bit nieve in considering human nature and what it may devolve into when the initial law was drafted. Yes - people are expected to act, and when they don't, that's where the law takes over. And that's why the Founders were wise enough to include the provision for changes in the law. Signature- Rufus If you go through their writings, one of their key assumptions was that a Republic can't survive without public virtue. Their defintion of virtue is quite different from how we use the word today, as they viewed it more in terms of a citizens obligations to the state. The closest thing I'm aware of in today's world generally comes from those who have served in a professional army. Actually, if you read the FFs carefully,,many of their expectations of citizens sound nearly Fascistic compared to modern standards. BTW, I'm surprised no one's touched on the real problem in national politics yet, although those who quote Acton are close. It isn't absolute power which corrupts; it's absolute immunity. Today's representatives are nearly unseatable under normal conditions, since both parties ruthlessly gerrymander voting districts. Various "civil rights" groups -instead of expressing indignation about districting- eat thisstuff up, as it guarantees a certain number of all-black districts. After all, we all know that only black congressmen can truly represent black citizens, and so on... It's sad that attempts to re-district states recently failed in Ohio and California a few weeks ago. I don't doubt that Republicans (here in Ohio) and Democrats in California are celebrating their "victories." (and no, I'm not a Democrat, thank you! {g}) >> If a term limit is good enough for the office of President of the United >> States, it should be good enough for Senators and Representatives. [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > >KL > If a term limit is good enough for the office of President of the United > States, it should be good enough for Senators and Representatives. I agree wholeheartedly with you, but remember this, the 25th(?) Amendment concerning term limits was the handiwork of the Republican Party, designed to prevent another Franklin Roosevelt. Why they limited it to the President is beyond me - oh wait, they probably wouldn't have wanted to cut short ~their own~ careers..... "Old Timer" <tomac1947@aol.com> wrote in news:1133566969.377799.20750 @g49g2000cwa.googlegroups.com: >> If a term limit is good enough for the office of President of the United >> States, it should be good enough for Senators and Representatives. [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > Why they limited it to the President is beyond me - oh wait, they > probably wouldn't have wanted to cut short ~their own~ careers..... As much as some narrow minded people like to bash the Republicans ad nauseum, the 25th was also passed in the era of dictators for life, Franco, Mussolini, Hitler, Stalin, Hirohitho, etc. Ya think maybe that was also a condoeration given all of the (ahem) constitutionally questionable actions he'd taken? > As much as some narrow minded people like to bash the Republicans ad > nauseum, the 25th was also passed in the era of dictators for life, Franco, > Mussolini, Hitler, Stalin, Hirohitho, etc. Ya think maybe that was also a > condoeration given all of the (ahem) constitutionally questionable actions > he'd taken? You're probably right about that Ghost, and I'll not deny that. All ~I~ meant was that it was a Repiblican-controlled Congress that passed that measure. And I just ~know~ that you're not talking about ~my~ narrow-mindedness; I've been a card-carrying Republican since 1970, when I got settled after my discharge from the Marine Corps. Even carried that card in the dark Nixon Days, when ~he~ smeared the Party's rep! >> As much as some narrow minded people like to bash the Republicans ad >> nauseum, the 25th was also passed in the era of dictators for life, [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > after my discharge from the Marine Corps. Even carried that card in the > dark Nixon Days, when ~he~ smeared the Party's rep! No offense meant. Just a little sensitive to all the mindless R-bashing considering the vile mouths it comes from. And yes I also believe that some of the Republicans biggests enemies are people that call themselves R for convenience and then fail to live up to what they are supposed to stand for. To many opportunists and to many cowards that won't stand up to the mindless blather coming from the Washingon Post or the New York Times. Hell if I was in office I'd be using the lies of the Old Grey Whore wholesale to demean the opposition for the damn lieing cowards that they are. The RAF Bomber Command had a term for it in WWII - LMF - Lack of Moral Fiber. Most appropriate these days. Frank You sound like a Reagan Republican! :) >And yes I also believe that some of the Republicans biggests enemies are >people that call themselves R for convenience and then fail to live up to [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] >the lies of the Old Grey Whore wholesale to demean the opposition for the >damn lieing cowards that they are. > You sound like a Reagan Republican! :) Thank you. > > [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] >>be using the lies of the Old Grey Whore wholesale to demean the >>opposition for the damn lieing cowards that they are. 'Sad' says it all. There seems to be far too many people of whatever political stripe tripping over their own follies of late. Bill Banaszak here's mine: :-) http://www.features02.kitparade.com/f4jid_1.htm Ingo > here's mine: :-) > > http://www.features02.kitparade.com/f4jid_1.htm Oh, very *very* nice work, Ingo! <Enzo applauds> SignatureEnzo I wear the cheese. It does not wear me. You should be the last one to talk about anything regarding personal credibility Vess, as you promised us you would never post here again after your humiliation of being 180-degrees off in your election prediction. Yet, here you are, again. > For those of you who are clueless, Ex-Representative Cunningham (R), > California, just pleaded guilty to accepting over $2,000,000 in bribes > from defense contractors. This guy is a piece of work. > OK, so he stole 2 million. > And if he admits he stole $2,000,000, that is usually just the tip of the > iceberg. I wonder how much he really stole? Hey nitwit, he didn't *steal* the $2,000,000, and it doesn't appear he stole anything at all. Do English words have any meaning to you? You cannot just substitute words you think are more pejorative than the correct ones to make a more emphatic statement. But you are a lying, hypocritical, troll who cannot understand that you are unwanted, so I guess things like that don't apply to you. KL "Hey nitwit, he didn't *steal* the $2,000,000, and it doesn't appear he stole anything at all. " Nope. Just this, (and God knows what it cost the taxpayers in unnecessary purchases and overcosts): $200,000 toward the purchase of his Arlington, Va., condominium. $140,000 to a third party for the "Duke-Stir" yacht, which was moved to his boat slip for his use. $16,867.13 to a marine services company for repairs to his own yacht, the "Kelly C." $12,000 paid to an antique store for three night stands, a leaded glass cabinet, a washstand, a buffet and four armoires. $6,632 paid to a furniture store for a leather sofa and a sleigh-style bed. $7,200 paid to an antique store for a circa 1850 Louis Phillipe period commode and a circa 1830 Restoration period commode. $13,500 toward the purchase of a Rolls-Royce. $17,889.96 for repairs to the Rolls-Royce. $11,393.56 paid to a moving company to ship his belongings from his Arlington condominium to his San Diego-area home. $2,081.30 paid to a Washington, D.C., hotel for his daughter's graduation party. $9,200 paid to a manufacturer for two Laser Shot shooting simulators. $10,000 paid to various hotels, resorts and restaurants for his meals and entertainment expenses. Hundreds of thousands of dollars in cash to him and a company he controlled. There's a reason the Navy "allowed" him to resign. > � $2,081.30 paid to a Washington, D.C., hotel for his daughter's > graduation party. Sounds like he got a good deal there. :( -Bill > $7,200 paid to an antique store for a circa 1850 Louis Phillipe period commode and a circa 1830 Restoration period commode. Because a Congressman needs a really special crapper. >> $7,200 paid to an antique store for a circa 1850 Louis Phillipe > period commode and a circa 1830 Restoration period commode. > > Because a Congressman needs a really special crapper. And RMS doesn't. WmB Probably quite a bit "bigger/special" than the usual since they are usually so full of it. MB > From: "tomcervo" <tomcervo@aol.com> > Organization: http://groups.google.com [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > > Because a Congressman needs a really special crapper. >>$7,200 paid to an antique store for a circa 1850 Louis Phillipe > > period commode and a circa 1830 Restoration period commode. > > Because a Congressman needs a really special crapper. For that much cash he could have sent off to Vietnam for part of the wreckage of "Col. Tomb's" MiG and had a commode made out of that. Heck, maybe they have commodes like that at the Hanoi Hilton: http://www.hilton.com/en/hi/hotels/index.jhtml?ctyhocn=HANHITW > Heck, maybe they have commodes like that at the Hanoi Hilton... Well it ~was~ a French colony.... "tomcervo" <tomcervo@aol.com> wrote "Hey nitwit, he didn't *steal* the $2,000,000, and it doesn't appear he stole anything at all. " >Nope. Just this, (and God knows what it cost the taxpayers in >unnecessary purchases and overcosts): I wasn't contesting his wrongdoing, only pointing out that Vess had (delibrately?) referred to it as stealing to make it sound worse - as if bribery wasn't bad enough. Just another skirmish in the war to maintain the English language against the incompetent and the malevolent. KL Tom, I think his point was that bribery isn't stealing. On the other hand, it's kind of a moot point, since both are criminal felonies... Heh. >"Hey nitwit, he didn't *steal* the $2,000,000, and it doesn't appear he >stole anything at all. " > >Nope. Just this, (and God knows what it cost the taxpayers in >unnecessary purchases and overcosts): > Are there decals for the Dukester's Vietnam War, US Navy F4? I would > like to build this model for my "Hall of Shame." [quoted text clipped - 20 lines] > > ..../V At least he served, numbnuts. |
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